TX - Police respond to reports of shooter at Santa Fe High School, 18 May 2018

[gitana1]

Confirmed at press conference by sheriff.

2 firearms--

A shotgun (not mentioned by sheriff if it was sawed off, which is illegal, and the comment was it WAS owned legally by the father of the shooter)

And a .38 revolver (holds 5, 6, or 8 rounds depending on the model-- 5 or 6 is most common). Revolvers are NOT quick to re-load, even using a rapid re-loader device, which takes a lot of practice. This is a "low capacity" weapon, with no external magazine.

There was NO semi-automatic weapon used at this mass shooting.

It certainly didn't sound like a semi. But how do we know for sure? They can be classified as shot guns as well.

 

[x_files]

Several of us have been together a long time

and know i tend to do stream of conscience type stuff

obviously the therapist is here its not something that i DO

i just saw the mug shot

compared to the other pics

the mugshot

he has gotten fat

he is greasy dirty ( depression ----------not showered in quite a while

that is what just struck me seeing the mug shot

I almost didn't recognize him from the other photos. Was he recently put on or taken off psych meds?
Meds can cause extreme weight gain in a short time also side effects may include extreme suicidal thoughts.

 

[Sulamith]

He's got the "dead eyes" look down.

There are indications (from some of the screen shots already captured from his social media) that he may have been a satanist. Certainly drugs are also a possibility. A tremendously disturbed soul.

"Satan" does not exist for much of the world.

 

[Davia18]

Yes, over 10,000 high school students participate in the Minnesota league.

Many states have sanctioned high school trap leagues. Even California and New York.

But this shooter wasn't part of a trap league, that we've heard of. Only football and greek dancing.

Are shotguns used for this ?

 

[gitana1]

He has satanic images and names of demons all over his social media. There are screen shots, since everything has been taken down (by the authorities??)

Sure, he could have simply been spoofing it. Who knows...that's why I said he MAY have been..

...in any event, a really dark mind and heart.

Who is he and where can I find this info?

TIA!

 

[Tssiemer]

I will be holding my breath waiting for the father to be charged for not keeping his arms out of the hands of his teenager...

Doubt it.


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[x_files]

Right! Also didn't they notice pressure cookers and pipe bombs? :banghead:

As another poster pointed out if both parents are extremely busy they just didn't know what he was up too in his spare time, in his room or online.

 

[bluesneakers]

He has satanic images and names of demons all over his social media.

Can you post a link so we can all see what you're talking about? Thanks.

 

[Doghairrules]

ah ha

this moron has solved it

dont let school start at one time

i feel safe now

where do these idiots come from

So the idea is to try to
Minimize the number of
Targets? Good lord.

 

[BooBooTheFool]

daddy was armed to death

that is where the murderer got his guns

i knew it.

 

[bluesneakers]

Are shotguns used for this ?

Yes..

 

[CARIIS]

Wonder about the .38. Mine holds 6.
So that could be a total of 16?
Seems he managed to harm many in a very short amount of time.
Possible a avid shooter.

ok

levity break

this is websleuths

can your provide proof that you are a verified human??

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Are shotguns used for this ?

Yes - shotguns are used for the Clay Target Leagues

 

[gitana1]

As I figured. Parents were proud NRA supporters. No doubt they knew the kid was off but they'd be damned removing their God-given firearms from the home.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/dimitrios-pagourtzis-family-parents-greek/

 

[K_Z]

I would not put it past TX officials to try and cover up the use of an AR-15 type rifle in order to avoid discussion of an assault rifle ban.

He shot 20 people, so that is at least 20 bullets if he hit someone every time. That is crazy accuracy and timing, considering he likely didn't have 20 bullets in the 2 guns allegedly used.

BBM. That's not accurate. Each of those firearms fires differently, and uses vastly different ammunition.

Shotguns don't use "bullets". They use various kinds of shells, most of the time packed with "shot" (small pellets). The damage can be horrific at close range, and could easily hit more than one person-- but rarely penetrate walls and things of that sort.

Depending on the range and trajectory, it's possible for a single bullet from a .38 revolver to strike more than one person. (Deflection, thru and thru, etc.)

We don't know yet how many shots he fired, and from which weapon.

But we most definitely know that an AR 15 was not involved.

 

[Gardenista]

Who is he and where can I find this info?

TIA!

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-santa-fe-school-shooting-20180518-story.html

Sigil of Baphomet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_of_Baphomet

 

[scapa]

I will do whatever it takes to keep kids safe. But I don't see how turning our schools into prisons is a viable option.

When I was a teen in the 80's school already felt like an oppressive prison to me. I was kicked out of two schools, went to a continuation school and ended up graduating two years late from night school.

I hated it. And I didn't learn.

Once I went to community college which was open and felt free, I excelled and ultimately went to law school.

