Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020

[California Sunset]

Found this on the FAQ page of the Army's CID website:

https://www.cid.army.mil/faq.html

SABBM:

As a matter of policy, CID does not confirm when someone is the subject or suspect of an ongoing criminal investigation due to the person’s Constitutional due process and Privacy Act rights. To prevent premature speculation about a case, when CID conducts an investigation, special agents are obligated to protect the integrity of those investigations by not discussing the details of ongoing investigations. Additionally, some of the reasons why CID does not release this information is to prevent “suspects” from destroying possible evidence, fleeing the area and to prevent witness tampering. CID investigates allegations of wrongdoing and once an investigation is completed, turns those findings over to the appropriate command and legal authority for disposition and adjudication. Once a person is charged with a crime, that information is beyond the purview or control of CID. It's also important to note that an allegation of wrongdoing or the fact that an investigation has been opened does not necessarily in and of itself imply guilt or innocence.
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Based on this, I don't think we're going to hear anything at all until an arrest is made.

Thank you, that is very helpful and enlightening.

 

[California Sunset]

I don't know how the Army works, but I'm pretty sure someone had to relieve her if she was off to lunch.
As far as we know, the Army hasn't said a peep about missing weapons. Who knows. If a weapon was missing, they would have to have placed the base on full lockdown, until they found the suspect. But it makes you wonder, since they didn't initially post about her missing until 2 days later.

Edit** I'd like to also add that if indeed a weapon was taken, there hasn't been any reports of shots fired. I mean, I know Ft Hood is huge, so perhaps a shot could've still happened without anyone hearing, but that's the thing that gets me.

She has literally disappeared without a trace, on a military installation where there are few cars on the road, eyes everywhere, and limited access. This why it makes me believe it's definitely another soldier as a suspect.

She wouldn't have had to be 'relieved' if she just locked up the area.
I've said I sat with a guy in charge of the arms room at one base. If he had had an emergency, I think he just locked the place up until he could get back. At the same time, I don't believe he was permitted to leave during his shift. Not for meals or anything. That's why I went over there. He couldn't leave. His interactions were limited because weapons were signed out/in at specific times.
But that was one arms room on one base.

 

[California Sunset]

This phone ping doesn’t appear to be a fact at this point. The media cited a Facebook post from a friend, but that post was deleted.

Her sister said the phone pinged in Belton. It's in the beginning of the thread. #3.

 

[California Sunset]

MOO military has fewer bad apples, but of course there are always some.

The military is made up of people from the general population. The only difference is they have to pass an entrance exam. Apparently, in some cases the people have criminal records on going in. I knew a guy (one of many) that was given the choice between jail and the military. He joined the Marines. I think in many cases it straightens the person right out, but not all the time.

 

[California Sunset]

It depends on who saw her at 1.

This is something that has not been addressed, correct? Who said they saw her in the parking lot alone? Was it more than one person?

 

[insearchoflight]

This is something that has not been addressed, correct? Who said they saw her in the parking lot alone? Was it more than one person?

We don’t know if it was a person who saw her or a camera. We also don’t know that she was alone

 

[banditgurl]

leaving personal property behind especially the ID doesn't give me asense of voluntary exit. did she recently break a relationship with a fellow soldier that resisted ending relationship?

where ever she is I doubt she will be alone

 

[California Sunset]

oops. delete, sorry.

 

[California Sunset]

She would still have an NCO who has the keys to open it for her which would have still been a hassle for both of them.

From what I’ve read, she was wearing purple leggings and black shirt which is not the PT uniform.

Do they require a uniform there? Because I wore what ever I wanted to exercise in several places, and PT wasn't done in formation. Nor was it done at a specific time. But we did have to pass a PT test every year, and that was done in uniform.

 

[California Sunset]

Nearly 100 Fort Hood soldiers are currently listed as AWOL.

from a 2019 story

Missing Fort Hood soldier found safe in Arizona

How many of those almost 100 AWOL soldiers are female?

