Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020

[irridescentmoon]

First time poster here. I've been following this unfortunate case, and I can't stop thinking about it.
My husband has been in the AF for 10+ years. When I first mentioned this story to him, his immediate response was "someone planted those items in the armory". It wasn't my initial response, but I feel like there are a lot of questions that aren't being answered.

1) If in fact she was going on a run in those clothes, why haven't they mentioned that her uniform was among the items in the building?

2) Why aren't they mentioning anything about the supervisor/co-workers? I know the military doesn't like to give out info, but why haven't they mentioned anything like "her supervisor said she came in that morning acting normal with no redflags"... It just seems it had to have been an inside job, and they're trying to either crack down on it, or completely sweep it under the rug.

3)Why is this being downplayed so much? Why isn't there a national coverage on this? My husband said he's never heard of offering rewards, so he believes the Army definitely knows way more info than they're giving us. The military likes to keep things hush-hush, unfortunately. After looking into Ft. Hood, it seems A LOT of shady things go on there.

On top of those questions, I'm assuming the army has told the sister and brother to keep quiet on other info. I have a deep feeling that they know someone was stalking her or harassing her.

 

[jfalkingham]

There is a FB profile floating around that is in TX, her name, similar appearance, photo in uniform and a post a day ago. I doubt it is her, but interesting to see nonetheless.....

Nevermind the person is located over 3 hours from base....

 

[Hatfield]

First time poster here. I've been following this unfortunate case, and I can't stop thinking about it.
My husband has been in the AF for 10+ years. When I first mentioned this story to him, his immediate response was "someone planted those items in the armory". It wasn't my initial response, but I feel like there are a lot of questions that aren't being answered.

1) If in fact she was going on a run in those clothes, why haven't they mentioned that her uniform was among the items in the building?

2) Why aren't they mentioning anything about the supervisor/co-workers? I know the military doesn't like to give out info, but why haven't they mentioned anything like "her supervisor said she came in that morning acting normal with no redflags"... It just seems it had to have been an inside job, and they're trying to either crack down on it, or completely sweep it under the rug.

3)Why is this being downplayed so much? Why isn't there a national coverage on this? My husband said he's never heard of offering rewards, so he believes the Army definitely knows way more info than they're giving us. The military likes to keep things hush-hush, unfortunately. After looking into Ft. Hood, it seems A LOT of shady things go on there.

On top of those questions, I'm assuming the army has told the sister and brother to keep quiet on other info. I have a deep feeling that they know someone was stalking her or harassing her.

Thanks for joining here and thanks to your husband and others here who have also served the country.

 

[riolove77]

Not only did the sister and boyfriend ring the alarm super early, but so did the base. That's what makes me think foul play for sure.

Some people are in contact with family constantly. One morning I napped for too long and my mother legitimately called in a welfare check. Deputies (who I work with as a DA) came to my condo. So embarrassing.

So it's likely here that something was wrong that VG had told them about prior that caused them both to be distressed so quickly.

I too think she's on base still.

JMO

 

[irridescentmoon]

Not only did the sister and boyfriend ring the alarm super early, but so did the base. That's what makes me think foul play for sure.

Some people are in contact with family constantly. One morning I napped for too long and my mother legitimately called in a welfare check. Deputies (who I work with as a DA) came to my condo. So embarrassing.

So it's likely here that something was wrong that VG had told them about prior that caused them both to be distressed so quickly.

I too think she's on base still.

JMO

I agree. I believe the sister and bf are being told not to mention the person of interest, to see if anyone will come forward and confirm and/or if the perp will slip up.

At first, I thought it might have been an outsider finding a way to pick up a girl for human trafficking. (it's extremely high over there). However, it seems more and more that it might have been someone she knew.

I've known people have stalkers in the military. It happens all of the time. Sometimes they get corrected, sometimes the superiors look the other way.

In this case, I believe she may have mentioned it to her superiors and they turned a blind eye, and are now scrambling.

 

[MassGuy]

First time poster here. I've been following this unfortunate case, and I can't stop thinking about it.
My husband has been in the AF for 10+ years. When I first mentioned this story to him, his immediate response was "someone planted those items in the armory". It wasn't my initial response, but I feel like there are a lot of questions that aren't being answered.

