Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3

[California Sunset]

If all of them reported him, multiple times, MAYBE someone would have noticed and done something.

Someone did notice something. He couldn't have harassed (in one way or another) anyone without someone seeing, hearing something. Even if the person was someone he thought of as 'on his side.' He didn't exist in a vacuum. He couldn't have only caused problems with only VG, if he did harass her. I'm not sure he harassed her, but he did something to someone. Statistically speaking, this guy had a record somewhere. If not a record, then a history.
I was under the impression that had already come to light. I could be mistaken. But I had someone point something out to me about another case. I learned in several of my courses that the people that commit these types of crimes do not usually just kill someone out of the blue. They commit other crimes and work their way up to this.

 

[California Sunset]

He attempted to start one. Nearly every article states the same thing - CID caught on and shut it down before he could actually do it.

Are you saying AR attempted to start a prostitution ring? I've missed a lot in the last few days, so, I didn't know this. If that doesn't count as criminal behavior, I'm at a loss for words.

 

[kaen]

"A Pentagon survey released last year shows the number of sexual assaults increased in 2018 to 20,500, a result that led Pentagon officials to review and make changes to sexual assault prevention efforts. The Pentagon also reported in 2019 that 1,021 formal sexual harassment complaints had been submitted -- a 10% increase from the previous year.

Benavides says it’s not just Latin women at risk.

“We know that women experience a significant number of harassment, of sexual assault, of rape in the military. We also know that men are targeted, but disproportionately it is women who unfortunately are experiencing this,” she said. “I want to recognize that they are trying to take steps with the SHARP program. And what I do see is the failure in preventative measures…These are more reactive programs." ~Vanessa Guillen’s death shines light on military’s handling of sex assault and harassment

I believe that the most salient issue that Vanessa Guillen faced in regard to harassment is highlighted in the statement above. "These (referring to SHARP) are more reactive programs." No person should be in a situation that requires action/reaction if there is no preventative measures taken. If Vanessa was facing harassment on a regular basis (and I believe she was) that is a burden that potentially leaves her with few allies (male and female). All soldiers need to be trained in identifying and addressing sexual harassment as well as any other form of harassment. Higher ups need to understand their responsibilities and be pro-active about their expectations under their command. I don't think it is right or ethical to place 18, 19, 20 year olds in a situation without arming them all with the knowledge of what is expected and the accepted standard of behavior. Explicit training should be part of the program for all--imagine if Vanessa had experienced a training, heard her peers and trainers affirm their willingness to be an ally, would she have waited? Would she have gone to these allies for support? if her killer was harassing her, might she have gotten support earlier? If her killer witnessed a culture of harassment and decided that he was going to harass her, would he have been deterred by others facing consequences? Time for the military to create an overhaul to their training and systems. Too many are reporting that the systems in place are not effective and the data on the increase of incidents may not just be based on the the military doing a good job but rather the lack of allies and accountability are causing many more to be silent. JMHO.

 

[PatLaurel]

Vanessa Guillén's mother speaks for the first time: "I don't really know how they killed her".

"“Arrancaron un pedazo de mí, lo más bello, lo más maravilloso, que es mi niña, cruelmente, no sé en realidad cómo me la mataron, porque nadie me quiere decir, porque dicen que estoy mala”, señaló en entrevista con Univision."

"Con respecto a las investigaciones, Gloria Guillén confesó que un soldado de la base dio mucha información para el caso, pero le dijo “yo no puedo hablar porque me matan, o me desaparecen a mi familia. Pero usted sí, porque no le pueden hacer daño.”"


https://www.univision.com/noticias/...-guillen-no-se-en-realidad-como-me-la-mataron


"They ripped away a piece of me, the most beautiful, the most wonderful, which is my girl, cruelly, I don't really know how they killed her, because nobody wants to tell me, because they say i'm not well, "she said in an interview with Univision."

"Regarding the investigations, Gloria Guillén confessed that a soldier from the base gave her a lot of information for the case, but said, “I can't speak because they kill me, or make my family disappear. But you do, because they can't harm you. ”

Mis pésames Señora Guillén.

MOO JMO

 

[m00c0w]

And no court martial?

...

He was convicted, imprisoned, and given a dishonorable discharge. He’s a felon now.

 

[m00c0w]

There have been multiple prostitution rings at Ft Hood. There’s a pimp operating on every on-base corner it seems.

Can you provide sources since you’re claiming this as verifiable fact?

 

[m00c0w]

Are you saying AR attempted to start a prostitution ring? I've missed a lot in the last few days, so, I didn't know this. If that doesn't count as criminal behavior, I'm at a loss for words.

No, the guy arrested in 2015.

