TX - Moriah Wilson, 25, prized cyclist, fatally shot before race, Austin, May 2022 #2

[SMK777]

Do we know for a fact that she was at the campground before May 18?

I may have missed something but I thought the unidentified male "camper" didn't provide dates for when he says he saw KA up there nor how long she stayed. He said she was there "right before the whole thing blew up". The arrest warrant was issued at 10:40PM on on May 17 but I don't think her name was linked to the killing in the media before May 20. And even then, it took a day or two to really spread nationally/internationally (earliest reference on CNN, for example, is May 23). The original thread on WS was created on May 21.

And the PI stated someone applied/obtained a NY driver's license in the name of KA's sister on May 17 but I don't believe he stated where in the state, i.e. was it in the NYC area or upstate by the camp. Not to mention it hasn't been confirmed that it actually was KA, and not her sister, who got it. If the sister was working for Camp Haven and planned on living there for awhile, she may have had legitimate reasons for wanting NY state ID.

I can’t locate the articles at the moment ( they’re all posted up thread) but since investigators went to the campgrounds to interview the sister, and said that those grounds were part of the ongoing investigation, it seemed pretty clear to me that KA had been there just as the unnamed camper said, and had been dropped at Newark airport just after the warrant came out, for obvious reasons.

The license is another matter, and may have legitimately been for Christine.

 

[jash]

I'm not sure if this video from Inside Edition was ever posted here. There are some photos and video of KA's sister. (They unfortunately repeat the misinformation regarding the source of the airport video.)

 

[jash]

I can’t locate the articles at the moment ( they’re all posted up thread) but since investigators went to the campgrounds to interview the sister, and said that those grounds were part of the ongoing investigation, it seemed pretty clear to me that KA had been there just as the unnamed camper said, and had been dropped at Newark airport just after the warrant came out, for obvious reasons.

The license is another matter, and may have legitimately been for Christine.

I don't disbelieve that she was there, I was just wondering about the timing and whether it's possible that she was able to make her way to the Catskills from Newark airport. i.e. She flew to LGA and was in the NYC area for four days before being dropped off in Newark where she made her way to Camp Haven to see her sister. Then when news of her being wanted in connection with murder got out, she had to leave the camp (to head for Canada? live in the woods? take her own life?).

I wish the U.S. Marshals would provide an update and confirmation. The last we heard they still didn't know *who* dropped her off in Newark (and they never said what time that occurred).

Question for any lawyers/LE/knowledgeable people on the thread: would KA know that a warrant for her arrest was issued before the media reported it? I'm not sure how that all works. Would police contact her family/friends and disclose that? Or do they keep it quiet initially while trying to locate her?

 

[SMK777]

I don't disbelieve that she was there, I was just wondering about the timing and whether it's possible that she was able to make her way to the Catskills from Newark airport.

I wish the U.S. Marshals would provide an update and confirmation.

So do I.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Unless there’s some stroke of fortune for US Marshals, her being apprehended does not seem likely.

Anyone feel differently?

How would she have established a new identity that's convincing enough to obtain safe housing, a bank account, car, utilities, etc. for the long-haul, all while authorities are looking for her? It's surely possible to start a new life with a fake identity, but I can't wrap my mind around the logistics.

It's so much more complicated than going through a trial and eventually walking free (perhaps even being found "not guilty"), IMO.

But either she's figuring it out or she's living a lifestyle that's not sustainable forever (camping, a friend's couch, etc.) and then I think would eventually be caught.

 

[Cryptic]

How would she have established a new identity that's convincing enough to obtain safe housing, a bank account, car, utilities, etc. for the long-haul, all while authorities are looking for her?

I think fake ID of this level can be obtained pretty easily- though it would depend on who the employer was (Say Ross Perot's old EDS- known for borderline paranoia and an army of private investigators verse the bar off of Times Square).

My guess the start would be a counterfeit driver license. Likewise, the same vendor could have fake social security cards known to "work" ie- be linked to real numbers.

Finding the vendor maybe difficult, for one who is not "in the know". But.... that is where being an attractive women helps as the trait, well, "opens doors" via males who are "in the know" offering enthusiastic help where they would have turned "Joe" down cold.

Once work is obtained, housing and bank accounts would seem to fall into place using the same identity strengthened by the new job- again not EDS, Microsoft, nor a Defense Contractor etc.

Fake ID of the level that can pass police scrutiny, let alone airport security is probably another matter entirely.

 

[SMK777]

How would she have established a new identity that's convincing enough to obtain safe housing, a bank account, car, utilities, etc. for the long-haul, all while authorities are looking for her? It's surely possible to start a new life with a fake identity, but I can't wrap my mind around the logistics.

It's so much more complicated than going through a trial and eventually walking free (perhaps even being found "not guilty"), IMO.

But either she's figuring it out or she's living a lifestyle that's not sustainable forever (camping, a friend's couch, etc.) and then I think would eventually be caught.