1) If in fact she was going on a run in those clothes, why haven't they mentioned that her uniform was among the items in the building?

2) Why aren't they mentioning anything about the supervisor/co-workers? I know the military doesn't like to give out info, but why haven't they mentioned anything like "her supervisor said she came in that morning acting normal with no redflags"... It just seems it had to have been an inside job, and they're trying to either crack down on it, or completely sweep it under the rug.

3)Why is this being downplayed so much? Why isn't there a national coverage on this? My husband said he's never heard of offering rewards, so he believes the Army definitely knows way more info than they're giving us. The military likes to keep things hush-hush, unfortunately. After looking into Ft. Hood, it seems A LOT of shady things go on there.

On top of those questions, I'm assuming the army has told the sister and brother to keep quiet on other info. I have a deep feeling that they know someone was stalking her or harassing her.

I’m not concerned that they haven’t mentioned where her uniform is (I think it was in the armory) as it’s less important than what she was wearing, and where her belongings were.

They are staying where she was last spotted as if it is a fact, so I think they were able to confirm her presence in the parking lot.

When you have a dearth if information, stories tend not to get the attention they deserve. Because CID is the lead law enforcement agency, I expect that to continue until there is a major development.

I think they have a very good idea what happened, and I consider the reward to be an ominous sign. I agree, she likely knew the perpetrator (if this is foul play), and this person is probably also in the Army.

I do think we’ll have answers sooner than later.

 

[irridescentmoon]

I’m not concerned that they haven’t mentioned where her uniform is, as it’s less important than what she was wearing, and where her belongings were.

They are staying where she was last spotted as if it is a fact, so I think they were able to confirm her presence in the parking lot.

When you have a dearth if information, stories tend not to get the attention they deserve. Because CID is the lead law enforcement agency, I expect that to continue until there is a major development.

I think they have a very good idea what happened, and I consider the reward to be an ominous sign. I agree, she likely knew the perpetrator (if this is foul play), and this person is probably also in the Army.

I do think we’ll have answers sooner than later.

I agree with you. It really does seem that they have a lot more information on who it was. I think the reward is to at least help find her body.

I followed the Andreen McDonald story. The AF knew all along it was him, but never had the solid evidence. Of course, they were able to keep him for destroying of evidence, but they may have nothing on this person. I think they're trying to get help to have 100% true evidence against this person of interest.
I'm just praying she is found soon. It really is heartbreaking.

 

[Boxer]

First time poster here. I've been following this unfortunate case, and I can't stop thinking about it.
My husband has been in the AF for 10+ years. When I first mentioned this story to him, his immediate response was "someone planted those items in the armory". It wasn't my initial response, but I feel like there are a lot of questions that aren't being answered.

1) If in fact she was going on a run in those clothes, why haven't they mentioned that her uniform was among the items in the building?

2) Why aren't they mentioning anything about the supervisor/co-workers? I know the military doesn't like to give out info, but why haven't they mentioned anything like "her supervisor said she came in that morning acting normal with no redflags"... It just seems it had to have been an inside job, and they're trying to either crack down on it, or completely sweep it under the rug.

3)Why is this being downplayed so much? Why isn't there a national coverage on this? My husband said he's never heard of offering rewards, so he believes the Army definitely knows way more info than they're giving us. The military likes to keep things hush-hush, unfortunately. After looking into Ft. Hood, it seems A LOT of shady things go on there.

On top of those questions, I'm assuming the army has told the sister and brother to keep quiet on other info. I have a deep feeling that they know someone was stalking her or harassing her.

Good observation re: planting her wallet and keys.
Really made me think.
The disjoint between going in late at 9am bothers me.

There is a lot of strange things having to with work.

Apparently she was at work in the morning (wallet and keys, and sign in?)
Apparently she dressed for a solo run at lunch.
So where is her uniform then? Should be hung up in appropriate place at work with the ditty bag she brought her running gear in.
Apparently she was reported having been seen at 1pm in a deserted overflow parking lot (between 16th and 19th on HOW Dr.) I wonder if that was a passing driver or video?
Who would even be parking in overflow with the post on COVID lockdown?

MOO starting to point to elaborate crime or cover up.

