TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #1

[Rocky Road]

Just saw that she was a marijuana user. She should not have been driving in this case because she was under the influence. And, he most certainly would have smelled it on her! This could have given the officer cause to ask her to put out the cigarette and ask her to step out of the car, on top of her general lack of cooperation. Sort of life, "if you aren't going to cooperate, then let's go downtown". He knew he was dealing with someone who thought that the rules did not apply to her, so he had to be firm, had to insist she comply, and she chose not to do so. Why would she be smoking pot 2 days before starting a new job anyway? The support of her behavior shows where the country's principles are going, sadly.

 

[human]

She kicked him. He is not going to ignore that. JMO

I wonder if his department has a code of ethics because if it does, he sure did not follow it.

It is just like being a parent. Just because your child is being disrespectful, you don't get to beat them; you are the adult.

He is the professional. The job comes with issues.

If someone can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen

 

[Curious Guy]

You're welcome.

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[Cubby]

I am so sick of that refrain. Even public servants should be treated with some level of civility and respect. And imo, he was professional and polite at the start of their interaction. She was the one that was cold and rude from jump. JMO

She was being a smart a'. I agree that if she had just bit her tongue and taken the ticket she would have been on her way in minutes. She/her family are from Naperville - a highly desired area. http://time.com/money/3312345/naperville-il-best-places-to-live/ http://livability.com/top-10/families/10-best-cities-families/2015/illinois/naperville

She should have known better. IDK what made her behave the way she did, but sometimes people are responsible for their actions and the consequences, regardless of race. Sandra was in the wrong here. I'm a little confused over why she chose TX. I'm curious about that......... it isn't necessarily a place I'd expect someone who isn't ultra conservative to choose.

 

[Curious Guy]

I wonder if his department hs a code of ethics because if it does, He sure did nit follow it.

It is just like being a parent. Just because your child is being disrespectful. You don't get to beat them; you are the adult. He is the professional. The job comes with issues.

If someone can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen

I doubt their code of ethics stipulates that you must refrain from appropriate action if you are kicked.


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[kimlynn]

Just saw that she was a marijuana user. She should not have been driving in this case because she was under the influence. And, he most certainly would have smelled it on her! This could have given the officer cause to ask her to put out the cigarette and ask her to step out of the car, on top of her general lack of cooperation. Sort of life, "if you aren't going to cooperate, then let's go downtown". He knew he was dealing with someone who thought that the rules did not apply to her, so he had to be firm, had to insist she comply, and she chose not to do so. Why would she be smoking pot 2 days before starting a new job anyway? The support of her behavior shows where the country's principles are going, sadly.

Pot can be detected months after being smoked. A finding doesn't mean she was under the influence when she was pulled over. IMO

 

[Curious Guy]

She was being a smart a'. I agree that if she had just bit her tongue and taken the ticket she would have been on her way in minutes. She/her family are from Naperville - a highly desired area. http://time.com/money/3312345/naperville-il-best-places-to-live/ http://livability.com/top-10/families/10-best-cities-families/2015/illinois/naperville

She should have known better. IDK what made her behave the way she did, but sometimes people are responsible for their actions and the consequences, regardless of race. Sandra was in the wrong here. I'm a little confused over why she chose TX. I'm curious about that......... it isn't necessarily a place I'd expect someone who isn't ultra conservative to choose.

A clue into what made her act that way can be found in her social media history. She was very distrustful of LE and really into the #blacklivesmatter activism


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[human]

Just saw that she was a marijuana user. She should not have been driving in this case because she was under the influence. And, he most certainly would have smelled it on her! This could have given the officer cause to ask her to put out the cigarette and ask her to step out of the car, on top of her general lack of cooperation. Sort of life, "if you aren't going to cooperate, then let's go downtown". He knew he was dealing with someone who thought that the rules did not apply to her, so he had to be firm, had to insist she comply, and she chose not to do so. Why would she be smoking pot 2 days before starting a new job anyway? The support of her behavior shows where the country's principles are going, sadly.

I am not for drug use and that includes alcohol. Are there limits for mj and driving?

William F. Buckley was proud of the fact he smoked mj.

