TX - pregnant wife unresponsive on life support, husband hopes to fulfill her wishes

[Karmady]

Why a recess when trial only started a short time ago?

Maybe the judge is calling Gov. Rick Perry to see how he wants to handle it now:banghead:

So the court could consider and formulate it's ruling based on the argument it just heard? Happens all the time. jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Jobin Panicker ‏@jobinpnews 29s

The entire Munoz and Machado family was crying after the ruling. #MarliseMunoz



:cry:

Me too!




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[Softail]

Jobin Panicker ‏@jobinpnews 33s
Judge says #MarliseMunoz case does not apply to the state law. "Because she is deceased"

 

[jjenny]

Please cite to cases where a brain dead mother was kept on life support when she was only months pregnant and her body successfully delivered a viable baby after months on life support.

In addition, the difference is that forcing the body to keep hosting the fetus is against the family's wishes. Period.



How not? We've read repeatedly that because Jahi McMath is brain dead and not in a vegetative state, she is legally dead. And not a patient.



I was right! Hopefully the hospital will not drag this out further with an appeal and requests for injunctions. Let this family be! They have suffered enough!

Here. Read this article.
“According to our findings, prolonged [life] support can lead to the delivery of a viable child,” the study said. “Such children can develop normally without any problems resulting from their intrauterine conditions.”

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/01/23/5509465/very-few-medical-precedents-in.html#storylink=cpy

 

[gitana1]

Chicken ^*%€£>


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Not really. There was no reason to. This is an easy one. At least that became clear when I read more about the law and the facts. The lady is dead and thus not a patient.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Not really. There was no reason to. This is an easy one. At least that became clear when I read more about the law and the facts. The lady is dead and thus not a patient.

Thank goodness!
((((Hugs)))) to the family. Now they can lay their loved one to rest and hopefully begin to heal. I can't even begin to imagine the emotional toll this has had on all of them.


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[BeginnersLuck]

Let's say hospital has two women. Both pregnant. One on the left has some brain activity, but is on a ventillator, can not eat on her own, can not communicate. One on the right has no brain activity.
But they are in exact same condition otherwise.
Why some brain activity that doesn't translate into anything else should make all the difference?
The way legislators wrote this law, it doesn't seem they cared about anything else but continuing with the pregnancy.

The law is not being applied properly IMO.

Someone with brain function is not going to deteriorate link someone brain dead. Plus they have to pump the brain dead person with all kinds of meds to make up for what the brain isn't doing. Who knows what that is doing to a fetus. Everything would have to be regulated just perfectly to try and get a normal healthy baby. They are experimenting.

I don't agree with it on someone that is alive but in a vegetative state for instance either, but there is a difference.

Trying to do this where the fetus is so young in gestation is absolutely crazy and immoral. IMO

 

[gitana1]

More than that.

“According to our findings, prolonged [life] support can lead to the delivery of a viable child,” the study said. “Such children can develop normally without any problems resulting from their intrauterine conditions.”

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/01/23/5509465/very-few-medical-precedents-in.html#storylink=cpy

From your link:

While there have been cases in which viable babies were born to brain-dead women on life support that long, they are few.
“There are only one or two [recorded] cases that have lasted as long as what you would hope for your Fort Worth patient,” Spike said Thursday. “One, two or three cases over 20 years. … Instead of saying boldly, ‘We’re going to do this,’ we should be saying, ‘We don’t know if it’s even possible.’
“I would say we won’t have any scientific evidence one way or the other,” Spike said. “In a situation like that, I would call it high risk, and it’s not the kind of decision a doctor should feel comfortable making for the family.”

In a survey of international medical literature from 1982 to 2010, the German researchers found 19 cases of brain-dead women who were put on life support for the purpose of sustaining the fetus. Twelve viable infants were born and survived the neonatal period, the study said.
“According to our findings, prolonged [life] support can lead to the delivery of a viable child,” the study said. “Such children can develop normally without any problems resulting from their intrauterine conditions.”
The authors added, however, that “the number of cases is too small to define the rate at which intensive care support of the brain-dead mother can result in a healthy infant.”
Much also depends on individual circumstances, including periods of oxygen deprivation, gestational age at the time of brain death, and the age of the mother, experts say. In the German study, only three women were sustained as long as would be necessary in Fort Worth. One woman was on life support for 71 days and two others for about 100. Apparently healthy infants were born to all three women.http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/01/23/5509465/very-few-medical-precedents-in.html#storylink=cpy

 

[faw720]

Jobin Panicker @jobinpnews

Judge has ruled to take #MarliseMunoz body OFF life-support.