 

[California Sunset]

I think it’s likely that she had taken workout clothes with her to the armory.

I don’t think it would be unusual to change out of uniform and into workout clothing to go for a lunchtime run. In fact it may have been part of her daily routine

They say that following a routine over time is a bad idea. You need to change your 'habits'. People get to know your movements, know where you'll be when, what you'll be doing. It makes a person vulnerable. It's said your 'routine' will get you every time. Now all I have to do is figure out where I got that information.

 

[California Sunset]

I thought my post was irrelevant to the thread so I deleted it. I'm sorry.

 

[Boxer]

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but would it even be possible for her to leave the base without being seen on camera? Also, I'm assuming she's seen on camera at some point if they're being able to give a time when she was last seen.

Do they require a uniform there? Because I wore what ever I wanted to exercise in several places, and PT wasn't done in formation. Nor was it done at a specific time. But we did have to pass a PT test every year, and that was done in uniform.

The army has organized PT in each company in the early morning. Not every day but close. Soldiers wear sweats or shorts and t-shirt uniform.

 

[GraceG]

They say that following a routine over time is a bad idea. You need to change your 'habits'. People get to know your movements, know where you'll be when, what you'll be doing. It makes a person vulnerable. It's said your 'routine' will get you every time. Now all I have to do is figure out where I got that information.

Step 11 here talks about avoiding routine to avoid being a victim. How to Prevent Becoming a Victim of Crime: 15 Steps

 

[AXW]

You mean they are less accountable now because of Covid, only being accounted for once a day? I think it is likely the same.

Everywhere a soldier is to report to, PT, Morning Formation, Work, Evening Formation their presence is confirmed by a roll call. Being absent anywhere is a cause for alarm.
When she was more than a few minutes late at the armory from lunch MOO the SOP was to initiate a call to the HQ, and the HQ ordered a detail to go look for her, probably starting in the barracks.

yes, less accountability. Soldiers coming in for work not more than three times a week, unless there’s “essential things” going on.

 

[AXW]

Do they require a uniform there? Because I wore what ever I wanted to exercise in several places, and PT wasn't done in formation. Nor was it done at a specific time. But we did have to pass a PT test every year, and that was done in uniform.

They do, but since covid19 there’s no organized PT therefore soldiers just wear which is convenient.

 

[ab01]

They say that following a routine over time is a bad idea. You need to change your 'habits'. People get to know your movements, know where you'll be when, what you'll be doing. It makes a person vulnerable. It's said your 'routine' will get you every time. Now all I have to do is figure out where I got that information.

Here and I’ve always been under the impression that the military was extremely routine based.

I’m not sure how some people can even leave their homes without being in fear.

It’s good practice to always be aware of your surroundings, but I’ll be damn if I ever live my life, or raise my kids to grow up in fear.

People that are always looking over their shoulder are some of the most unhappiest people on earth in my experience

 

[Mind your biscuits]

They do, but since covid19 there’s no organized PT therefore soldiers just wear which is convenient.

I was wondering where she was going to change back into her ACU's? (cammo)With no ID on her person how would she get back into her barracks or the Arms room, or even the building for that matter? Most non public buildings have CAC card access.
It's been 11 years since I was on Fort Hood so things could have changed but back then cell phone coverage was sketchy.
I've been on many active bases since and all of them have cameras on the entry and exit gates. I would have guessed that after the Nidal Hassan nightmare more cameras were installed. There are school buses on post too which may have had cameras but covid19 probably kept them parked.
They know what happened, and they won't be telling us any time soon, so we wait. Moo.

 

[Beltonian]

The signal for cell phones and internet indeed are sometimes not too great on Ft Hood even with Verizon. There is a remote gate I take to from Belton to base. It takes 15-20 min to reach base and then up to 30 min depending where you have to be on base. But overall from East Range Gate Belton is not far. Lake Belton ( Blora) is 10 min drive from Range gate. Lake is huge and deep.

 

[MassGuy]

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