TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #1

[human]

As a teacher, we have students and parents that do all kinds of nasty things.

But guess what? We have to treat the parents with respect in order to gain cooperation for their child's education.

And we have to find the positive things in each child so we can work on a good future. These are the same people LE sees.

I don't have to arrest them. I just have to be their partner in education.

As teachers we see it all day after day.

 

[jslk]

I'm a teacher too, human [emoji4]

I'm still confused about the timeline. Can anyone help/give me a link please? When was the mugshot taken and when and why did she change out of her clothes? When did she make the phonecalls? And sorry this has probably been answered but why in heck is she in custody 3 days after this?! Is she going to be up in front of a judge? What exactly has she been charged with? I'm in the UK and things are a bit different here (but we do still have people die in police custody). [emoji17]

 

[arkansasmimi]

Never mind just finished watching entire video. Yes of course he ran a QW and some or all of it was done by his onboard computer.
Of course he has reason to suspect she may be under the influence.
It all goes south when she cops the attitude about putting out the cigarette. [Sure cigs kill but this was unprecedented.
And that's my own opinion based on being a smoker and having family/friends die from cancer.]
I am so very sorry she chose to respond that way and I am so very sorry she carried the records of previous arrests w/her.
See if you've ever been arrested for DUI/DWI that comes up on the computer. It follows.
I'm not trying to justify the attitude he had but IMO something alerted him whilst back @his own car.
Did he have the right to ask her to step out of her car? Absolutely.
Time teaches us to try to respect those in authority. There are cops who are "rotten" just like there are "rotten" clergy, teachers, magistrates, mailmen, etc.
We have to hope against all odds that we can trust in our fellow man.
Lately that trust seems questionable. On many different sides of the proverbial coin.
If these things continue to incite riots and the such we are doomed as a society/culture.
Honestly.
My opinion counts as much as any for the supreme court tells me so.
I am so very sorry she decided that killing herself was even a reasonable way out.
She was, by her own accounts, very active in being suspicious of LE.
Was it a self-fulfilling prophecy?
If it was, IMO, it was the wrong way and the wrong time.
We don't need this Union divided, but some seem to think that we do.
JMHO and all of that and not intended to offend, rant off

:goodpost: He also asked her what's wrong when he had first walked to the passenger side, to request her DL/insurance.

 

[arkansasmimi]

The video shows a totally different personality of his with the stop right before her. He is so accommodating,almost groveling.

The person in the prior stop was also acting different than SB was. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

Did you watch the video? He dragged her out of the frame. He was yanking her around by her handcuffs, and she was complaining that he was hurting her wrists.

Respectfully BBM, actually, he was trying to get her handcuffed, she wasn't complying you can see part of that at one time were she is flinging around to the right of her veh.

 

[katydid23]

As a teacher, we have students and parents that do all kinds of nasty things.

But guess what? We have to treat the parents with respect in order to gain cooperation for their child's education.

And we have to find the positive things in each child so we can work on a good future. These are the same people LE sees.

I don't have to arrest them. I just have to be their partner in education.

As teachers we see it all day after day.

I worked in the schools for many years. I go see friends there occasionally. My teacher friends are just thrilled and amazed at the great level of respect for authority that students show teachers and administrators these days. It is very inspiring.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Austin York ‏@realAustinYork 5m5 minutes ago
#SandraBland M.E. found 30 cut marks on her left arm in a state of healing. Most likely done 2 to 4 weeks prior to incident

I wonder if that could have been why he asks if she is ok, when he goes up to the drivers side, 30 marks on her left arm would be visible from where he was standing, especially if still in healing stage. I guess depends upon where were at. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

I don't usually think about a turn signal for a fire truck unless someone is behind me that needs to know to move one way or the other so I can get out of the way.
I think for police it would depend on their speed and how fast they came up behind me as to whether I would move out of the way fast or flip my signal and then move over to another lane.
I get you about being super cautious though so as not to get a ticket.
It seemed to me in this instance he came up on her fairly fast and then slowed down once he was behind her. It could be her perception that he was tailgating but the speeding up to get behind her was in the video. IMO

She had just rolled on thru a stop sign only slowing down in her turn, right in front of him. Thats when he did the U-turn, she got his attention. That's why he sped up to her, feel sure to see her plates and run. She knew she had ran the stop sign, although neither one one spoke of it, they both knew as well as anyone who watches the dash cam that it happened.

We know now she was under the influence and that she didn't regard LEO in a positive regard. Something gave the officer reason to ask her is she ok/what wrong (have to look back over my notes which from passenger side). JMHO

 

[Elley Mae]

Austin York ‏@realAustinYork 5m5 minutes ago
#SandraBland M.E. found 30 cut marks on her left arm in a state of healing. Most likely done 2 to 4 weeks prior to incident

Thanks Popsicle I missed this, I would have to say YES to suicidal tendencies. jmo

 

[vinayd]

This cop is a joke and all the defense of his behavior is unreal. She was giving what he was dishing and when he knew she wasn't backing down the guy pauses and thinks of what he can do to irritate her... He asks her if she would mind putting out her cigarette. Downhill from there he slams his clip board on her hood and threatens her out the car. If he felt she was under the influence his statement would have been a great time to bring this up.
If her cigarette was a weapon we all need to know this so we aren't lit up during a routine stop.

 

[Dénouement]

Can anyone find the statistics for women hanging themselves as a method of suicide versus the other methods?

 

[arkansasmimi]

To be technical he did not ask her to put out her cigarette his words were, would you mind putting the cigarette out? That is a question not an order. I have never been asked to put out my cigarette while getting a ticket. He gave her a choice and didn't like her response.


