TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #1

[arkansasmimi]

I find it interesting that the publics reaction, and this thread, has gone from ' there's NO WAY she would have ever killed herself' to now saying " HOW could the cops not know she was a suicide risk?'

In her paperwork, she said, in ONE question that she had attempted to OD on pills after she lost a baby last year. Then she was asked if she felt suicidal CURRENTLY, and she said NO. And in the other question about ever tried suicide before, she also said NO.

So I believe that after speaking to her, the mental health worker did not think she was suicidal. It was a judgement call. It turned out to be wrong. but even her friends and family thought she was not a suicide risk.

Sunny Hostin is on CNN right now saying they should have had her checked on every 15 minutes and it is systemic racism that prevented that level of care. :facepalm: Two days ago she was saying it was racist to even consider that a young, vibrant black activist would even consider suicide.

:ditto:

 

[cady]

Regardless, ticket, warning, whatever, all he had to do was have her sign it, and send her on her way. Then he would have been safe from this dangerous woman armed with her cigarette. Instead he chose to escalate it, and for that he is now on desk duty. So apparently his supervisors don't agree with your version.

I hope that they took his taser toy away so that the next person he feels disrespected by doesn't get threatened with a "I'll light you up"......Good freaking grief!!!! JMO

 

[PeggyAnnMcKay]

I find it a bit mind boggling that supporters of this "peace" officer are holding Ms. Bland to a higher standard of expected behavior, than the officer who was sworn in to protect the citizens and uphold the law. I'm trying so hard to get out of my own head and see it from another point of view, and I just can't see how anyone can support this trooper's behavior. He was so clearly in the wrong, and he's the one who is theoretically supposed to be above reproach. Not the other way around.

 

[EllieBee]

I'm with Kim Kardashian on this one #massivecoverup

BBM.....
And other statements I will bet you never thought you'd utter......

 

[Curious Guy]

I find it a bit mind boggling that supporters of this "peace" officer are holding Ms. Bland to a higher standard of expected behavior, than the officer who was sworn in to protect the citizens and uphold the law. I'm trying so hard to get out of my own head and see it from another point of view, and I just can't see how anyone can support this trooper's behavior. He was so clearly in the wrong, and he's the one who is theoretically supposed to be above reproach. Not the other way around.

I think most in this thread have agreed that the LEO acted less than professional. Unfortunately IMO the victim's past activism/attitude towards white LE added to his bad behavior caused the situation to escalate quickly.

Very sad that a routine traffic stop leads to the death of a young woman. I just hope now that it's apparent it was a suicide all the crazy conspiracy theories will subside. However,I fear that's asking too much from some of the same tired bad actors.


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[cady]

BBM.....
And other statements I will bet you never thought you'd utter......

LOL KK is definitely opposed to cover-ups. JMO

 

[PeggyAnnMcKay]

LOL KK is definitely opposed to cover-ups. JMO

Ha! I see what you did there...

 

[arkansasmimi]

I give up on trying to make sure I read every post before I post.


I'd say we should fire them or make them commit victimless crimes. (sorry, I know this is a serious subject)

On a more serious note; I wonder if anyone has checked to see if she had a prescription for medical marijuana. I'm pretty sure it's legal in Illinois now, and I know there are people who swear that it helps control their epilepsy. I think I'll continue to sit on my hands about the more controversial subjects for now.

MOO

Respectfully BBM, as to if she had a a prescription for medical marijuana, if she did, she didn't acknowledge it on her list of medications. We do know that she have a few prior convictions for having illegal marijuana. She wasn't arrested for DUI, but from the autopsy we are told she had marijuana in her system. We don't know the amount or any other Tox at this time. JMHO

 

[cady]

I have heard several different versions of the "cuts". I heard 30 cuts on her arms 30 cuts on her arm and 30 cuts on her LEFT WRIST, some still in healing process. OK. which is it? First of all, they would be hard to miss seeing. Especially if on the wrist. I do believe that there must be scars, but I just cannot believe that they were not noticed until autopsy. Medical intake question about obvious scars was answered NO. What IS the deal? JMO

 

[EllieBee]

I have to say that I too was pulled over years ago. I was told that I didn't come to a complete stop at a four (4) way stop. I was two (2) blocks from my house so I went there. It was at the end of the day, about 6:00. The week before I was at kings dominion for the weekend with my daughter, she was about 6 years old at the time. With that being said I had changed out my purse for a fanny pack(snap around the waist pouch) and did not transfer over my registration for my car. As I was looking for my registration he saw my cigs and said to me that I shouldn't smoke because it would stunt my growth. I was 5'7" and he looked up at me, he was maybe 5'6". It took all I had not to say something. He would not allow me to go in my home (I was parked in front of it) to get the registration out of my purse. So I did not get a ticket for going through a stop, I got a ticket for not having my registration. I could have caused a scene about that and the fact that he scolded me for smoking but I let it go. And I paid the ticket, it wasn't worth missing work at the time. jmo All she had to do was put the cig out. jmo idk

I was driving home from a friend's house one night- late-ish, but not late. Maybe 11 pm.

The road was a narrow two-lane that was very curvy with a lake on one side and a high hill on the other. No one else on the road. I am totally sober and not at all tired. But I am driving slowly (speed limit is 35, for good reason).

A car gets right up on my tail and the lights are blinding me. My car was a low-slung two-seater so the other car's headlights were bouncing off my rear-view.

Blinded and a little nervous as a woman alone at night, I slow down even more, abd as I got into town, I pulled over in the lot of a closed gas station to let the other car pass me. Turns out it was a police car.

