Found Deceased TX - Michael Chambers, 70, Hunt County, 10 March 2017 #6

[ocgrad]

I am always tracking dirt and sand on the sidewalk, porch and sometimes in the house. If they brought something in to carry him....say a truck, 4 wheeler, etc. I would think there would be tracks of dirt or sand.

What was it that SM said about the overhead door being blocked or that they were sure no one entered that way? Anyone remember that? It was sort of cryptic.

 

[perfectingpink]

Was the cell phone activity cell tower pings or GPS? (I can have a horrible memory at times.)

 

[ocgrad]

Looking at the blue arrow, could that be a palm print? What I find interesting is the high-velocity drops seem to go out from the area the blue arrow is pointing to, it goes out the entire 360 degrees around it. Would this splatter be caused by a hand heavily smacking down in the middle of the pool of blood?

I don't think it's a palm print. Some of the droplets have that same surface texture. I read that with an internal injury blood can be mixed with air and the drops filled with air bubbles. The fine spray can also be aspirated from an internal injury. Under high pressure it can come out the mouth or nose in a spray but as soon as the pressure is released then it flows as drops and those drops can be mixed with air. But those small drops could also be little splashes from blood dropping into blood. Attached is a picture of the way that can look, the top picture .

 

[ocgrad]

Was the cell phone activity cell tower pings or GPS? (I can have a horrible memory at times.)

I don't think we can be sure. They have mixed terms in the same description. I mean they say things like, we have the phone GPS and tracked it to the pings at 2 mile bridge. 2 different things mixed together. But maybe they have said something I missed or misinterpreted.

 

[mpnola]

I don't think we can be sure. They have mixed terms in the same description. I mean they say things like, we have the phone GPS and tracked it to the pings at 2 mile bridge. 2 different things mixed together. But maybe they have said something I missed or misinterpreted.

Exactly. When they say they "followed the phone going 4.5 mph to the bridge with 2 stops along the way" ( or whatever they said), that is indicative of gps. Otherwise, it would say, there was a ping in the area of his home at 11 am and another near the bridge tower at 238. It wouldn't say it lost signal.in the middle of the brige. To know specifics would be him having his location on. Which many do because so many apps turn it on, unless you manually tell.it not to or turn it off. 100%, my mom has no idea hers is probably on. I, on the other hand, always make sure mine is off because my battery dies too fast. I'm glad his seemed on

 

[zencompass]

Perhaps I am being overly "hopeful" however I think something will soon turn up to solve this.

There are "cracks" in many crimes which eventually can lead to answers.

Whenever that occurs, I recall W.B. Yeats' line in "The Second Coming" :

"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold"

 

[ocgrad]

I am going back through the Hunt County Theft Report interview with SM. He was asked if any of Michael's clothes have been found there tbrough all the underwater searches. SM said nothing at that location. - An interesting reply.

 

[creepcrusher]

I am going back through the Hunt County Theft Report interview with SM. He was asked if any of Michael's clothes have been found there tbrough all the underwater searches. SM said nothing at that location. - An interesting reply.

That’s weird. Does that mean they found his clothes somewhere else? Or is he purposely trying to be confusing?

 

[nannymo]

I


I decided to experiment today and drove 5 miles an hour up my gravel drive. Which was abt what I normally do anyway since I have lots of wildlife that I prefer to get out of my way well in advance. On the blacktop though it was beyond extremely slow but if I was on the gravel shoulder on my DH's four wheeler I would probably creep along at that speed.

Once I arrived at work I polled DH and my dear daughter what mode of transportation would creep along a road going 4-5 miles an hour. DD said golf cart and DH said bicycle. lol so I give on the four wheeler....I'll admit I'm a big ole chicken on those things. Now I would bet I drive my riding lawn mower that fast too. Any way you look at it you would think someone would have noticed any of those things creeping along that slow as out of the ordinary...except for a bicycle.

Or a jogger!

 

[Talullah]

I hope Disappeared discusses the pings or interviews the expert HCSO consulted. I can’t imagine anyone or anything moving 17 miles at 4.5 mph. Wouldn’t an ATV run out of gas? Am I missing something?

 

[ocgrad]

I hope Disappeared discusses the pings or interviews the expert HCSO consulted. I can’t imagine anyone or anything moving 17 miles at 4.5 mph. Wouldn’t an ATV run out of gas? Am I missing something?

I thought that too and I checked. It seems like a 4 gallon tank is fairly normal for a large one and if it is kept in 2 wheel drive it can get 25 or so mpg. So it shouldn't run out. But I'm still stuck with what i said yesterday. When you drive 5 hrs to the bridge then what?

 

[flute4peace]

Please humor me for a moment. If we don't consider HCSO a reliable source (which I don't), how much do we really know about this phone information?

Do we have a ping at time/place #1 and a ping at time/place #2, do some math and come up with the average pace of 4.5mph for 5 hours?

