TX - Multiple Dallas Police Officers shot during downtown protest, 7/7/16

[DexterMorgan]

We all know there are five funerals coming.

We all know it is going to be 325 police cars, with lights on.

We all know there are going to be 978 cops at the funeral.

We all know the area is stressed.

Lets just hope nothing serious happens during any of these of funerals, when they need cops and cars that are at five funerals this week.

The only thing I can conclude that there are going to have to be vast areas of the area, that are not covered during this --cops and cars are at funerals

Very dangeroues IMO

I think most of the cops will arrive from throughout the United States.

All rookies may have to work that day as the senior officers may have more time in. Idk

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Forgive me if I'm taking ^ post too literally by answering what may be a rhetorical Q.

IIUC, he was in the US Army & would have received some firearms training there (also in the Reserves, where he may have received more training and/or time shooting?) Then civilian range time, more range time, more range time. <--- re the nitty-gritty shooting aspect. A quick google search shows half a dozen gun ranges within ~10 miles of Mesquite. Here's a link to a training session at one a few miles further out: http://www.fusiongunrange.com/tactical-carbine.html
"....learning proper technique for moving & shooting, engaging multiple contacts, tactical reloading, weapons manipulation and more..."your
carbine skills to the next level learning proper technique for moving and shooting, engaging multiple contacts,
As to how someone could teach self to plan something like this? Well, personally I could not envision doing this in any way, shape, or form.

There is an MSM link posted upthread that he did train at a local facility. A poster here trained at that same facility and found it very helpful and she was shocked that someone would use the information they learned there for nefarious purposes. (Just in case you don't want to read through 30 threads to find it, lol.)

 

[animlzrule]

When this just happened I went to Twitter for Live Reports, omg... the ugly-ness...
I have relatives in SA (southamerica) country minority, we just do not behave like this!
It's gross!
My husband is family with a famous Argentina person, how does this make anything better??

BBM. Of course, it doesn't. This guy was representing only himself. And not only did police officers die, he has now taken attention off of the legitimate BLM movement and from the press, which was starting to finally put some relentless pressure on authorities and LE to examine their practices. He singlehandedly wiped out any small gains that were being made. It's crazy making.

 

[animlzrule]

I don't see reflexive defensivism from people who support the police. Mostly because the people here who do largely DON'T support police misconduct, and think cases should be decided on the facts of each individual case. I've said it before and I'll say it again 99.9% of all officers are not defined by the behavior of .01%. I think as it applies to specific cases I have at times seen reflexive defensiveness towards LE, and I'm not speaking about WS specifically but about the discussion in all of society. I have also seen reflexive holding on to unsupportable beliefs about segments of society including LE in the face of facts that suggest more nuance is called for.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...nson-decorated-army-veteran-article-1.2704275

Interesting.

From your article it mentions that his step-mother Is White!!

I wonder what kind of relationship he had with her if he wanted to kill white people?

IMOO.

I think he wanted to kill white people cause he had been watching white people in power , killing black people.

I do not think he has wanted to kill "white" people for a long peroid of his life, did how he handle his being over video video after video watching white cops kill black people I assume so.....

we need to IMO this did not happen in a vacuum

 

[ninij9]

Off topic but does anyone know how many posts I've typed and deleted today? I know I can't be the only one.[/QUO

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[Inthedetails]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...nson-decorated-army-veteran-article-1.2704275

"Cops targeted in attacks in several states"

Is this sensationalism in the press or people feeling free to strike out at officers?

IDK

 

[CARIIS]

It's complicated, isn't it? Stealing underwear and being "off" doesn't necessarily mean he was a ticking time bomb. We know in hindsight that is the case, of course. But these statements don't scream "cop killer" to me.

Imo he became a cop killer cause he saw , again, in a short peroid of time, two cops , far apart, murder two people.

Can you imagine, being afraid if your tailout is out you could end up dead .

On the video, the cop was obviouly not stable and a person without a tail light , in braod daylight is dead

that is the reality here IMO

Do I condone last night , of course not , but there is cause and effect.

Confident last night would not have occurred if the two people had not been killed by two white public servants


jmo

 

[rosemadderlake]

I will say this, I always support cops. But I have been guilty of thinking to myself "you're a real hero" when getting a speeding ticket....I think from now on I will keep some thank you cards with Starbucks gift cards in my car to give them for all they do. Watching them run/drive in to an area where someone has a vantage point to rain bullets on them from, to try and end the threat...just no words. These are heroes and angels among us. I am really scared for these men and women. If it was my spouse I would be begging them to quit. What will happen if this because something that keeps happening? Will we have enough people wanting to be cops? And I will say, our friends are ok, but that joy is fleeting because I know someone else is carrying a burden of grief.