All true. But she may feel or know that the evidence would go against her in a trial….why else would she keep running?

As far as sleeping on a friend’s couch, if they know she’s a fugitive with a murder warrant, they are not likely to want to risk felony charges and prison time for aiding and abetting.

 

[SMK777]

But.... that is where being an attractive women helps as the trait, well, "opens doors" via males offering enthusiastic help where they would have turned "Joe" down cold.

She definitely has an advantage there. And that could be a big help also in being hidden away altogether.

 

[SMK777]

I think fake ID of this level can be obtained pretty easily- though it would depend on who the employer was (Say Ross Perot's old EDS- known for borderline paranoia and an army of private investigators verse the bar off of Times Square).

My guess the start would be a counterfeit driver license. Likewise, the same vendor could have fake social security cards known to "work" ie- be linked to real numbers.

Finding the vendor maybe difficult, for one who is not "in the know". But.... that is where being an attractive women helps as the trait, well, "opens doors" via males who are "in the know" offering enthusiastic help where they would have turned "Joe" down cold.

Once work is obtained, housing and bank accounts would seem to fall into place using the same identity strengthened by the new job- again not EDS, Microsoft, nor a Defense Contractor etc.

Fake ID of the level that can pass police scrutiny, let alone airport security is probably another matter entirely.

True. In the end, it seems silly, because she could have done all of this and more, legally and openly, able to see her sister and father, without a murder warrant and an unlawful flight bulletin out on her — simply by leaving CS.

 

[SteveP]

I will probably get flamed for saying this, and everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I believe the thought that KA could readily obtain all of these top-grade fake forms of identification that are so good that she could just completely reinvent herself under a new name, and live the quality of life that she had before allegedly murdering MW, and going on the lam, is almost preposterous. She didn't go into witness protection, she is hiding, albeit successfully so far, from one of the elite law enforcement agencies in the USA, who have elevated her status to a major case. It isn't like she is being tracked by Sheriff Andy and Deputy Fife. I know that it seems discouraging that she is still at-large, and there has not been another update from LE, but that is not necessarily bad. It could mean that they are making progress in the search for her, and do not wish to spook her into further flight by announcing as much. I believe she is still alive and well, and if she has fled the country, it was likely to Canada, as I do not believe she successfully boarded an international flight using a fake ID, or someone else's ID, in this post 9/11 world. If she is in Canada, I believe she will eventually be found and turned over to authorities, but I think she is likely still somewhere in NY, and I still believe she will be apprehended and successfully prosecuted. JMO

 

[SMK777]

I will probably get flamed for saying this, and everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I believe the thought that KA could readily obtain all of these top-grade fake forms of identification that are so good that she could just completely reinvent herself under a new name, and live the quality of life that she had before allegedly murdering MW, and going on the lam, is almost preposterous. She didn't go into witness protection, she is hiding, albeit successfully so far, from one of the elite law enforcement agencies in the USA, who have elevated her status to a major case. It isn't like she is being tracked by Sheriff Andy and Deputy Fife. I know that it seems discouraging that she is still at-large, and there has not been another update from LE, but that is not necessarily bad. It could mean that they are making progress in the search for her, and do not wish to spook her into further flight by announcing as much. I believe she is still alive and well, and if she has fled the country, it was likely to Canada, as I do not believe she successfully boarded an international flight using a fake ID, or someone else's ID, in this post 9/11 world. If she is in Canada, I believe she will eventually be found and turned over to authorities, but I think she is likely still somewhere in NY, and I still believe she will be apprehended and successfully prosecuted. JMO

Hopefully you will be proven right in the near future.

 

[di anna]

There are several "Haven" websites but I had a difficult time deciding which one pertains to the campground in New York.
Anyone else try this? One in particular focuses on holistic health. Reiki, Yoga, etc. But it was difficult for me to discern which might be the specific website related to this campground.

 

[SMK777]

There are several "Haven" websites but I had a difficult time deciding which one pertains to the campground in New York.
Anyone else try this? One in particular focuses on holistic health. Reiki, Yoga, etc. But it was difficult for me to discern which might be the specific website related to this campground.

Its proper name is ‘Haven for Humanity’ in Livingston Manor, Sullivan County, New York.

Haven Wholistic Wellness

Get back control of your health for life.

haven.us.org

 

[SMK777]

I will probably get flamed for saying this, and everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I believe the thought that KA could readily obtain all of these top-grade fake forms of identification that are so good that she could just completely reinvent herself under a new name, and live the quality of life that she had before allegedly murdering MW, and going on the lam, is almost preposterous. She didn't go into witness protection, she is hiding, albeit successfully so far, from one of the elite law enforcement agencies in the USA, who have elevated her status to a major case. It isn't like she is being tracked by Sheriff Andy and Deputy Fife. I know that it seems discouraging that she is still at-large, and there has not been another update from LE, but that is not necessarily bad. It could mean that they are making progress in the search for her, and do not wish to spook her into further flight by announcing as much. I believe she is still alive and well, and if she has fled the country, it was likely to Canada, as I do not believe she successfully boarded an international flight using a fake ID, or someone else's ID, in this post 9/11 world. If she is in Canada, I believe she will eventually be found and turned over to authorities, but I think she is likely still somewhere in NY, and I still believe she will be apprehended and successfully prosecuted. JMO

One thing, they do say it’s far easier today than in the past to obtain a false passport, due to digital technology and the dark web.