 

[Inquisitive2018]

Heartbreaking video, poor mom, she still does not know the gruesome details.
The truth is we don't have all the info, we can only speculate. The family does not as well, though they said a soldier gave them some more inside info.

Not sure if it was this website or another but there I did read somewhere stating that AR was a ticking time bomb before the military all MOO because I cannot confirm or even remember where I read it. You gotta be pretty brazen to kill your colleague on the job or really unstable.

 

[Boxer]

Catching up on press conferences.
The Army finds itself blameless.
" We conducted hundreds of interviews and found no evidence of sexual harrassment."

Let me paraphrase For them:
"Due to the hierarchical nature of the Army, the Army cannot find evidence of its own culpability in a situatuon because the interviews can spell career trouble for all the interviewees"

This worry is also why VG didn't report in time, because no one wants to be a complainer and AR was clever.
If she did complain the Army is likely to have concluded the same "no evidence."

She knew it was a "she said he said" and hesitated to report.

So where can you complain when things go really go wrong?

MOO that's a US Congress question because the citizens need to speak on how they want the Army to handle it.

Still MOO MOO
Ft. hood had basic discipline issues besides the whole army system of harrasment suppression and reporting:

MOO If the roll call at 3pm had been conducted according standards, her being being missing would have been noted at 3pm 4/22, when her body was still sitting in the 3rd Corps armory, and MOO an assertive NCO leadership would have tried to track her down that day.

 

[Ninja Bunny]

Can you provide sources since you’re claiming this as verifiable fact?

Google is your friend.

 

[Boxer]

Can you provide sources since you’re claiming this as verifiable fact?

Here is two.
MOO like rats it completely out of control of you see one in the daytime.


6 Fort Hood soldiers, 14 total, arrested after prostitution sting

Inside Fort Hood’s Prostitution Ring

 

[m00c0w]

Here is two.
MOO like rats it completely out of control of you see one in the daytime.


6 Fort Hood soldiers, 14 total, arrested after prostitution sting

Inside Fort Hood’s Prostitution Ring

The first link is 6 soldiers caught in an off-post prostitution sting with nothing to do with the military except the “johns” were soldiers.

The second is the same 2015 case that keeps getting posted here.

 

[Boxer]

The first link is 6 soldiers caught in an off-post prostitution sting with nothing to do with the military except the “johns” were soldiers.

The second is the same 2015 case that keeps getting posted here.

True.
I concede it is just one on-post ring.
Amazing what one modest prostitution ring will do to a post's reputation.

 

[m00c0w]

True.
I concede it is just one on-post ring.
Amazing what one modest prostitution ring will do to a post's reputation.

One “ring” that never actually went into operation before its leader was busted and imprisoned.

It is essentially conspiracy theorism at this point that Ft Hood authorities “turn a blind eye” and actively foster a “deviant sexual environment”. Fort Hood has problems, lots of problems, but there’s no need for people here to grossly embellish. It’s already bad enough.

 

[Boxer]

One “ring” that never actually went into operation before its leader was busted and imprisoned.

It is essentially conspiracy theorism at this point that Ft Hood authorities “turn a blind eye” and actively foster a “deviant sexual environment”. Fort Hood has problems, lots of problems, but there’s no need for people here to grossly embellish. It’s already bad enough.

Agree. MOO most issues can be traced to the particular adjacent post town.
MOO If the Army really wanted to clean up, they could pull back their troops from being able to live off post until they reach E5, and make all E4s and below get back to the post in unimpared condition by 2am every night.

 

[PatLaurel]

LIVE: Latino leaders meet today with Sec. Of Army
LIVE: Latino leaders meet today with Secretary of the Army Ryan D. McCarthy and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to discuss the killing of Vanessa Guillen.

Brandon Hamilton KWTX

 

[jondaba]

Rep. Sylvia Garcia, LULAC call for action from Army, House officials in wake of Vanessa Guillen's death

"Guillen's family and their attorney said Guillen was being sexually harassed but she did not report it to her superiors for fear of retaliation".

MOO MOO People to whom sexual harassment is an important cause are using Vanessa's death to push their cause.

VG's family and their lawyer (and many WS members) simply do not want to accept the fact that she was murdered by one guy. Not the US Army, not a group of conspirators a psychopath, not a sex trafficking ring, not a ranking Army officer. One guy. 20 years old. Not a member of any "old boys club".

No one on WS has been able to show any actual evidence that prior to killing her on April 22, AR sexual harassed VG. Apparently, there is no such evidence.