MOO Even being in a parking lot at 1pm doesn't add up as 1pm is too late to get back back to work on time.
Most duty is 12-1 lunch and most armory rooms have regular hours.

 

[irridescentmoon]

Well, considering the national shutdown, hours of operation are all being changed on a daily basis. For example, my husband isn't even going in everyday. So if most of the base is closed, and has people working from home, they may have allowed her and other soldiers to come in later.

My theory is this:

1)She was set up to show up to work, so that she can have her belongings left there instead of in the dorms (where there are way more eyes on who's coming in/out).... Meaning, this would have to have been a co-worker and most likely supervisor.

OR

2) She really did go to work, had a break to go workout, and was met up with someone she knows. Then, willingly got in the vehicle without knowing she was going to be taken somewhere and not come back.

Either way, I just have this feeling it was someone she knew and trusted, or someone that was stalking her.

 

[MassGuy]

Well, considering the national shutdown, hours of operation are all being changed on a daily basis. For example, my husband isn't even going in everyday. So if most of the base is closed, and has people working from home, they may have allowed her and other soldiers to come in later.

My theory is this:

1)She was set up to show up to work, so that she can have her belongings left there instead of in the dorms (where there are way more eyes on who's coming in/out).... Meaning, this would have to have been a co-worker and most likely supervisor.

OR

2) She really did go to work, had a break to go workout, and was met up with someone she knows. Then, willingly got in the vehicle without knowing she was going to be taken somewhere and not come back.

Either way, I just have this feeling it was someone she knew and trusted, or someone that was stalking her.

I’m all in on the second scenario. She left work with every intention of returning, but someone she knew had other plans.

I don’t like the first scenario as there would be too many witnesses, and the parking lot sighting seems solid.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

I think I have it all in so far. Mostly the same info, article after article.

Vanessa Guillen -TX- by amanda reckonwith

 

[GordianKnot]

Video of VG's sister at link:

Sister of missing Fort Hood soldier from Houston says it's unlike her to disappear

SABBM:

But Vanessa's sister says this is unlike her.

"She was a very responsible person. I know she just wouldn't leave her stuff there. I know my sister, she wouldn't leave stuff there if she didn't know she wasn't coming back," Mayra Guillen told KWTX. <snip>

"At this point, I just hope someone comes with a concrete answer. They can tell us, I don't know... something, anything, but something concrete, not just 'We're working on it, we're working on it.' There has to be something," her sister said.
______________________

I definitely feel for her sister's frustration over the lack of information/updates being provided in the case.

The thing is, I have no doubt whatsoever that when the CID says, "We're working on it," it's not merely a sop.

They mean it.

If I were the guilty party, hearing CID saying, "We're working on it," would have me looking over my shoulder.

As well as shaking in my boots.

JMO.

 

[Boxer]

Video of VG's sister at link:

Sister of missing Fort Hood soldier from Houston says it's unlike her to disappear

SABBM:

But Vanessa's sister says this is unlike her.

"She was a very responsible person. I know she just wouldn't leave her stuff there. I know my sister, she wouldn't leave stuff there if she didn't know she wasn't coming back," Mayra Guillen told KWTX. <snip>

"At this point, I just hope someone comes with a concrete answer. They can tell us, I don't know... something, anything, but something concrete, not just 'We're working on it, we're working on it.' There has to be something," her sister said.
______________________

I definitely feel for her sister's frustration over the lack of information/updates being provided in the case.

The thing is, I have no doubt whatsoever that when the CID says, "We're working on it," it's not a sop.

They mean it.

If I were the guilty party, hearing CID saying, "We're working on it," would have me looking over my shoulder.

As well as shaking in my boots.

JMO.

Yes. Vanessa looks like a complete innocent and I think will that will spur on the investigators.

 

[oviedo]

Not only did the sister and boyfriend ring the alarm super early, but so did the base. That's what makes me think foul play for sure.

Some people are in contact with family constantly. One morning I napped for too long and my mother legitimately called in a welfare check. Deputies (who I work with as a DA) came to my condo. So embarrassing.

So it's likely here that something was wrong that VG had told them about prior that caused them both to be distressed so quickly.

I too think she's on base still.