 

[bluesneakers]

You can't mandate how an average citizen acts,but in his case he should have had training on how to deal with many different difficult situations.
Back to the factory for him. IMO

Police officers do need this training! IMO this is why people with mental illnesses end up abused and killed by law enforcement.

 

[human]

I doubt their code of ethics stipulates that you must refrain from appropriate action if you are kicked.


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The code of ethics, if followed, would not have gotten him to his power and control issue problem.

 

[kimlynn]

Police officers do need this training! IMO this is why people with mental illnesses end up abused and killed by law enforcement.

Very true and sad. IMO

 

[Curious Guy]

The code of ethics, if followed, would not have gotten him to his power and control issue problem.

What was his power and control issue problem?


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[bluesneakers]

I wonder if his department has a code of ethics because if it does, he sure did not follow it.

It is just like being a parent. Just because your child is being disrespectful, you don't get to beat them; you are the adult.

He is the professional. The job comes with issues.

If someone can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen

They do and he didn't.

The trooper, identified as Brian Encinia, 30, a Texas A&M graduate who has been with the department for a little over a year, was found to have violated the Department of Public Safety’s procedures regarding traffic stops and courtesy policy, DPS officials announced. The agency did not elaborate on the violations.

http://www.expressnews.com/news/loc...ted-in-arrest-custody-of-woman-in-6392007.php

 

[Curious Guy]

They do and he didn't.

The trooper, identified as Brian Encinia, 30, a Texas A&M graduate who has been with the department for a little over a year, was found to have violated the Department of Public Safety’s procedures regarding traffic stops and courtesy policy, DPS officials announced. The agency did not elaborate on the violations.

http://www.expressnews.com/news/loc...ted-in-arrest-custody-of-woman-in-6392007.php

He violated procedure not a code of ethics just to be clear. There is a difference.


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[Curious Guy]

Very true and sad. IMO

Ok so this begs the question how do we prevent LEO from being assaulted and killed by those with mental illness? Not all answers are as simple as some think.


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[PrimeSuspect]

What was his power and control issue problem?


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Imo, he didn't like Sandra standing up for her rights.

 

[reedus23]

Haven't read any of this thread and not going to. I suspect that many have taken the position that only one side can be right and one side is wrong. Bottom line is she was wrong for being rude and disrespectful, but being rude and disrespectful is not against the law and officers are supposed to be trained to rise above that mentality, or at least that is what I ask of the officers for whom I pay their salary. This officer was on a power trip and didn't like the fact that she refused to obey unlawful orders and things escalated from there. Both contributed to create the situation. One is supposed to rise above a criminal or ****gish (or whatever word you want to attach to it) type of mind set.

In the bigger picture, the continuing conflict will continue to grow until those in the profession and/or those with family and friends in the profession can start to admit their wrongs. I suspect that most have taken the same stance in nearly every single case that has been brought up involving an officer and they lose credibility because of that. It is as predictable as the day is long and that mentality will continue to foster the divide between segments of society and law enforcement. That and the need for officers to learn that I don't have to obey them or listen to them or hell, even listen to them, unless it is lawful under situation. Until they get rid of the arrogance that leads to them believing that ANY order they give should be obeyed, that divide will continue to grow.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

No, we have techniques for working with students, Mainly we start the year with building rekationships with students and parents,

We used to call every parent to discuss positive things with their student, but with caller ID, there is no time to call at school using their phone and I do not want to use my home phone, so that became a oroblem.

If you do bot develop a relationship with students and parents, nothing can work.

BTW, what is the big focus on weapons and Sandra? She is not a felon, so she can have guns, right

BBM

A lot of felons have guns even though it's illegal. So much for gun control. A police officer has to worry about all kinds of weapons during a traffic stop. Not just guns.

Anything that can injure them can be used against them and that can allow someone to gain access to the officers own weapon.

Think about a lit cigarette shoved into an eye or face. It could allow a miscreant to grab the officers gun.

JMO

 

[Cubby]

A clue into what made her act that way can be found in her social media history. She was very distrustful of LE and really into the #blacklivesmatter activism


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I saw that. I'm local to the Naperville area and have friends who live there. I'm still at a loss for why she would have chosen to relocate to TX.

 

[bluesneakers]

Ok so this begs the question how do we prevent LEO from being assaulted and killed by those with mental illness? Not all answers are as simple as some think.


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The answer is with the proper training.