That is a problem for the anti-sexual harassment crew - they want to use poor Vanessa as their poster girl - "Justice for Vanessa"! It doesn't work for them that she was murdered by some dumb- 2o year old < modsnip> psychopath - all by himself - acting all alone. Who wants to march around with signs and placards bearing the image of AR!
So they want to pretend that a more suitable villain - the US Army - murdered her. They misrepresent hunches, probabilities, alleged logic, feelings and beliefs as actual facts. "Its obvious that x, y and z". Remember the "Treasure of Sierra Madre" with Humphrey Bogart? "Facts? I don't need to show you no stinkin' facts"!

VG's mom, of course, is feeling the worst pain anyone can feel in life - the loss of a child. It is natural that she would aggrandize her loss, i.e. - "It took a conspiracy of the entire United States Army, including the Pentagon, to finally overcome my valiant child! the CID and disband the 3rd Cavalry".

Try to tell a grieving mother that some young black psychopath - acting all alone - murdered her child. She is not trying to hear that. It doesn't work for her. It makes VG's death seem run-of-mill and pedestrian.

Not to mention that the Army might be liable for a substantial amount of monetary damages if all the allegations against it were true. What money damages can you recover if you sue AR?

So, Vanessa's sad death has become a rallying cry for
causes for which there is no factual evidence.

Last observation: because the sole murderer was a black youth, a lot a steam has gone out of the racism card. Expect the family to remain in pain, but expect the politicians to distance themselves from the murder as the weeks go by.
May VG rest in peace.

 

[Boxer]

Rep. Sylvia Garcia, LULAC call for action from Army, House officials in wake of Vanessa Guillen's death

"Guillen's family and their attorney said Guillen was being sexually harassed but she did not report it to her superiors for fear of retaliation".

MOO MOO People to whom sexual harassment is an important cause are using Vanessa's death to push their cause.

VG's family and their lawyer (and many WS members) simply do not want to accept the fact that she was murdered by one guy. Not the US Army, not a group of conspirators a psychopath, not a sex trafficking ring, not a ranking Army officer. One guy. 20 years old. Not a member of any "old boys club".

No one on WS has been able to show any actual evidence that prior to killing her on April 22, AR sexual harassed VG. Apparently, there is no such evidence.

That is a problem for the anti-sexual harassment crew - they want to use poor Vanessa as their poster girl - "Justice for Vanessa"! It doesn't work for them that she was murdered by some dumb- 2o year old black psychopath - all by himself - acting all alone. Who wants to march around with signs and placards bearing the image of AR!
So they want to pretend that a more suitable villain - the US Army - murdered her. They misrepresent hunches, probabilities, alleged logic, feelings and beliefs as actual facts. "Its obvious that x, y and z". Remember the "Treasure of Sierra Madre" with Humphrey Bogart? "Facts? I don't need to show you no stinkin' facts"!

VG's mom, of course, is feeling the worst pain anyone can feel in life - the loss of a child. It is natural that she would aggrandize her loss, i.e. - "It took a conspiracy of the entire United States Army, including the Pentagon, to finally overcome my valiant child! ****** the CID and disband the 3rd Cavalry".

Try to tell a grieving mother that some young black psychopath - acting all alone - murdered her child. She is not trying to hear that. It doesn't work for her. It makes VG's death seem run-of-mill and pedestrian.

Not to mention that the Army might be liable for a substantial amount of monetary damages if all the allegations against it were true. What money damages can you recover if you sue AR?

So, Vanessa's sad death has become a rallying cry for
causes for which there is no factual evidence.

Last observation: because the sole murderer was a black youth, a lot a steam has gone out of the racism card. Expect the family to remain in pain, but expect the politicians to distance themselves from the murder as the weeks go by.
May VG rest in peace.

What about Vanessa? Her report was she was being harrassed in an escalating situation.
MOO that is 99% the reason she is dead.

 

[K9Enzo]

Secretary of the Army announces independent review of Fort Hood

 

[MsBetsy]

What about Vanessa? Her report was she was being harrassed in an escalating situation.
MOO that is 99% the reason she is dead.

Yes, they said there will be an independent investigation into Vanessa's case and also into sexual harrassment and reporting in general.

Reportedly, Vanessa told her family, a friend from Georgia, and other soldiers that she was being sexually harassed.

Just because it was not reported doesn't mean it didn't happen and it's not connected to her murder. Everyone she told can be questioned as part of the investigation.

They also stated that they will attempt to question some of the thousands of soldiers who have shared personal stories of sexual assault, rape, and sexual harrassment.

Towards the end of the PC they said that Aguilar is sharing more details about the murder and they are finding out new information everytime they speak to her.

I hope they are looking onto AR's past and any history of aggression or violence.

I'm sure there are a lot more details that we don't know that will eventually come to light.