Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020

[AXW]

She worked in the armory, so she’d have no problem with someone allowing her in. I think she changed into PT clothes, and went outside with every intention of returning.

I am skeptical of the location of the phone ping, as that post was deleted. The charge on her card is also a rumor, and hasn’t been repeated by either CID or her sister (as far as I know).

That’s why I think they are searching for her on base.

She would still have an NCO who has the keys to open it for her which would have still been a hassle for both of them.

From what I’ve read, she was wearing purple leggings and black shirt which is not the PT uniform.

 

[AXW]

At what time do these checks occur?

AM or PM?

depends on the person in charge to be honest, usually in the morning but some people do it before it hits 1700 as they need to report it to their command if their soldiers are good.

 

[MassGuy]

She would still have an NCO who has the keys to open it for her which would have still been a hassle for both of them.

From what I’ve read, she was wearing purple leggings and black shirt which is not the PT uniform.

You don’t have to be in the Army PT uniform. Unless there is unit PT, you can wear whatever you want.

If her armory is anything like the one we had in the Marines, there is a main door that can be opened during business hours. The armorers are behind a second door, and conduct transactions through a barred window.

Her gaining access would merely entail someone opening a door.

 

[AXW]

You don’t have to be in the Army PT uniform. Unless there is unit PT, you can wear whatever you want.

If her armory is anything like the one we had in the Marines, there is a main door that can be opened during business hours. The armorers are behind a second door, and conduct transactions through a barred window.

Her gaining access would merely entail someone opening a door.

Given that she was working in the armory early during the day, she’s got to be in uniform that’s just how I see it under the regiment that she belongs to.

And yes it seems that Marines has the same layout like in the army, but given that all trainings are on hold, the only reason I can think why they need troopers in the armory if they need to clean it which will be against what the post General have ordered that there should not be more than two people working together.

 

[Mistree]

She would still have an NCO who has the keys to open it for her which would have still been a hassle for both of them.

From what I’ve read, she was wearing purple leggings and black shirt which is not the PT uniform.

Could this be workout clothes for going to or having come from the gym?

 

[AXW]

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Could this be workout clothes for going to or having come from the gym?

It could be, but why change and “leave” post before getting your stuff locked up somewhere?

 

[Boxer]

Reward offered for information about missing Soldier

SABBM:

QUANTICO, Virginia — The U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command is offering a reward of up to $15,000 for credible information leading to the whereabouts of missing Fort Hood Soldier, Pfc. Vanessa Guillen.
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The payout of cash rewards to military and federal employees for information leading to her whereabouts or conviction of persons involved is contingent upon their actions regarding the information provided.
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I attached this brief article from the Fort Hood Sentinel because it's the first time I've seen the bolded caveat to the announcement of a reward.

It looks like the military wants to be clear in letting people within their ranks know that they shouldn't expect to be rewarded if it turns out that the reason they have information is because they were somehow complicit in VG's disappearance, be it before, during, or after the fact.

Or maybe it's indicating that people will be eligible for the reward only if they come forward with their info voluntarily, versus coughing it up only after being hauled in by CID for questioning.

JMO.

IIRC Crimestoppers had some trouble where criminals turned themselves in for the reward and their language didn't make it clear that you could not be part of the crime and collect. Or maybe it was an urban legend.

 

[Gigi3]

Could this be workout clothes for going to or having come from the gym?

I think the gyms maybe closed due to covid restrictions, so maybe she was just going for a run during her lunchtime? MOO

 

[Falling Down]

She worked in the armory, so she’d have no problem with someone allowing her in. I think she changed into PT clothes, and went outside with every intention of returning.

I am skeptical of the location of the phone ping, as that post was deleted. The charge on her card is also a rumor, and hasn’t been repeated by either CID or her sister (as far as I know).

That’s why I think they are searching for her on base.

I agree re: the ping. We've been through this before as sleuthers, false or misleading info early on.

MOO is she never left the base, or didn't leave alive, but that's just MOO.

My guess would be we won't hear any additional relevant info about this intriguing case until CID releases it and/or does a presser at the base.

 

[MadTing]

Nearly 100 Fort Hood soldiers are currently listed as AWOL.

from a 2019 story

Missing Fort Hood soldier found safe in Arizona

 

[ab01]

Given that she was working in the armory early during the day, she’s got to be in uniform that’s just how I see it under the regiment that she belongs to.

And yes it seems that Marines has the same layout like in the army, but given that all trainings are on hold, the only reason I can think why they need troopers in the armory if they need to clean it which will be against what the post General have ordered that there should not be more than two people working together.

I think it’s likely that she had taken workout clothes with her to the armory.