Or do we have an actual GPS trail showing the phone traveling that specific, consistent speed for that amount of time?

Because frankly, the latter just doesn't seem humanly possible.

 

[mpnola]

Please humor me for a moment. If we don't consider HCSO a reliable source (which I don't), how much do we really know about this phone information?

Do we have a ping at time/place #1 and a ping at time/place #2, do some math and come up with the average pace of 4.5mph for 5 hours?

Or do we have an actual GPS trail showing the phone traveling that specific, consistent speed for that amount of time?

Because frankly, the latter just doesn't seem humanly possible.

It seemed like the second because they said he went back the same path he went home and I think they said with a couple of stops. What stops? Where? How long? Did he take his handy dandy bike inside with him? A ping wouldn't allow you to know a spped, at all. Only areas you were in at certain times. Now if you are on the interstate, they can guess your speed because it's fast. You coukdnt guess 4mph. Because you could sit still and drive 50 in 1 minute. It doesn't need to be an average.

 

[creepcrusher]

Please humor me for a moment. If we don't consider HCSO a reliable source (which I don't), how much do we really know about this phone information?

Do we have a ping at time/place #1 and a ping at time/place #2, do some math and come up with the average pace of 4.5mph for 5 hours?

Or do we have an actual GPS trail showing the phone traveling that specific, consistent speed for that amount of time?

Because frankly, the latter just doesn't seem humanly possible.

You are absolutely right. The whole story about the speed could be bogus for all we know. Just like the bike imo.

 

[Talullah]

I’m glad I’m not the only one scratching my head over this! I do hope I’m wrong and that HCSO did consult a ping specialist but it sounds as bogus as can be.
It’d be great if they consulted a specialist to analyze the blood on the shop floor.
OcGrad-yes! What did this person do when they got to the bridge? If it was MC did he toss his phone and keep pedaling? Have they pulled an ATV from the water? It’s hard to imagine someone who just committed a crime would be calm enough to idle that far down a highway to toss a phone.
I know they don’t have to tell us anything but I’d prefer nothing to unbelievable bull.

 

[mpnola]

The only thing that makes me.kind of believe the gps info is because Klein also referenced it in the video interview, right? Like he had the info. Not that he took the word from police.

 

[ocgrad]

I’m glad I’m not the only one scratching my head over this! I do hope I’m wrong and that HCSO did consult a ping specialist but it sounds as bogus as can be.

HCSO did not consult a specialist. The first PI the family hired, a retired Mesquite cop, hired a ping specialist who provided the information 8-9 months after his disappearance. HCSO didn't do anything. It is my understanding that it wouldn't be possible to retrieve GPS data from a cancelled account. I also believe it doesn't take an expert to interpret GPS information. But I will try to find the articles I have read and post them here in case I am misunderstanding. But I highly doubt if HCSO didn't analyze the ping data that they got GPS data unless it was something they asked BC to print out for them. (Snark)

 

[stjrussell]

I don't think we can be sure. They have mixed terms in the same description. I mean they say things like, we have the phone GPS and tracked it to the pings at 2 mile bridge. 2 different things mixed together. But maybe they have said something I missed or misinterpreted.

Correct me if I am wrong, but when MC first went missing, LE had stated that they couldn't get an exact location because his phone was only pinging off of two towers vs three which is used to triangulate an approx. location. So how are they now saying that they can pinpoint where he was on two mile bridge and how fast he was going? Did I miss something?

 

[ocgrad]

HCSO did not consult a specialist. The first PI the family hired, a retired Mesquite cop, hired a ping specialist who provided the information 8-9 months after his disappearance. HCSO didn't do anything. It is my understanding that it wouldn't be possible to retrieve GPS data from a cancelled account. I also believe it doesn't take an expert to interpret GPS information. But I will try to find the articles I have read and post them here in case I am misunderstanding. But I highly doubt if HCSO didn't analyze the ping data that they got GPS data unless it was something they asked BC to print out for them. (Snark)

Of course we know his phone account was deactivated with the carrier which would turn off the location service (it would remain for only 1 day) but we don't know if his gmail account was cancelled. Google keeps a detailed location history via GPS if he was logged in to his gmail account while traveling with the phone and location services was turned on. If his gmail account was deleted all Google says is you have "a short amount of time" to recover or it is permanently deleted. I take that to be hours, I guess maybe a couple of days. Deleting the Google account would take everything down, contacts, calendar, search and location history. Also you can delete just your location history which is permanent but leave the Google account. Im not sure if it would indicate that it was deleted or if it might look as if you never had location service turned on. To review the Google or Apple history does not take an expert.

 

[TanaBanana]

Been following this case since the beginning and just have one question for now. There has been a lot of speculation on the blood from the video. I can’t find where it was confirmed that this was the actual pictures or a reconstructed version. Did I miss something? I don’t see that the crime scene pictures have been released.