GUILTY TX - Riley 'Baby Grace' Sawyers, 2, brutally murdered, Spring, 24 July 2007

[imthemom]

I can't imagine what this poor baby was thinking, why where is her daddy, why is mommy not helping me. She was only 2. My DD just turned 3 and is really speaking in sentences but I know she could not even remember to say yes sir. Some children can't even talk at 2 1/2 much less remember to say yes sir. We see this time and time again people expecting so much out of babyies such as potty training a 1 year old. This is just sick, they are babies.

 

[Indigo]

I am heartbroken for the Sawyers-they tried to work through the court system without any idea how urgent it was for them to recover Riley. Imagine how they are kicking themselves for not having taken the law into their own hands and wishing they had simply followed Kim to Texas and taken Riley back.

This is the fatal flaw in the court system that doesn't know how to deal with "non-traditional families" ie families that are not wedded, so custody is not clear. Solutions cannot be one size fits all, in that the courts HAVE to take the time to find out who cares for the child and who participates in raising the child before custody is assigned to one or the other parent. It doesn't appear that Robert Sawyers abandoned his child or family-he may have indeed grabbed Kim around the throat...who knows. Unfortunately, it appears that the RO was a set up so that Kim had enough time to plan to exit with her lover...and with little Riley in tow. It was an ownership issue, as was previously stated I think...although Riley appears to have been beautifully cared for prior to leaving Ohio. I bet Kim found her a handful on her own with no Grandma Sawyer and Grandparents Treynor to alleviate her time with Riley.

Such an ugly story...

My heart breaks for the Sawyers family more than I can even express. They were in such a complicated position. Here they were having to fight to see their own child/grandchild right at the time when another was coming into the world. They must have been overwhelmed. The birth of Riley's little brother must have come fairly close to the time that Riley went missing.

 

[imthemom]

A chronicle of the Sawyers family's ongoing turmoil-- from the Plain Dealer News:





Riley's short life

Tuesday, November 27, 2007

March 11, 2005: Riley Sawyers is born in Mentor to Kimberly Trenor and Robert Sawyers.

March 30, 2007: Robert Sawyers is arrested for domestic violence after Trenor calls police and says he grabbed her throat because she parked in his space in the driveway.

April 12: Sawyers is ordered by Lake County Domestic Court to stay away from Trenor.

May 25: Trenor agrees to give Sawyers custody of Riley every Wednesday and every other weekend.

May 29: Sawyers files a claim that Trenor failed to give him Riley. Trenor's father, Randall Trenor, says his daughter and Riley are in Canton and will return in June.

June 1: Kimberly Trenor and Riley move to Texas, where Trenor, 19, moves in with Royce Clyde Zeigler II, 24, who she met on the Internet.

More of the story at this link:
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/lake/119615633599510.xml&coll=2

From this time line were Riley's parents still together in March of 2007? So she lived in Texas with Kimberly and Royce for less than 2 months and she was dead. Doesn't Riley's dad have a wife and another baby now. If they were still together he would have gotten someone pregnant when he was still with Kimberly? Not sure where I am going with this but it takes 9 months to have a baby.

 

[interestedmom]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/26/body.found.arrest/index.html
I wasn't sure if this story had been posted yet. Royce Zeigler claims the "mother" is innocent and is not guilty of the sins he commited. When you sit by and allow someone to abuse you child and murder them, then allow them to hide the body in your shed, the let someone throw the baby in the ocean in my eyes you are just as guilty. I hope they both rot in hell.

I agree 100%..... whether she physically laid a hand on that baby does not matter! She was just as guilty to see her child being abused by some fat nasty man and to not do a thing about it. By standing there watching it, I hope she gets just the same punishment as him! I can't imagine but wonder what that poor baby was thinking as she looked at her mom just watching this!!!! Sick M*****F*****'s!!!!!! (sorry, it really gets me going!)

 

[interestedmom]

I am so unbelievably angry over this. :furious: :furious: :furious:

First, what kind of a person takes off work to enforce a "discipline plan" on a 2 year old BABY??????????