JMO

Your mom must be my twin....I would do that as well - I had a friend post about what a mom thinks when she can't get a hold of her daughter - pictures of car accidents, being tied up, etc - we all go to the worst case when we don't have the same level of contact IMO. I really believe something has happened to her but I wish I was wrong.
JMO

 

[Mind your biscuits]

I've been putting off writing this since last night. I don't want to think that she ended up there. Fort Hood has its own landfill, recycling center, compost farm and mulch making facility! Sorry.

 

[MassGuy]

I've been putting off writing this since last night. I don't want to think that she ended up there. Fort Hood has its own landfill, recycling center, compost farm and mulch making facility! Sorry.

I imagine those places are secured, so I’m not worried about that.

There are plenty of places in which to dump her unfortunately.

 

[AXW]

I’ve been following news about her for a while since it hits close to home, but here are some of the things that does not makes sense to me.

1) If she was working in the armory early in the day, she would not have left her belongings inside as it would take a couple of people to get it open. Also, why was she in civilians the last time she was seen if I’m thinking her place of duty is armory which will require her to wear uniform.

2) I’ve read on one of the comments from a Facebook post that her card has a charge in Fort Worth, TX. Fort Hood is under 40 mile radius travel ban.

3) If her phone’s last location was Belton, TX why did she left her wallet, barracks rooms and car key inside the armory? Someone definitely planted it there, she could have been missing longer than the her command is leading as on, cause how can someone knowingly just leave all her stuff knowing she wouldn’t be able to get it quickly.

4) It took her command two days to break the news that they have a missing soldier which closes the window if we could find her alive. Also, they have sent soldiers to search for her at training areas. Why are they searching inside post if the last location recorded was Belton, TX?

I wouldn’t want this to be just another cold case. Praying for her safety.

 

[MassGuy]

I’ve been following news about her for a while since it hits close to home, but here are some of the things that does not makes sense to me.

1) If she was working in the armory early in the day, she would not have left her belongings inside as it would take a couple of people to get it open. Also, why was she in civilians the last time she was seen if I’m thinking her place of duty is armory which will require her to wear uniform.

2) I’ve read on one of the comments from a Facebook post that her card has a charge in Fort Worth, TX. Fort Hood is under 40 mile radius travel ban.

3) If her phone’s last location was Belton, TX why did she left her wallet, barracks rooms and car key inside the armory? Someone definitely planted it there, she could have been missing longer than the her command is leading as on, cause how can someone knowingly just leave all her stuff knowing she wouldn’t be able to get it quickly.

4) It took her command two days to break the news that they have a missing soldier which closes the window if we could find her alive. Also, they have sent soldiers to search for her at training areas. Why are they searching inside post if the last location recorded was Belton, TX?

I wouldn’t want this to be just another cold case. Praying for her safety.

She worked in the armory, so she’d have no problem with someone allowing her in. I think she changed into PT clothes, and went outside with every intention of returning.

I am skeptical of the location of the phone ping, as that post was deleted. The charge on her card is also a rumor, and hasn’t been repeated by either CID or her sister (as far as I know).

That’s why I think they are searching for her on base.

 

[GordianKnot]

Her chain of command do a daily checks for the soldiers under them.

At what time do these checks occur?

AM or PM?

 

[ab01]

She worked in the armory, so she’d have no problem with someone allowing her in. I think she changed into PT clothes, and went outside with every intention of returning.

I am skeptical of the location of the phone ping, as that post was deleted. The charge on her card is also a rumor, and hasn’t been repeated by either CID or her sister (as far as I know).

That’s why I think they are searching for her on base.

Also logic says that you keep investigating on base until you have information that she left the base.

The way they are investigating this leads me to believe that they don’t have evidence of her leaving. Surveillance cameras at the gates etc.

Like you I feel that the phone ping info is suspect at best. I think it’s highly likely her phone was turned off Or disabled shortly after she left the armory that day.

Additionally the alarming thing that tipped off her sister was that texts and calls weren’t going thru. Imo this also supports the likelihood that her phone wasn’t active after she wen missing.

I think whatever happened to her happened shortly after she was spotted in the parking area. Whether she went with someone to an on base residence and met with foul play. Or and I haven’t seen this possibility mentioned but we could even have a suicide situation. But something definitely happened shortly after she was last physically seen imo