The thought of how we are turning schools into actual prisons and treating kids as prisoners all ready to shiv a prison guard, feels like insanity to me.

We need to do better than this. We need to stop glorifying mass murderers. We need to provide our citizens with low cost, high quality health care, including mental health treatment, like every other civilized nation does, instead of having a profit-based system that punishes people for seeking help. And we need to stop melding our national identity with gun ownership and acting like that's not one of the main issues.

And caveat. I am not against gun ownership. I've enjoyed shooting. I am not for a gun ban. But we have a culture problem. We've allowed a lobbying group to link gun possession in the American psyche to faith and guts and liberty. To us against them. That has caused a massive uptick in gun ownership, and an increase in ownership of the types of guns that allow for more mass casualties.

When I was a kid most people bought and had regular old handguns and hunting rifles. Now everyone has to have 9 millimeters and AK-everythings as if they're soldiers or cops.

As a result of this national obsession, there is access to dangerous weapons by mentally disturbed people whose relatives, in past years, might have prevented such access. Today, gun ideology has led to people with a troubled child or other relative, stubbornly refusing to limit access because any common sense limit to access of firearms, even voluntary, is considered the taking of a right or the destruction of identity, nowadays, instead of just common sense.

Maybe we need to start seeing more people losing everything they have in lawsuits from victims' families because they had firearms in the home despite knowing "Johnny" was disturbed.

We need to change our culture. Guns are tools or sporting equipment, not a badge of honor or an emblematic symbol of identity. I wish we could go back to where people used guns to hunt and target practice, not to play soldier, militia man, or monster.

Thanks for this. I had similar experiences (in a different country) and am a U15 research prof now. I hate to say this, and it isn't one of my research areas, but I really think we're far from the tipping point in terms of these incidents. It will take many more, and worse, school shootings, gun massacres and large-scale spree killings, followed by organized marches and protest and targeted voting at all levels before real change comes. I weep for the victims of those future tragedies. Their lives are not going to be saved by legislators anytime soon, I fear.

 

[Gardenista]

As I figured. Parents were proud NRA supporters. No doubt they knew the kid was off but they'd be damned removing their God-given firearms from the home.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/dimitrios-pagourtzis-family-parents-greek/

The more you bash the NRA, the stronger they get. :thumb:

 

[Jennifer17]

I will do whatever it takes to keep kids safe. But I don't see how turning our schools into prisons is a viable option.

When I was a teen in the 80's school already felt like an oppressive prison to me. I was kicked out of two schools, went to a continuation school and ended up graduating two years late from night school.

I hated it. And I didn't learn.

Once I went to community college which was open and felt free, I excelled and ultimately went to law school.

The thought of how we are turning schools into actual prisons and treating kids as prisoners all ready to shiv a prison guard, feels like insanity to me.

We need to do better than this. We need to stop glorifying mass murderers. We need to provide our citizens with low cost, high quality health care, including mental health treatment, like every other civilized nation does, instead of having a profit-based system that punishes people for seeking help. And we need to stop melding our national identity with gun ownership and acting like that's not one of the main issues.

And caveat. I am not against gun ownership. I've enjoyed shooting. I am not for a gun ban. But we have a culture problem. We've allowed a lobbying group to link gun possession in the American psyche to faith and guts and liberty. To us against them. That has caused a massive uptick in gun ownership, and an increase in ownership of the types of guns that allow for more mass casualties.

When I was a kid most people bought and had regular old handguns and hunting rifles. Now everyone has to have 9 millimeters and AK-everythings as if they're soldiers or cops.

As a result of this national obsession, there is access to dangerous weapons by mentally disturbed people whose relatives, in past years, might have prevented such access. Today, gun ideology has led to people with a troubled child or other relative, stubbornly refusing to limit access because any common sense limit to access of firearms, even voluntary, is considered the taking of a right or the destruction of identity, nowadays, instead of just common sense.

Maybe we need to start seeing more people losing everything they have in lawsuits from victims' families because they had firearms in the home despite knowing "Johnny" was disturbed.

We need to change our culture. Guns are tools or sporting equipment, not a badge of honor or an emblematic symbol of identity. I wish we could go back to where people used guns to hunt and target practice, not to play soldier, militia man, or monster.

BBM. In countries with strict gun control, sporting shooters and hunting is allowed and there are gun ranges for recreational shooters.

 

[PrairieWind]

I would not put it past TX officials to try and cover up the use of an AR-15 type rifle in order to avoid discussion of an assault rifle ban.

He shot 20 people, so that is at least 20 bullets if he hit someone every time. That is crazy accuracy and timing, considering he likely didn't have 20 bullets in the 2 guns allegedly used.

One blast from a shotgun could injure/kill several people. And its pretty easy and quick to reload a shotgun.