TX - Multiple Dallas Police Officers shot during downtown protest, 7/7/16

[GeeEm]

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/07/08/graphic-video-captures-deadly-attack-on-police-in-dallas

[video=youtube;-23nlUpUte0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23nlUpUte0[/video]

That video makes me angry and watching the perpetrator move, very well planned with experience. JMO

We need to stop hating on people and start showing love and that begins at home.

RIP to the victims 🌹

I'm so tired of saying RIP, the world is full of evil people 😥

God Bless America 🇺🇸

 

[rob]

It means black lives matter too, not only black lives matter.

That's just not the perception from the other side.

 

[dotr]

[/B]

Rbbm

I know BLM can't control who supports them and fights for there cause but IMO they are a hate group. Listen to some of their chants and actions at some rallies. They have chapters all over the country, take a look at the leaders of those chapters and read their social medias.

Ot/related

Toronto was enjoying the very pleasant and protective company of LEO last week at the very large, fun and inclusive Pride Parade, when it was stopped by BLM.
Smoke was blown into the crowds and the parade was not allowed to be continued until the Pride organizers signed a list of their demands, in particular no more police presence at future parades. Considering the fear many had after the Pulse night club shootings, the interruption of the parade caused many to feel afraid.. Stuff like that does not win any respect, and deepens or causes divide, imo.speculation.


http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Canada/2016/07/07/22649970.html

The foggy logic of Black Lives Matter

The ones who stupidly threw smoke bombs in a parade of hundreds of thousands of people.

For safety’s sake, Chantelois had to sign.

BLM’s anger towards everyone except themselves is creating divisions in this city that we thought had been healed.

No one’s denying this city’s had problems with the black and gay community in the past. But attitudes have changed. And I’m one who’s views have changed over the years.

We can’t always be looking in the rear-view mirror and fighting old battles.

Just when you think there’s reconciliation, another rift opens. I thought the whole idea behind Pride was to demonstrate the exuberance and love of the gay community and to educate the great unwashed

 

[bluesneakers]

That's just not the perception from the other side.

And that's a problem, and too many people come to the conclusion based only on the name of the movement. The perception people have isn't the reality or the intention of BLM, but it supports their own beliefs and is an attempt, imo, to keep us all at status quo.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Anyone can do anything and say they're part of BLM. It's not like you need a membership card.

Yes, and like in the Civil Rights Movement, lives were lost in the most tragic ways. Like the CRM, BLM has significant voices on all sides that can lend temperance. I am hoping that happens not to diminish the very critical issues at hand but to allow some kind of societal understanding and solution to begin to emerge.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Michael Smith

Identified by WFAA as one of the officers killed in Dallas.

Michael Smith, 55. Smith's brother-in-law called him an exceptional father to two young girls. He served as an Army Ranger and went on to attend the Lamar Institute of Technology.

His brother-in-law said he recently had a talk with Smith about retirement, but said the officer was more concerned about his fellow officers and remained on the force.

http://www.wfaa.com/mb/news/crime/n...894?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[ninij9]

Ot/related

Toronto was enjoying the very pleasant and protective company of LEO last week at the very large, fun and inclusive Pride Parade, when it was stopped by BLM.
Smoke was blown into the crowds and the parade was not allowed to be continued until the Pride organizers signed a list of their demands, in particular no more police presence at future parades. Considering the fear many had after the Pulse night club shootings, the interruption of the parade caused many to feel afraid.. Stuff like that does not win any respect, and deepens or causes divide, imo.speculation.


http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Canada/2016/07/07/22649970.html

The foggy logic of Black Lives Matter

Wow. They are nuts.

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[SophieRose]

Repectfully, just asking.

If there were a mass shooting at a GM factory, and employees wanted to pay respects etc, I do not think their employeer would let them be on the payroll while doing so.

Do we know if all the cops standing there while waiting for the cars to come out of hospital were being paid for that? Are all the cops coming to the cop car to put flowers, are they being paid while they are doing that?

If half of the force is suppossed to be protecting a huge area, and are leaving there areas to place flowers 2 districts over, and something happens on their beat, that is a problem IMO.

Or are they just in their outfits while they are doing these personal things, before or after starting their paid shifts to protect areas??

Private sector will not pay staff to attend to personal things--just wonder if taxpayers are paying for all this. In overtime??

Just wondering................

Here's an article on SF Bay Area LE attending out-of-state funerals (specifically the funerals of the two NY LE killed in Dec 2014) and who should foot the bill.

http://www.mercurynews.com/my-town/ci_28132932/should-taxpayers-foot-bill-send-cops-out-state

Information provided by other Bay Area police agencies showed:

• Oakland sent four officers to one or the other New York funerals, using a total of 85 work hours between them, calculated at $4,587.60. Oakland also paid $5,357.74 for airfare, lodging and meals.

• San Jose provided a total of 100 hours paid release time for three officers, calculated at $4,629.68, to attend one or the other funeral, and additionally paid $6,078.30 for airfare, food, lodging and a luggage fee.

• Twelve San Francisco officers, including a captain and an officer who each attended both funerals, used a total of 287 regular staff hours the department computed at $17,423.49. JetBlue provided free flights, and the San Francisco Police Officers Association and Asian Peace Officers Association helped pay expenses.

• Two Richmond officers and one sergeant attended one or the other New York funeral at a total cost of $3,576.40 in staff time; the city additionally chipped in $400 for lodging, with the Richmond Police Officers Association picking up the rest of the tab for travel and hotel accommodations.

• Two Concord officers attended Ramos' funeral and 12 attended Liu's, but none used work time; the city spent $2,600 total on hotel and food for four officers.