^^^ Poignant, moving, thoughts and questions to remember ^^^


:grouphug:

 

[Inthedetails]

Imo he became a cop killer cause he saw , again, in a short peroid of time, two cops , far apart, murder two people.

Can you imagine, being afraid if your tailout is out you could end up dead .

On the video, the cop was obviouly not stable and a person without a tail light , in braod daylight is dead

that is the reality here IMO

Do I condone last night , of course not , but there is cause and effect.

Confident last night would not have occurred if the two people had not been killed by two white public servants


jmo

I hear what you're saying, but my post was about what former colleges thought about him before the incident happened.

 

[AliceInPain]

[I stand with my husband.
AWFUL news.
I am so sorry for the LE who died,

 

[Elley Mae]

Gunman joined Facebook groups that referred to the Black Panther Party

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na...acebook-groups-that-1468001887-htmlstory.html

 

[SCHMAE]

I think I found it.

http://www.wfaa.com/mb/news/crime/h...395?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

This is a good one too. The one today was outdoors and they were all very hot and sweaty. I'll try to find it . TY

ETA Found it. Sorry everyone for looking because I'm too distracted to do it right.
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/chief-brown-dallas-is-a-city-that-loves/267859215

 

[Elley Mae]

I think this is it.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/chief-brown-dallas-is-a-city-that-loves/267859215

 

[CARIIS]

What would be wonderful, is if some of the empathy, benefit of the doubt, protection and understanding which has been extended historically to LE would start to be extended to POC. The police always reap these benefits, to the detriment of POC. I'm not saying not to empathize with police, rather, we should recognize that the unequivocal support shown to LE has resulted in these currently hostile, distrustful times. This situation has not arisen out of a vacuum. BLM was born out of the discrepancy of LE activities towards POC vs. whites. Criticism of police does not equal being "anti-police". That people are so reflexively defensive says some are desperate to hold on to the status quo in this country. It's not working out very well. Maybe it's time for a change.

TY wonderful post- would not have happened if a white person had a tail light out in the middle of the day. That is just the reality IMO.....

 

[LonghornSpeakEasy]

We all know there are five funerals coming.

We all know it is going to be 325 police cars, with lights on.

We all know there are going to be 978 cops at the funeral.

We all know the area is stressed.

Lets just hope nothing serious happens during any of these of funerals, when they need cops and cars that are at five funerals this week.

The only thing I can conclude that there are going to have to be vast areas of the area, that are not covered during this --cops and cars are at funerals

Very dangeroues IMO

You can quit worrying about areas being covered or who's paying for what. Officers from other areas cover territory so the involved officers can attend funerals. Locally the Travis County Sheriff's office volunteered to cover shifts for Austin PD when one of their officers was laid to rest.

 

[CARIIS]

His brother called LE and said he was with his brother and they were not involved with the shooting.

Last night look at all the time and energy wasted on this - if it was not legal for him to walk around in public with machine gun ................

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I think he wanted to kill white people cause he had been watching white people in power , killing black people.

I do not think he has wanted to kill "white" people for a long peroid of his life, did how he handle his being over video video after video watching white cops kill black people I assume so.....

we need to IMO this did not happen in a vacuum

If he was radicalized to believe that white people are targeting and killing black people than perhaps that is how he justified his actions. We know from the MSM links earlier in the thread that his FB liked groups that promoted hatred towards white people, and it was inferred that his memberships in those groups predated recent events.

Of the two cases people have been saying may have offered him an excuse to hate white people one of the officers who shot wasn't even white. The deceased man's girlfriend described him as Chinese. So that seems like an even weaker reason to think that is what motivate him.

 

[CARIIS]

I will say this, I always support cops. But I have been guilty of thinking to myself "you're a real hero" when getting a speeding ticket....I think from now on I will keep some thank you cards with Starbucks gift cards in my car to give them for all they do. Watching them run/drive in to an area where someone has a vantage point to rain bullets on them from, to try and end the threat...just no words. These are heroes and angels among us. I am really scared for these men and women. If it was my spouse I would be begging them to quit. What will happen if this because something that keeps happening? Will we have enough people wanting to be cops? And I will say, our friends are ok, but that joy is fleeting because I know someone else is carrying a burden of grief.

