TX TX - President John F. Kennedy, 46, Dallas, 22 Nov 1963

[PrairieWind]

RIP MR Hill. That old interview is such a tough watch. Such a shame he basically turned to drinking to cope with his shame and guilt over not saving Kennedy.

Was glad to see him say later in life he eventually returned to Daly Plaza and found some peace in knowing that the assassin had the advantage that day and that realistically there was not much they could have done to stop it.

The books he wrote and interviews he gave in later life about JFK Jackie and other presidents were always very insightful.

I'll have to find time to watch that.
I know he is a professional and he took his job deadly serious. But, he certainly shouldn't have blamed himself. Whether there was just Oswald or more shooters, there really was nothing the Secret Service could have done. It was a different time. The President insisted on the open limo. You can't put someone in every single office along the route. A sniper always has the advantage.

 

[Deleted member 235284]

I'll have to find time to watch that.
I know he is a professional and he took his job deadly serious. But, he certainly shouldn't have blamed himself. Whether there was just Oswald or more shooters, there really was nothing the Secret Service could have done. It was a different time. The President insisted on the open limo. You can't put someone in every single office along the route. A sniper always has the advantage.

Yes, In one of his interviews and books also, he actually recounts the time when I think it was in Florida when JFK was visiting there and doing a political trip The agents stood on and kept too close to his car at all times when the motorcade there was passing through the crowd. And after this event he brought Hill and the other agents into I think it might even have been the oval office to tell them off and told them for future trips to stand well back because the nature of these trips were political and with the next election coming up he wanted to get the good will and support of places he visited by making sure everyone got a good look at him.

In a way that sealed his own fate.

 

[PrairieWind]

Yes, In one of his interviews and books also, he actually recounts the time when I think it was in Florida when JFK was visiting there and doing a political trip The agents stood on and kept too close to his car at all times when the motorcade there was passing through the crowd. And after this event he brought Hill and the other agents into I think it might even have been the oval office to tell them off and told them for future trips to stand well back because the nature of these trips were political and with the next election coming up he wanted to get the good will and support of places he visited by making sure everyone got a good look at him.

In a way that sealed his own fate.

Yep. Although, I hate to state it that way. JFK wanted to see people. And obviously he didn't think the risk was too high. It is just sad.

 

[arielilane]

@alcaprari23


POTUS just said approximately 80,000 pages of the JFK classified files will be released tomorrow afternoon.


4:25 PM · Mar 17, 2025

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901731544319852566

 

[Betty P]

@alcaprari23


POTUS just said approximately 80,000 pages of the JFK classified files will be released tomorrow afternoon.


4:25 PM · Mar 17, 2025

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901731544319852566

Well, let's see what happens. I'll be watching for it.

 

[PrairieWind]

Well, let's see what happens. I'll be watching for it.

The powers that be sure seem to have a really tough time handing over these documents.

 

[Izzylizzy]

JFK files will be posted here.

"This webpage was created in response to Executive Order 14176, titled “Declassification of Records Concerning the Assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr,” which was signed by President Donald J. Trump on January 23, 2025.

The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection consists of over six million pages of records, photographs, motion pictures, sound recordings, and artifacts.

This webpage will host already-released documents and items within the Collection, and will be the future home of documents and items that will be released."

The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection

On This Page Response to Executive Order 14176 Previous Releases What is Currently Available Online FAQs and Additional Resources Transcription Mission Contact Us This webpage was created in response to Executive Order 14176, titled “Declassification of Records Concerning the...

www.archives.gov

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin


WH Official tells NewsNation the JFK files will be available “later this afternoon.” He wouldn’t give a specific time. Files will be available on the National Archives.

This is the website where we expect the files to be released:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902001948145942797

The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection

On This Page Response to Executive Order 14176 Previous Releases What is Currently Available Online FAQs and Additional Resources Transcription Mission Contact Us This webpage was created in response to Executive Order 14176, titled “Declassification of Records Concerning the...

www.archives.gov

 

[Betty P]

@BrianEntin


WH Official tells NewsNation the JFK files will be available “later this afternoon.” He wouldn’t give a specific time. Files will be available on the National Archives.