The officer wanted to know why I was driving so slow (I told him I was going the speed limit, then slowed because his lights were blinding me), and why I pulled over (told him because I did not know he was the police and since he was tailing me so close, I wanted to let him pass so I could see to drive home). He just kept asking me "well why were you scared?" (Um DUH!!), and "why were you having trouble seeing?", like I hadn't already answered him! And he was kind of smirky like he thought it was ridiculous that I was afraid of being blinded on a dangerous road.

I had to get out of my car (which now I know I will NEVER do again), and take a field sobriety test, which I passed no problem. I was furious because my "erratic" driving was because I had another driver behaving in an aggressive and unsafe manner and potentially jeopardizing MY safety, but since the other driver was the officer that was making me take a sobriety test, I stifled myself.

I was let go with no apologies, no acknowledgement that he was tailgating me on a dangerous two-lane lakeshore road- nothing. He seemed almost disappointed that I wasn't drunk. I think he wanted me to get angry which is why he kept asking the same stuff over and over, and probably why he made me walk the line.

That said, I was very young and was not aware that just because a cop does/says it, does not make it right. Nor was I mature enough or knowledgeable enough to assert my rights and not comply with a request that I am under no legal obligation to follow. And just because an officer DOES get a rise out of someone (which I think was the case with SB), does not mean a law has been broken.

Yes, in my case I choked back my anger, but why should any citizen have to endure being picked on and hassled just because the bully wears a badge? Poppycock.

 

[arkansasmimi]

She was not arrested for a warrant. She was arrested for disrespecting a cop who pulled her over for failing to use her turn signal.

Respectfully BBM, Sandra Bland was arrested for "ASSAULT ON A PUBLIC SERVANT" bottom of page 1 http://documents.latimes.com/booking-documents-sandra-bland/

 

[sloane7777]

It was a small trash can liner. It is standard procedure in many cells. It was not large enough to 'hang' herself like a noose or anything. She basically strangled herself with it, and was standing, when found. Sorry to type all that--just trying to clarify.


I understand the need for trash can liners. It would get very filthy, unhealthy not to have them.

I'm honestly surprised, , I am not even sure I've seen a trash can in a jail cell, I have seen them give a tray thru the slot and return for it and the trash that's on it , The news fox 4 stated this morning that the med examiner says she was hung, here's CNN they say hanging too ? how do you strangle yourself ??? I'm not being a smarty pants I just really don't know how you would keep the pressure on until death without releasing????

and if it was not big enough to hang her why does it say she hung herself practically everywhere???

 

[EllieBee]

I have heard several different versions of the "cuts". I heard 30 cuts on her arms 30 cuts on her arm and 30 cuts on her LEFT WRIST, some still in healing process. OK. which is it? First of all, they would be hard to miss seeing. Especially if on the wrist. I do believe that there must be scars, but I just cannot believe that they were not noticed until autopsy. Medical intake question about obvious scars was answered NO. What IS the deal? JMO

I am inclined to think it was sloppy note-taking. But who knows? Maybe the "cutting" marks were very faint? Or maybe they don't exist?

So much about this makes my head spin.

 

[EllieBee]

Respectfully BBM, Sandra Bland was arrested for "ASSAULT ON A PUBLIC SERVANT" bottom of page 1 http://documents.latimes.com/booking-documents-sandra-bland/ View attachment 78654

The officer himself said the she was under arrest from the moment he pulled her over. So how did she assault him from inside her own vehicle, with him insideof his cruiser?

Surely the officer wouldn't lie.

 

[cady]

I am inclined to think it was sloppy note-taking. But who knows? Maybe the "cutting" marks were very faint? Or maybe they don't exist?

So much about this makes my head spin.

I suspect that the observers were not observant. So much for Med intake. Those scars were a red flag, for a potential suicide. JMO

 

[EllieBee]

Another thought (too much coffee, sorry)-

My opinion is that the officer was not asking SB if she was ok out of concern for her well-being nor because he thought her impaired. I get the feeling it was more like "you mad, bro?" "Oh, are you not thrilled I pulled you over? Are you mad? Why won't you talk to me? Huh?"

Antagonizing.

 

[EllieBee]

I suspect that the observers were not observant. So much for Med intake. Those scars were a red flag, for a potential suicide. JMO

As was her admission of a previous attempt.

 

[cady]

When she explained WHY she was agitated he dismissed it with (paraphrase) "are you done?" When she yelled about being manhandled and revealed that she has epilepsy, he said "GOOD". JMO

 

[kimlynn]

She had just rolled on thru a stop sign only slowing down in her turn, right in front of him. Thats when he did the U-turn, she got his attention. That's why he sped up to her, feel sure to see her plates and run. She knew she had ran the stop sign, although neither one one spoke of it, they both knew as well as anyone who watches the dash cam that it happened.

We know now she was under the influence and that she didn't regard LEO in a positive regard. Something gave the officer reason to ask her is she ok/what wrong (have to look back over my notes which from passenger side). JMHO

She was coming out of what looked like a shopping area or business and if she had rolled through a stop sign he would have turned his audio on like he did when he pulled her over and as he did with the previous traffic stop before SB.
He didn't turn his audio on until she changed lanes.
Weed can be detected months after smoking and it doesn't mean that you're currently under the influence of the drug.
He also kept asking the previous person pulled over if she was okay. Seemed to me it was a weird tic of his or habit.IMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That said, smoking is legal and this woman was adhering to her rights as is a person carrying around a gun, which I abhor as much as cigarette smoking.

See, you don't have to "like" a practice to respect its constitutionally protected right to exist.
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SBM

Cigarette smoking is a constitutional right? I'm trying to figure out what part of the Constitution would cover that.

I know that the government bans formally legal substances when found to be dangerous. Why can't they do it with cigarette's?

JMO