I don’t think it would be unusual to change out of uniform and into workout clothing to go for a lunchtime run. In fact it may have been part of her daily routine

 

[MassGuy]

Nearly 100 Fort Hood soldiers are currently listed as AWOL.

from a 2019 story

Missing Fort Hood soldier found safe in Arizona

Yeah, AWOL is incredibly common, and happens far more often than foul play. As soon as I hear about a missing service member, my knee jerk reaction is to assume AWOL.

I did that here, until I heard the specifics. This doesn’t follow the usual pattern, and I’d be stunned if this ended up being an AWOL.

 

[Falling Down]

depends on the person in charge to be honest, usually in the morning but some people do it before it hits 1700 as they need to report it to their command if their soldiers are good.

Twice per day when I was in the Corps, unless there was extra duty/hours involved, troop movements, etc. Accountability is a big deal in the military, particularly during normal work days.

 

[Falling Down]

Given that she was working in the armory early during the day, she’s got to be in uniform that’s just how I see it under the regiment that she belongs to.

And yes it seems that Marines has the same layout like in the army, but given that all trainings are on hold, the only reason I can think why they need troopers in the armory if they need to clean it which will be against what the post General have ordered that there should not be more than two people working together.

Interesting about the base commander's orders, that might play in to this case, as strange as that may sound to some.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Interesting about the base commander's orders, that might play in to this case, as strange as that may sound to some.

JMO

Yeah. I keep thinking about normal protocols being in place, but I keep forgetting that things have changed in the past couple months.

 

[Falling Down]

Yeah, AWOL is incredibly common, and happens far more often than foul play. As soon as I hear about a missing service member, my knee jerk reaction is to assume AWOL.

I did that here, until I heard the specifics. This doesn’t follow the usual pattern, and I’d be stunned if this ended up being an AWOL.

I'm still kinda on the fence, but am leaning foul play for a variety of reasons.

Every case of UA/AWOL I knew about in the service didn't happen in the middle of a work day. I'm sure it happens but would be exceedingly rare, I don't remember even hearing about one specific case of it when I was in. Makes sense I suppose. Usually it happened over a holiday weekend or when someone went on leave, I don't recall even one case of it during a normal work week.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I'm still kinda on the fence, but am leaning foul play for a variety of reasons.

Every case of UA/AWOL I knew about in the service didn't happen in the middle of a work day. I'm sure it happens but would be exceedingly rare, I don't remember even hearing about one specific case of it when I was in. Makes sense I suppose. Usually it happened over a holiday weekend or when someone went on leave, I don't recall even one case of it during a normal work week.

JMO

I was shocked when I looked at the numbers, because I simply never saw it happen either.

I agree, the middle of the day thing is incredibly odd. Coupled with the fact that she didn’t take her car, it would be an incredibly unusual way to go about it.

If there was any sign of that happening, I don’t think we’d see a reward offered, especially one this substantial.

 

[Falling Down]

I was shocked when I looked at the numbers, because I simply never saw it happen either.

I agree, the middle of the day thing is incredibly odd. Coupled with the fact that she didn’t take her car, it would be an incredibly unusual way to go about it.

If there was any sign of that happening, I don’t think we’d see a reward offered, especially one this substantial.

^^^^This.

AWOL is this case just doesn't wash with me for one simple fact: She's from Houston. That metro is only a 3 hour drive away. Most AWOL cases I remember involved folks who were from places far from base. 3 hour drive means she could conceivably spend weekends in the area she's from, when off-duty hours allow it.

Also her vehicle was found.

Very strange case so far.

If she was AWOL, the chances would be extremely high that people she knows would know about it.

JMO

 

[Ajs1004]

3) If her phone’s last location was Belton, TX why did she left her wallet, barracks rooms and car key inside the armory? Someone definitely planted it there, she could have been missing longer than the her command is leading as on, cause how can someone knowingly just leave all her stuff knowing she wouldn’t be able to get it quickly.

4) It took her command two days to break the news that they have a missing soldier which closes the window if we could find her alive. Also, they have sent soldiers to search for her at training areas. Why are they searching inside post if the last location recorded was Belton, TX?

I wouldn’t want this to be just another cold case. Praying for her safety.

because ft.hood is huge and you could be on a certain side of it and technically be right next to Belton. I have friends who lived in Belton towards BLORA about 10 years ago and they were right next to base.

 

[mom2chloe]

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It could be, but why change and “leave” post before getting your stuff locked up somewhere?

Would someone have come to relieve her for her lunch break? Are there any arms or ammo missing from the armory?
Second question is rhetorical as I know I’m not privy to the information but I’m seriously wondering...