This is the website where we expect the files to be released:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902001948145942797

The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection

On This Page Response to Executive Order 14176 Previous Releases What is Currently Available Online FAQs and Additional Resources Transcription Mission Contact Us This webpage was created in response to Executive Order 14176, titled “Declassification of Records Concerning the...

www.archives.gov

I don't know. It's after 6 pm. This might be another false alarm.

 

[Betty P]

I think these are the records. I'm not an expert. It would be great if someone else could verify

JFK Assassination Records - 2025 Documents Release

March 18, 2025 Release In accordance with President Donald Trump’s directive of March 17, 2025, all records previously withheld for classification that are part of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection are released. The National Archives has partnered with agencies...

www.archives.gov

Link to USA Today article from a few minutes ago announcing the release

Trump releases classified files on JFK assassination. Here's what they say.

The release of as many as 80,000 pages of classified files comes after decades of smaller releases of redacted files.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Betty P]

The first several pages seem like fairly routine stuff. The Warren Commission had asked questions of US employees who had knowledge of how the USSR handled the travel of Soviet women visiting the USSR from a foreign country with their foreign born spouses. They wanted to know if it was unusual that the Soviets allowed Marina Oswald to leave the USSR to return with her husband Lee Oswald to the US. This pertains to Oswald living there, then returning to the US in 1959 with his Russian wife. Apparently it was somewhat unusual after reviewing records. Usually, but not always, Russia detained the Soviet born wife, then allowed them to leave sometime later.

There were exceptions and some cases of these type of couples traveling out of USSR to the US together didn't record when the wife left to follow her husband. Many were students.

Oswald and Marina were sort of an exception because he came to the USSR to defect from the US, then changed his mind and was allowed to leave with his Russian born wife. Maybe this implies Oswald was a spy or otherwise helping the USSR to get favored treatment. I doubt that's a surprise. Hasn't it already been established that Oswald was a spy?

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/104-10004-10213.pdf

 

[Richard]

... Hasn't it already been established that Oswald was a spy?...

That certainly has been a question asked many times, but to date it has never been officially confirmed that he was a "spy".

Oswald was certainly an elusive and complicated character.

On one hand, he has been portrayed as a maladjusted "lone nut" who acted out fantasies of a crazed imagination, with absolutely no guidance or association with others.

On the other hand, he has been shown or suspected of connections to the FBI, CIA, Navy Intelligence, the Communist Party, the Mob, right and left wing crazies, the Cubans, thr Russians, etc, etc.

There was some pretty incriminating circumstantial evidence connecting him to the assassination. But... was he the one and only shooter? Were others involved before and afterwards?

Did government agencies engage in any cover up activity? There are many questions which remain unanswered.

 

[Betty P]

That certainly has been a question asked many times, but to date it has never been officially confirmed that he was a "spy".

Oswald was certainly an elusive and complicated character.

On one hand, he has been portrayed as a maladjusted "lone nut" who acted out fantasies of a crazed imagination, with absolutely no guidance or association with others.

On the other hand, he has been shown or suspected of connections to the FBI, CIA, Navy Intelligence, the Communist Party, the Mob, right and left wing crazies, the Cubans, thr Russians, etc, etc.

There was some pretty incriminating circumstantial evidence connecting him to the assassination. But... was he the one and only shooter? Were others involved before and afterwards?

Did government agencies engage in any cover up activity? There are many questions which remain unanswered.

I found it interesting that the Warren Commission asked questions about the way in which USSR allowed Oswald's Russian wife to leave the country with him. That wasn't standard practice at that time. In other cases researched, wives had to remain in USSR for months or even years before they were allowed to leave. In Marina Oswald's case, they must have felt secure in letting her leave. It makes me think they knew that Oswald was working for them and knew they would be monitoring his activities in the US.

Yes, Oswald was an oddball. He was a loose cannon, so to speak. Some people in the USSR ex-pat community in Dallas who knew Oswald felt he may have built up his importance to his wife and possibly felt his marriage was in trouble because he wasn't as powerful and successful in the US as he led her to believe. IDK, it seems rather simplistic to assume Oswald decided to kill JFK just to impress his wife.