That's right, Riley was a BABY!!!!! A baby, not a pre-schooler, not a teenager, not an adult. She was a BABY! This monster's expectations of what a 2 year old should and should not being doing were ridiculously unrealistic!!! :furious: Expecting a 2 year old to answer "yes sir, no sir"?????

I'm shaking and so f#@%ing furious over this. I want to personally beat these two monsters over and over and over again so they can feel some of the pain they inflicted on this sweet baby.

I agree with the poster that said they would personally get up each day and beat these people and submerse their heads in cold water. :clap: I'm right there with you.

I don't think I want the death penalty in this case. I don't want them protected from the general population of prison. I want them thrown in and labeled "BABY KILLERS" and be beaten and their heads shoved in toilets and anything else I can imagine.

Sorry for my tirade. This kind of behavior towards children has got to stop. Why do some people think they have the right to torture and kill the most precious thing on earth???? I'm sickened, mad, hurt, angry, furious. I'm feeling emotions I didn't know I could feel. I feel RAGE.

These two monsters tortured Riley for 6 hours and then put her body in a storage container that they went shopping for after her death. Then they stored her tiny broken body in their garage for months. Meanwhile, they are going on about their lives and creating another one. :furious: Then the throw Riley's body over the Galveston Causeway in hopes that it will never be seen again. But lo and behold, Riley is found and Texas and the rest of the world won't rest until a name is put to the little angel named "Baby Grace". We also won't rest until there is justice for Riley Ann Sawyers!!!!!!!!!

Then poor Ziegler tries to kill himself before Thanksgiving. Boo hoo. He wasn't remorseful about what he did to Riley, he was afraid of getting caught. Now this woman, who doesn't deserve the title of "Mother" says she was afraid of him. :furious: Boo hoo. I have zero sympathy for either one of you. You are nothing more than BABY KILLERS and I hope your souls someday rot in the bowels of hell. :furious:

I can only hope that when this goes to trial that it's moved to my county and I am picked for jury duty.

Very well said and I am right there with you and your thoughts!:clap: They are piss poor excuses for human beings and need the same done to them and then some! OH, how I would love to put my hands on those 2!!!! I look at my daughter everyday and think "there is no way". My fiance is a very good man and I know would not do this and if I had the fear that he would, he'd be gone. But, that's the strength that I have. No man in this world will EVER do that to my child. I'm a firm believer in discipline, however, not that discipline!!!!
All the poor, lame excuses they are both trying to give.......:boohoo: I don't care! There is no excuse!!!!!!

 

[kk's mom]

I can't imagine what this poor baby was thinking, why where is her daddy, why is mommy not helping me. She was only 2. My DD just turned 3 and is really speaking in sentences but I know she could not even remember to say yes sir. Some children can't even talk at 2 1/2 much less remember to say yes sir. We see this time and time again people expecting so much out of babyies such as potty training a 1 year old. This is just sick, they are babies.

I live in a duplex next to a "early 30's coulple" who are newly married (a couple of years). She has a son (9) from a previous marriage. She yells at him alot (you can hear of course because of the walls) and he has to address her with "yes mam", "no mam", or "yes sir", "no sir" (stepfather). I can't ever imagine forcing a child to answer that way. Yes, it may seem respectful to some, but to me, it sounds like bullying. My daughter called me yesterday to tell me she heard the mom yelling at the little boy, saying "I have owned you for 9 years". Who talks to a child that way? I will tell you one thing, I ever hear anything where I think that child is in danger, I will call 911.

 

[2sisters]

A disipline plan on a 2 year old? ok whatever. i have 2 getting ready to turn 2 and they do not listen, they misbehave, they are loud and obnoxious BUT they are getting where the respnd to no and are getting to listen. It doesn't happen overnight, it just takes day in and day out saying no and getting their attention non violently. For christsakes, toddlers are so stubborn and don't listen to anything, how is the world will a 6 hour torture session help?

 

[2sisters]

I LOVE how his defense called him a big teddy bear. :furious:
I am not sure I can even keep reading this thread.