Are you sure her being in dire straits wouldn’t make her attempt this?

Fraud Magazine

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Revealed: how fake passports allow IS members to enter Europe and US

Seller whose passports have been used by those who illegally crossed Syrian border says: ‘it is not my job to see who is bad’

www.theguardian.com

 

[SteveP]

One thing, they do say it’s far easier today than in the past to obtain a false passport, due to digital technology and the dark web.

Are you sure her being in dire straits wouldn’t make her attempt this?

Fraud Magazine

Fraud Magazine® is a digital publication delivering timely and insightful information on the latest trends, tools and techniques in the anti-fraud profession.

www.fraud-magazine.com

Revealed: how fake passports allow IS members to enter Europe and US

Seller whose passports have been used by those who illegally crossed Syrian border says: ‘it is not my job to see who is bad’

www.theguardian.com

Oh she may attempt it, I just don't think she would be successful. JMO

 

[SMK777]

Oh she may attempt it, I just don't think she would be successful. JMO

Ok, not to belabor the point, but what about their saying the digital technology and dark web have made it easier, and all sorts of criminals and terrorists have successfully used them? Just trying to get you to convince me, lol

 

[SteveP]

Ok, not to belabor the point, but what about their saying the digital technology and dark web have made it easier, and all sorts of criminals and terrorists have successfully used them? Just trying to get you to convince me, lol

I am not going to convince anyone that believes otherwise, but I just don't see KA as the type person who knows her way around the dark web, nor is she a career criminal, so probably doesn't think like one. I think most of what she has done since the murder has been done on the fly, while constantly looking over her shoulder.

 

[Curious_in_NC]

I'm talking about MW in particular who was on the Specialized payroll as a Demand Planner. It's also not just a binary choice between a 5 star hotel or staying with someone for free, like there's lesser hotels. I do think there's more to the story and I hope it comes out, like she could have stayed at the Budget Inn rather than it just being a choice of something like the Four Seasons or her friends...maybe she thought it was perhaps it was safer at a private residence like maybe her friend is armed and could have defended her if an attack came when her friend was there while she would be unarmed and alone at a hotel, etc with it being for reasons besides financial.

This article has more details. She was staying at the house to be with old friends from Vermont. A video shoot planned for her sponsor before the race may have been in or near Austin. There's many reasons other than CS for her staying where she did in Austin rather than going straight to Hico or staying at a hotel.

Moriah Wilson: The Real Story - Vermont Sports Magazine

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vtsports.com

Moriah had recently made the decision to leave her job with Specialized and devote herself full-time to cycling. “She’d moved all her things back to Vermont and had this idea that she’d like to start a gathering place for cyclists, like the Meteor, with good local food, a place where a community could gather,” said Karen.

Boswell had planned to stay at the same house where Moriah was staying in Austin, owned by a friend with ties to the Northeast Kingdom, but last minute plans changed. He had also been planning to do a video shoot with her in Texas for Wahoo Fitness, her sponsor.

 

[SMK777]

I am not going to convince anyone that believes otherwise, but I just don't see KA as the type person who knows her way around the dark web, nor is she a career criminal, so probably doesn't think like one. I think most of what she has done since the murder has been done on the fly, while constantly looking over her shoulder.

Thanks for your input. It definitely helps balance my thinking on this issue. Much appreciated.

 

[WingsOverTX]

I will probably get flamed for saying this, and everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I believe the thought that KA could readily obtain all of these top-grade fake forms of identification that are so good that she could just completely reinvent herself under a new name, and live the quality of life that she had before allegedly murdering MW, and going on the lam, is almost preposterous. She didn't go into witness protection, she is hiding, albeit successfully so far, from one of the elite law enforcement agencies in the USA, who have elevated her status to a major case. It isn't like she is being tracked by Sheriff Andy and Deputy Fife. I know that it seems discouraging that she is still at-large, and there has not been another update from LE, but that is not necessarily bad. It could mean that they are making progress in the search for her, and do not wish to spook her into further flight by announcing as much. I believe she is still alive and well, and if she has fled the country, it was likely to Canada, as I do not believe she successfully boarded an international flight using a fake ID, or someone else's ID, in this post 9/11 world. If she is in Canada, I believe she will eventually be found and turned over to authorities, but I think she is likely still somewhere in NY, and I still believe she will be apprehended and successfully prosecuted. JMO

Exactly. Smart, sure. A mastermind? No or she wouldn't have ever pulled the trigger (if indeed she did).
JMO