Obviously, the CIA and FBI knew of Oswald and what he might be up to. His activities in defecting to USSR and returning, etc. were highly unusual for those times. Americans just didn't do that. He really should have been on everyone's radar. JMO

 

[sunshineray]

So do these newly released files prove the Warren Report was a bunch of hogwash, out and out lies?

 

[StarryStarryNight]

So do these newly released files prove the Warren Report was a bunch of hogwash, out and out lies?

Just my opinion but I doubt these documents are going to contain anything that would prove the Warren Report as hogwash, and frankly I don’t think it’s going to change anybody’s mind on whatever that person thinks about the assassination.
It sounds like it’s mostly information about sketchy CIA and government goings-on at the time which I think we all had already heard about.
Anyway, my point is, that it seems apparent that the report was kept under wraps for so long because it contained information that these CIA operations even existed, not that any of that was involved with Kennedy’s killing. Pretty embarrassing stuff. Amazing what we thought we could get away with that back then. Shameful really.
That being said, the one shooter folks will stay with that and the conspiracy folks, and many have made careers out of this, are going to stick with that scenario.
I have read a good bit over the years about the assassination, both sides of the argument. I don’t claim to be an expert, but my opinion is that Oswald killed him with no help from anyone. A skinny little wannabe communist twerp with average rifle skills pulled it off. Sometimes everything just falls into place and on that day, for Oswald, it did.

Just my opinion

 

[arielilane]

Many who have studied what’s been released so far by the government say the public shouldn’t anticipate any earth-shattering revelations from the newly released documents, but there is still intense interest in details related to the assassination and the events surrounding it.

Some Previously-Classified JFK Files Released

Many who have studied what the government has released so far say the public shouldn’t anticipate any earth-shattering revelations from the newly released documents.

time.com

3/18/2025

 

[Izzylizzy]

Social Security numbers and other private information unmasked in JFK files'

“It’s absolutely outrageous. It’s sloppy, unprofessional,” said former Trump campaign lawyer Joseph diGenova, 80, whose private information was included in the release.'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...information-unmasked-in-jfk-files/ar-AA1BgW14

 

[sunshineray]

Just my opinion but I doubt these documents are going to contain anything that would prove the Warren Report as hogwash, and frankly I don’t think it’s going to change anybody’s mind on whatever that person thinks about the assassination.
It sounds like it’s mostly information about sketchy CIA and government goings-on at the time which I think we all had already heard about.
Anyway, my point is, that it seems apparent that the report was kept under wraps for so long because it contained information that these CIA operations even existed, not that any of that was involved with Kennedy’s killing. Pretty embarrassing stuff. Amazing what we thought we could get away with that back then. Shameful really.
That being said, the one shooter folks will stay with that and the conspiracy folks, and many have made careers out of this, are going to stick with that scenario.
I have read a good bit over the years about the assassination, both sides of the argument. I don’t claim to be an expert, but my opinion is that Oswald killed him with no help from anyone. A skinny little wannabe communist twerp with average rifle skills pulled it off. Sometimes everything just falls into place and on that day, for Oswald, it did.

Just my opinion

I wish there'd been a Congressional investigation back then. It took a Presidential Executive Order to keep Congress and the US Attorney General's office away from an investigation.

I think former CIA director, Allen Dulles, who was muscled out of his job by JFK after the Bay of Pigs was a very odd choice to be on the Commission...and a few of the others too. Lots of things happened during that WC investigation and lots of things, like testimonies, were skipped or not recorded properly (according to the witnesses themselves). Acting CIA director at the time, John McCone, testimony was later found, by the CIA (back in 2015 and now I'm sure other enlightening things have newly come to light), to have deceived the WC.

"...McCone and other senior CIA officials were “complicit” in keeping “incendiary” information from the Warren Commission."

A good article that elaborates...

Yes, the CIA director was part of the JFK assassination cover up

John McCone was long suspected of withholding information from the Warren Commission. Now even the CIA says he did.

www.politico.eu

I still think the Warren Commission stink is still around and likely confirmed again by the newly released files released. I've only read bits and pieces so far. There's a lot of pages!

AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

DBM

 

[sds71]

@HowardMortman


Which Warren Commission member said Secret Service hero Clint Hill was "carousing the night before till all hours of the morning" before JFK Assassination – & what was Clint Hill actually doing?Answer in NEW episode C-SPAN
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