 

[comfort80]

I can't imagine what this poor baby was thinking, why where is her daddy, why is mommy not helping me. She was only 2. My DD just turned 3 and is really speaking in sentences but I know she could not even remember to say yes sir. Some children can't even talk at 2 1/2 much less remember to say yes sir. We see this time and time again people expecting so much out of babyies such as potty training a 1 year old. This is just sick, they are babies.

my 22 month old son, says please, thank you, and your welcome, but he learned that all on his own, i would never have forced him to say that, let alone yes sir/no sir.
something needs to be done to protect our children. i live in a blended family, me, my DD from a previous relationship, DH and DS. My DD and DH don't get along, but i can also say it is very hard for anyone to get along with DD, at 14yrs old, she is very strong willed, and not very respectful. BUT if he ever hit her, the next hit he'd take would be from him hitting the ground.

 

[imthemom]

I live in a duplex next to a "early 30's coulple" who are newly married (a couple of years). She has a son (9) from a previous marriage. She yells at him alot (you can hear of course because of the walls) and he has to address her with "yes mam", "no mam", or "yes sir", "no sir" (stepfather). I can't ever imagine forcing a child to answer that way. Yes, it may seem respectful to some, but to me, it sounds like bullying. My daughter called me yesterday to tell me she heard the mom yelling at the little boy, saying "I have owned you for 9 years". Who talks to a child that way? I will tell you one thing, I ever hear anything where I think that child is in danger, I will call 911.

Good for you for listening, keep your eyes open. My son is 9 and I have also talked to him with respect and he has learned to speak with respect that way. You can't tell a child to do something and then you don't do it yourself. When you tell a child to respect you but you don't respect them that is exactly what they are doing.

 

[2sisters]

my 22 month old son, says please, thank you, and your welcome, but he learned that all on his own, i would never have forced him to say that, let alone yes sir/no sir.

Exactly, they pick up cues from you! my husband and I try to be polite to others, are respectful to waiters and other service workers and speak to each other respectfully(not all the time, neither of us are perfect and we do argue) Mine occasionaly say please when they want something and say "tankoo" for thanks if something is handed to them that they want, they say bye and hi and know what a phone is for and how it works, they hand it to us if it rigns. yet, my son still pees in the bathwater and then tries to drink the water after me repeatedly saying no every night. Most things are all learned behavior, not something you can force in a 6 hour tourture session. A toddler is a funny stubborn thingYou get nothing out of toddlers with spanking and violence.

 

[colomom]

~snip~ A toddler is a funny stubborn thingYou get nothing out of toddlers with spanking and violence.

Nothing except.....fear.

 

[PaperDoll]

I LOVE how his defense called him a big teddy bear. :furious:
I am not sure I can even keep reading this thread.

I know, WTF? geeez, a big teddy bear doesn't kill.. He's a big fat ... and I do mean FAT !!!! :behindbar

I also told myself I wasn't going to read or get involved in this case because it gets my blood boiling.. Here I am, getting my blood boiling... I have NO compassion for these parents.. NONE, NADA, ZILCH!! NONE! These defense lawyers really get me too.. I don't think I could ever defend people like this... they both deserve death, IMO...

 

[Reannan]

Being from the South, I was raised to say "Yes, Mam", "No, Sir", etc., and I have raised my children to be respectful in the same way. You can't raise someone to be polite and respectful by beating them with belts and terrorizing them with tubs of cold water!!! If my child says "Uh, huh", or ""yea" to me or other adults, I simply pat them on the shoulder and say "Yes Mam" with a nod and a wink to them.....that way, I don't embarass them in front of other people either. I have found one of the best places to discuss manners and other large life issues is in the bathtub. I was bathing my 7 year old the other night, and as I was washing her hair, she asked me a question about "why drugs are bad". We had a wonderful, long discussion about drugs and why it is wrong to take them. I explained to her that someday soon, she will be old enough for her friends to offer them to her, and we discussed what she should say, and why they are so horrible. She knows I do the true crime stuff, and she has frequently heard me discuss my hatred for drugs. I always emphasize to her that drugs will steal your soul and that a lot of the people who have committed unspeakable acts of evil have done so because their souls are numbed and lost from the drugs they have taken. She seems to get it. I sure hope so.

 

[2sisters]

Nothing except.....fear.

You are absolutley right.