Must say I am totally shocked!!!!!!!! But I am thankful that Marlise & her baby will finally be able to rest in peace. And hopefully Eric, Mateo, & the rest of the family can start the long long road to recovery. This has been a nightmare that no one should have to endure.

 

[jjenny]

The law is not being applied properly IMO.

Someone with brain function is not going to deteriorate link someone brain dead. Plus they have to pump the brain dead person with all kinds of meds to make up for what the brain isn't doing. Who knows what that is doing to a fetus. Everything would have to be regulated just perfectly to try and get a normal healthy baby. They are experimenting.

I don't agree with it on someone that is alive but in a vegetative state for instance either, but there is a difference.

Trying to do this where the fetus is so young in gestation is absolutely crazy and immoral. IMO

Brain function could be extremely minimal yet the person wouldn't qualify as brain dead.
You'd still have to pump that person up with meds to do what brain isn't doing.

 

[DeeMarie]

Here. Read this article.
“According to our findings, prolonged [life] support can lead to the delivery of a viable child,” the study said. “Such children can develop normally without any problems resulting from their intrauterine conditions.”

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/01/23/5509465/very-few-medical-precedents-in.html#storylink=cpy

Did you read the next line in the article?

"The authors added, however, that “the number of cases is too small to define the rate at which intensive care support of the brain-dead mother can result in a healthy infant.”

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[jjenny]

From your link:

You asked whether it was possible. The answer is clearly YES, it is possible.
I don't know what else to say on the matter.

 

[jjenny]

Did you read the next line in the article?

"The authors added, however, that “the number of cases is too small to define the rate at which intensive care support of the brain-dead mother can result in a healthy infant.”

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And? There aren't that many of these cases to begin with. Obviously it is possible to produce a healthy infant from a brain dead mother, which is what the question was.

 

[Bonnie2487]

Judge orders Fort Worth hospital to remove life support from pregnant, brain-dead woman
Updated at 04:31 PM today

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/state&id=9405575

 

[alwaysonmymind]

A copy of the Judges order:

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[jjenny]

Thank goodness! I hope the hospital drops it!

RIP Mrs. Munoz and baby.

I am surprised they seem so insistent. Usually hospitals aren't so eager to spend a bunch of money keeping brain dead patients on life support. You see the cases like McMath where family wants them kept on but hospital wants to turn them off.
She is dead, so insurance migth refuse to cover anything.

 

[gitana1]

You asked whether it was possible. The answer is clearly YES, it is possible.
I don't know what else to say on the matter.

Yes. You're absolutely right. You have cited to cases that prove it is not only possible, it has been done. I'm acknowledging that and the fact that because there have only been three cases similar to Munoz's case, medical ethicists believe part of what should be asked in such cases is, apparently on an individual basis, is it possible at all?

Thank goodness!
((((Hugs)))) to the family. Now they can lay their loved one to rest and hopefully begin to heal. I can't even begin to imagine the emotional toll this has had on all of them.


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Me either. I am so glad they got a no nonsense judge who was not afraid to make a sensible, compassionate decision for everyone concerned.

 

[faw720]

I am currently listening to the 4pm news. They have given the judge's verdict & that's about all. They do not know if there will be an appeal.

If there are additional details later on I will post links if someone else has not already done so.

 

[gitana1]

I am surprised they seem so insistent. Usually hospitals aren't so eager to spend a bunch of money keeping brain dead patients on life support. You see the cases like McMath where family wants them kept on but hospital wants to turn them off.
She is dead, so insurance migth refuse to cover anything.

I was surprised as well. And the hospital was represented by the district attorney's office. Maybe it has to do with the political affiliations of hospital donors? Or simply personal belief of the hospital's board?

 

[gitana1]

I think Texans can be proud today.