• Two Fremont police officers attended each of the two funerals on days off. Fremont paid $2,788.51 for airfare, hotel and ground transportation.

• The San Mateo County Sheriff's Office computed its expenses at $4,734.80, including work time of two deputies, in connection with Liu's funeral. Two other deputies attended on their own time. The total includes a per diem for food and lodging. JetBlue provided transport.

 

[abr]

I do not agree with the violence. But I can see why some are totally fed up with feeling like they are not comsidered to be human beings- black people. I imagine it gets to you after awhile. Knowing that your life does not matter.

When you have nothing, you have nothing to lose. I pray we can go a different direction.

The snarky racist views towards people of color is going to kill us all.

YUCK, just YUCK.

 

[Hope4More]

My view of the majority of the people who turn up for marches for Black Lives Matter are men and women who choose to express themselves
at peaceful marches.

Last night the evil-minded person(s) not only took away lives of police officers who were making it possible for the protesters to march safely, but
also aimed hatred at people who want to protest peacefully.

Praying for peace and hope in Dallas today. Praying for people to come together in compassion.

Media reports I've read say he was angry WITH BLM. I thought that was just awkward phrasing at first, but hearing he identified as a black nationalist, it might be entirely accurate.

Black movements in the 1960's diverged then splintered over similiar differences in tactics, and ultimately, in goals.

Non-violence (MLK) versus black nationalists (Malcolm X, Black Panthers). Incremental political, legal, and social change versus uncompromising and even armed resistance.

Neither side had much tolerance for the other, each thinking their own way was the only way.

Kind of a universal dilemma facing the powerless who want to make things different.

 

[ninij9]

RIP officer Michael Smith. Thank you for your service. 💝

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[GeeEm]

Sending prayers of healing and hope to the families of the victims from last night's shootings. They were there to protect the protesters so that
they could have a peaceful march.

I am praying that the symbol of those bullets be used to bring people together and not tear them apart.

Praying for peace. I pray that this hateful act be turned into something else - turn towards one another not against one another.

I pray that people can come together and work together towards peace by turning this act of hate into an act of compassion towards each other.

Beautifully written 😢

Sending out my love for all of Dallas, victims, families, LE, all races(however we are one of the same).

And to the wonderful people here at Websleuths, we are family too. 🇺🇸

 

[rob]

And that's a problem, and too many people come to the conclusion based only on the name of the movement. The perception people have isn't the reality or the intention of BLM, but it supports their own beliefs and is an attempt, imo, to keep us all at status quo.

Truly, my problem is not with the name. Maybe I just read too much news articles. There is some bad things that come out of that group. Yeah, I know that no one person controls the whole group, but many seem to use it as a excuse. As in:black lives matter, I hate whites.

And just so you know, I always look forward to reading your posts here. I really think you are very sincere in what you say.
People like to say we need a dialog on race and I agree, I just happen to think that I'm not allowed to dialog because of my race.
Maybe we are all going in the right direction, just by being here talking about the whole thing.
MOO

 

[Irish_Eyes]

And that's a problem, and too many people come to the conclusion based only on the name of the movement. The perception people have isn't the reality or the intention of BLM, but it supports their own beliefs and is an attempt, imo, to keep us all at status quo.

BLM may want to change some harmful status quos, while upholding others. Maybe this will change that.

 

[Hope4More]

That's just not the perception from the other side.

I would think everyone can be on the same side of rejecting the killing of innocents, be they blue or black or white or brown.

 

[bluesneakers]

I worry that giving people a space for anger and rage leads to more violence and deeper seeds of hatred.

Not being able to express oneself is a worse idea, imo. People need to express themselves and the 1st Amendment is an important part of our culture and identity.

 

[Viper]

Yes, and like in the Civil Rights Movement, lives were lost in the most tragic ways. Like the CRM, BLM has significant voices on all sides that can lend temperance. I am hoping that happens not to diminish the very critical issues at hand but to allow some kind of societal understanding and solution to begin to emerge.

BLM represents that it is about stopping cops from killing blacks. Here is the solution: 1. Don't resist arrest 2. Don't go for your firearm or other weapon when a police officer is speaking to you, unless he instructs you to do so. Did I miss anything? Cops are not paid to die at work. BLM should be speaking to black men about how to conduct themselves when in the presence of a police officer, as that seems to be the cause of these black men's deaths.

 

[scmom]

How anyone could say that BLM is peaceful while they're chanting slogans like P**s in a blanket, Fry em like bacon or What do we want, De*d co**s, when do we want it, Now, I don't understand.
Now if it's meant that the crowd is not physically attacking LE, that's true, but they are surely not spouting polite rhetoric.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/leaders-black-lives-matter-condemn-violence-dallas-40435135

The Black Lives Matter group called the Dallas attack "the result of the actions of a lone gunman."

"To assign the actions of one person to an entire movement is dangerous and irresponsible. We continue our efforts to bring about a better world for all of us," the group said in a statement.


bbm, THIS^^^ The same thing should be equally applied to the police, don't blame them all for the bad deeds of one officer's actions.

jmo

 

[bluesneakers]

BLM represents that it is about stopping cops from killing blacks. Here is the solution: 1. Don't resist arrest 2. Don't go for your firearm or other weapon when a police officer is speaking to you, unless he instructs you to do so. Did I miss anything? Cops are not paid to die at work. BLM should be speaking to black men about how to conduct themselves when in the presence of a police officer, as that seems to be the cause of these black men's deaths.

Resisting arrest is not a capital crime, neither is being disrespectful, and we've seen incidents where people have been shot by police without provocation. Some LEO actually support BLM, believe it or not.

But maybe this isn't the thread for that particular discussion.