 

[glezell]

Being from the South, I was raised to say "Yes, Mam", "No, Sir", etc., and I have raised my children to be respectful in the same way. You can't raise someone to be polite and respectful by beating them with belts and terrorizing them with tubs of cold water!!! If my child says "Uh, huh", or ""yea" to me or other adults, I simply pat them on the shoulder and say "Yes Mam" with a nod and a wink to them.....that way, I don't embarass them in front of other people either. I have found one of the best places to discuss manners and other large life issues is in the bathtub. I was bathing my 7 year old the other night, and as I was washing her hair, she asked me a question about "why drugs are bad". We had a wonderful, long discussion about drugs and why it is wrong to take them. I explained to her that someday soon, she will be old enough for her friends to offer them to her, and we discussed what she should say, and why they are so horrible. She knows I do the true crime stuff, and she has frequently heard me discuss my hatred for drugs. I always emphasize to her that drugs will steal your soul and that a lot of the people who have committed unspeakable acts of evil have done so because their souls are numbed and lost from the drugs they have taken. She seems to get it. I sure hope so.

I agree, being from the south, I was raised to say yes sir/yes ma'am as second nature. My 3 year old is learning the same. It is not something we force on her but we constantly remind her to say please, thank you, yes ma'am. Sometimes she remembers on her own and we have been complimented at how polite she is, and other times she doesn't remember and like you said, we quietly remind her "now what do you say?" and she remembers and we go on. But we are consistent and one day it will be second nature. We don't expect her to say it in a drill type manner, just a simple "would you like a glass of water?" "yes sir."

I have not been able to bring myself to post on this case before now. I am simply too heartbroken for Riley and how she must have pleaded to her mother for help. I am so thankful they are in Texas!

 

[JanetElaine]

From this time line were Riley's parents still together in March of 2007? So she lived in Texas with Kimberly and Royce for less than 2 months and she was dead. Doesn't Riley's dad have a wife and another baby now. If they were still together he would have gotten someone pregnant when he was still with Kimberly? Not sure where I am going with this but it takes 9 months to have a baby.

What I understood in the beginning of this case is that Kim and Riley still lived with Robert's mom, but they weren't a couple anymore. Not sure if he still lived there too or not, but I'm pretty sure I remember they broke up after they had Riley, but she and the baby remained living with his mom.

Maybe someone else remembers this too and even has a link.... lol.

 

[Jules]

In my wildest nightmare, I can't imagine getting into a car, going to Walmart, and shopping for a plastic container large enough to hold my child.

The thing that freaked me out is that is the Walmart we shop at. It's very near us. I don't think I'll be able to walk in those doors again.

 

[kk's mom]

I live in a duplex next to a "early 30's coulple" who are newly married (a couple of years). She has a son (9) from a previous marriage. She yells at him alot (you can hear of course because of the walls) and he has to address her with "yes mam", "no mam", or "yes sir", "no sir" (stepfather). I can't ever imagine forcing a child to answer that way. Yes, it may seem respectful to some, but to me, it sounds like bullying. My daughter called me yesterday to tell me she heard the mom yelling at the little boy, saying "I have owned you for 9 years". Who talks to a child that way? I will tell you one thing, I ever hear anything where I think that child is in danger, I will call 911.

I should probably rephrase what I said. I think when childen use "yes ma'am", "no sir", etc., when being respectful to parents, others, then that is a child taught well. My daugther says "yes please", "no thank you", etc. She holds the door open for others, say's thank you when someone holds a door open for her, etc.

But to instill fear in a child when disciplining, yelling, etc. and forcing them to answer, "yes ma'am", "yes sir", etc., then that is when I have a problem with it. I can hear my neighbor screaming at her son, telling him how sick she is of him, how screwed up he is, etc. and then yelling at him "do you understand me???" . When he says just "yes", and then you can hear her screaming at him again "you answer me yes ma'am", then that's when I have a problem with it.
I hope that makes sense.

 

[paddy01]

My first time on W/S. This is a terrible tragedy, reminds me of my Mother & stepfather. My sisters & I could not understand why our Mom could just stand by & let this man abuse us. I am 58 yrs. & still don't understand. I hope & pray that they both get a death sentence.