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Respectfully BBM, actually, @9:17 http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-new-sandra-bland-video--20150722-story.html#page=1
Officer: "you mind putting out your cigarette, please, if you don't mind"

SB : I'm in my car, why do I have to put out my cigarette

Officer: Well you can step on out now

SB: I don't have to step out of my car

Officer: Step out of the car

Goes down hill from there....


Your comment to this comment quoted

Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettScarpetta View Post
No.. he was getting ready to hand her the ticket and he asked her to put her cigarette out because its a flipping weapon.. Or potential one. Every cop will ask you to put out your cigarette. That is all he asked and she blew up and started acting like a brat. She brought the arrest on. He was not even giving her a ticket. Just a warning.

 

[popsicle]

Can anyone find the statistics for women hanging themselves as a method of suicide versus the other methods?

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide

 

[Elley Mae]

Can anyone find the statistics for women hanging themselves as a method of suicide versus the other methods?

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/9/07-043489/en/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22130898

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10873184

 

[Elley Mae]

I have to say that I too was pulled over years ago. I was told that I didn't come to a complete stop at a four (4) way stop. I was two (2) blocks from my house so I went there. It was at the end of the day, about 6:00. The week before I was at kings dominion for the weekend with my daughter, she was about 6 years old at the time. With that being said I had changed out my purse for a fanny pack(snap around the waist pouch) and did not transfer over my registration for my car. As I was looking for my registration he saw my cigs and said to me that I shouldn't smoke because it would stunt my growth. I was 5'7" and he looked up at me, he was maybe 5'6". It took all I had not to say something. He would not allow me to go in my home (I was parked in front of it) to get the registration out of my purse. So I did not get a ticket for going through a stop, I got a ticket for not having my registration. I could have caused a scene about that and the fact that he scolded me for smoking but I let it go. And I paid the ticket, it wasn't worth missing work at the time. jmo All she had to do was put the cig out. jmo idk

 

[arkansasmimi]

It was a small trash can liner. It is standard procedure in many cells. It was not large enough to 'hang' herself like a noose or anything. She basically strangled herself with it, and was standing, when found. Sorry to type all that--just trying to clarify.


I understand the need for trash can liners. It would get very filthy, unhealthy not to have them.

From looking at the pictures from the jail cell, it does not appear to be a small trash liner. I am referencing the large gray trashcan. I am not sure if that was in the cell with her or afterwards, but that is my reference. Even if it were a wastebasket size, you could still manipulate it to be lg enough to do damage.

The bag only had to be large enough to go around her neck and tie. The Y shaped metal pole that the wall giving privacy to the toilet area is what I have seen alluded to that she was hanging from. Her body weight would pull her down cutting off the oxygen supply/choke very shortly. That's where the face to face contact every so often comes in, so that there is only a small time frame for something to go wrong with out notice. I don't understand having the plastic bags in a jail cell, period, let alone one where the inmate is per department rules (maybe its state cant remb) but if they are in for assault they are not to be with another inmate in same cell. That trash bag could be also used as a weapon to a guard. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

The photo I saw was an industrial trashbag (large, see-thru) over a black bag in the trashcan. The ligature photo was of a clear trashbag twisted into a noose. Apparently the cell could hold several women, but she must have been alone, as there seem to be no witnesses. Not too much to throw out, since personal items are taken at booking. Not a good idea to leave any trashbag, let alone a strong industrial-type one in a cell with a person who is clearly depressed, and has acknowledged a previous suicide attempt. JMO

My same thoughts on the trashbag, thats what I saw also.

Respectfully bbm, here reason she was alone in her cell from transcript from Waller County Sheriff Office

At 8:18 p.m., Ms Bland was placed into cell #95, which is a housing area for females. Ms. Bland was placed into this cell alone based on the charge classification which separates her from other inmates. https://www.facebook.com/wallercountysheriff/posts/864508540284960

 

[arkansasmimi]

Very interesting and easy to understand about hanging. Forensic Pathology
http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/asphyxia/hanging

Ligature: A suicide will use any article readily available for the purpose, like a rope, metallic chains and wires, leather strap, belt, bed sheet, scarf, dhoti, saree, turban, sacred thread, etc. ...

Symptoms: The first symptoms are loss or power and subjective sensations, such as flashes of light and ringing and hissing noises in the ears. There is intense mental confusion, all power of to logical thought is lost; the individual can do nothing to help himself even if it were possible. These are followed by loss of consciousness, which is so rapid, that it is regarded as a painless form of death. Then follows a stage of convulsions. The face is distorted and livid, eyes prominent , and there is a violent struggling. Respiration stops before the heart, which may continue to beat for about 10 to 15 minutes.

Causes of Death:

Asphyxia:
Asphyxia: The constricting force of the ligature, causes compressive narrowing of laryngeal and tracheal lumina, and forces up the root of the tongue against the posterior wall of the pharynx, and folds the epiglottis over the entrances of the larynx to block the airway. A tension of 15 kg. on ligature blocks the trachea. narrowing of laryngeal and tracheal lumina, and forces up the root of the tongue against the posterior wall of the pharynx, and folds the epiglottis over the entrances of the larynx to block the airway. A tension of 15 kg. on ligature blocks the trachea.

 

[popsicle]

Very interesting and easy to understand about hanging. Forensic Pathology
http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/asphyxia/hanging

L'Wren Scott used a scarf on the doorknob.

 

[PeggyAnnMcKay]

I wonder if that could have been why he asks if she is ok, when he goes up to the drivers side, 30 marks on her left arm would be visible from where he was standing, especially if still in healing stage. I guess depends upon where were at. JMHO

If that were the case, I would expect him to act in a compassionate, supportive and understanding manner. He didn't, and therefore I discount this theory.