Context and history - if cops quit shooting AA that are not be threatening this will cool down casue / effect

BLM did not arise in a vacuum - it exists cause there was , night after night, watching cops kill AA males.....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

LE need training but I posted the comments from the chief in St. Anthony MN which were not amenable to training.

Homeland Security should be used to train LE in more positive methods. The problems in America are in the country itself, mainly. St. Anthony is not large.

Homeland Security cant even do their jobs at protecting our airports. The TSA (HS) when tested for efficiency in detecting weapons such as bombs, firearms, knifes etc have a dismal failure rate of 95%. I think our trained officers, who usually go to a police academy for 12 weeks.(like the military in boot camps) are trained by FBI agents or someone who is retired FBI or seasoned police officers. I think they are trained far better than those in Homeland Security. Small communities in each state goes to a much larger city for their police training. I think those academy instructors could possibly train HS how to be properly trained.

I really think that is an overreaction. Our officers are already very well trained. We see that when tragedies strike whether they are the victims themselves or whether it is someone else. We have over 800 thousand trained police officers in our country. Only a miniscule amount of them windup shooting an innocent person. Most of them never draw their weapon during the entire time they are a police officer much less shoot someone and kill them.

We have to remember also that just because cops of all races shoots someone most of them are ruled as justifiable homicides just like the DOJ ruled Mike Brown's death was a justified shooting when he assaulted and attacked Officer Wilson. Just like this one and Johnson's death will be ruled justifiable. To lump them all together skews the facts, imo. That is what is wrong now with some in our society with many who want to blame ALL cops for what a tiny amount of cops do. This case is a perfect example. These fine officers had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the two shootings of the black male victims that happened this week. Yet, they who were totally innocent, paid the ultimate price for it with their lives with others being wounded. This case shows all too well what racist hatred can do to totally innocent people just because of the color of their skin. Extreme violence and hatred never solves anything and always makes things far worse.

And more cops and whites are already being targeted than just in Dallas. In the past two days a man was shooting at people as they traveled on the road in their vehicles including shooting a police officer who was minding his own business. He also killed an innocent woman. The defendant said he did it because he is mad at white cops about the two deaths of the black men this week by cops. Then another man, yesterday or today, pretended he needed the police's help by calling 911 and when the officer arrived to assist him he was ambushed. Both the cop and defendant were wounded but expected to make it. So how does all of these murders and attempted murders help their cause? I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see copycat murderers targeting the white police officers somewhere in our nation again in the very near future.......maybe even this weekend. The police are under siege, imo. Already the deaths of officers are way up from this same time last year. It will continue to rise, imo. The FBI stated last year almost 50K police officers were assaulted/attacked with some of the police officers having life long sustaining injuries that has altered their lives dramatically. That shows the police are the ones being attacked viciously much more often than them attacking others.

What cops really need is support and a special 'thank you' and appreciation for what all they do to protect their communities. ALL shouldn't be judged by anyone based on what very few of them do. That flawed thinking has to stop or we are going to have more and more fallen white officers being murdered senselessly to appease the hate some have in their hearts.

It is the police on a daily basis who has to deal with the worst criminal elements in our society. They go into places most of society wouldn't dare enter. It shows our police officers are very well trained and do a fantastic job of protecting their communities. We cant lump the vast majority of good police officers in with the tiny minority who turnout bad. There will be and are some bad people in every profession. It isn't about more training and it wont change the cops who windup killing innocent people. The minority bad officers do what they do, not because of lack of training ...but because they shouldn't have been police officers in the first place, and fell through the cracks just like other professions have had the same problems.

99.99% of police officers do their jobs with honor and dedication to their communities putting their lives on the line everyday never knowing if they will return home. Most officers do just like the Dallas police officers did and run toward danger in order to save and protect innocent others and trying to save their fellow officers.

Police shootings both justifiable and non-justifiable kill less people than mass shooters do every year. Police shootings aren't the main problem we have when it comes to homicides. So many individuals are murdering people on a daily basis in so many big inner cities in our nation where homicides are soaring again in the last two years. If that epidemic could be resolved or even worked on in order to bring the loss of deaths down.... the homicide rate would plummet in our country. It may even save lives of those who may windup being shot by cops during a confrontation (shoot out) with them.