TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #1

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First, even this 52 minute version is so heavily edited. Note the passing cars that keep vaporizing into thin air. I wonder what they are trying to hide there?

Second, even with dozens of edits, there is still so much blatant racism in this video, that I don't even know where to start. I guess I'll start at the beginning. The first driver obviously a white female didn't even have proof of insurance. Did she get arrested for that? No. Did the white driver's car get impounded for not having insurance? No. He just laughs it off, gave her a warning and told her to get the proof of insurance emailed to her.

Then he stops the black woman, and his whole tone changes, and he decides to arrest her for refusing to put out a cigarette. Jumping to the end of video the radio traffic of the other officer is very interesting. "Show me en route to your location... with one black female in custody." I wonder why she felt compelled to inform them of the race of the woman. Unless maybe they treat black female prisoners different then what they would treat white female prisoners.

Cops do that. He would have said white male or hispanic female, etc.

But I'm with you on the rest of it.
 
  • #42
I'im sorry about your friend.

I don't mean I drive recklessly or don't bother signalling, but we all make mistakes. I'm not sure what you mean by "I guess you didn't end up dead." What I meant was I have never considered the possibility a minor infraction could lead to me being assaulted and found dead in a jail cell.

Sorry I didn't mean for that to come out snippy. And thank you.

It wasn't the minor infraction that caused her as you say, assaulted and found dead in a jail cell. Her reason for arrest was assaulting the police officer. IIRC they are awaiting a second autopsy. The ME in the first ruled suicide.
 
  • #43
Respectfully BBM, technically, since you typed that I guess you didn't end up dead. But I know from personal experience that someone not using signal to change lanes can cause very bad accidents. I have or had a friend die because of just that. jmho

And if you are black, you can die at the hands of a police officer for not using your turn signals. You understand that 100% of all drivers don't use turn signals at some point, right?
 
  • #44
The July 13 recordings of activity in the hallway near her cell show officers conducting two security checks on Bland in the course of 48 minutes starting around 6 a.m.

Just after 7 a.m. a male officer makes a third check on Bland. The sheriff's office says that officer spoke with Bland and she told him, "I am good"

At 7:55 a.m. the sheriff's office says Bland used a cell intercom to ask jailers about making a phone call

There isn't another in-person check on Bland until 8:58 a.m. when a female officer checking to see if Bland wanted recreation time looks through the cell window and sees the 28-year-old with a trash bag around her neck hanging from a partition in the cell.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/n...stigation-in-waller-county-jail-cell/34255970
 
  • #45
It wasn't really the infraction that resulted in her death. It was partially her rude, hostile attitude which amped up the situation, needlessly. The cop had an ego and she had an attitude and it got ugly, fast.

Yes, the #1 rule in America, don't disrespect a police officer, or you will end up dead.
 
  • #46
Cops do that. He would have said white male or hispanic female, etc.

But I'm with you on the rest of it.

There was no legitimate reason for her to say that. She could have simply said I'm en route with one prisoner. It was totally unnecessary information.
 
  • #47
Being treated like a murder investigation not as a murder investigation....

"This is being treated like a murder investigation," Waller County District Attorney Elton Mathis said Monday evening. "I want fingerprints run. I want...DNA tests run on the trash bag."

He also called for "any other valid scientific testing that we have so we can say with certainty what happened in her cell." http://abcnews.go.com/US/sandra-bland-supporters-call-independent-investigation/story?id=32572897
 
  • #48
Sorry I didn't mean for that to come out snippy. And thank you.

It wasn't the minor infraction that caused her as you say, assaulted and found dead in a jail cell. Her reason for arrest was assaulting the police officer. IIRC they are awaiting a second autopsy. The ME in the first ruled suicide.

That's not what I said. I've committed minor violations. I've been pulled over. I never thought any of those incidents would lead to me being yanked out of my car, arrested, and found dead in a jail cell. But obviously it happens.
 
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First, even this 52 minute version is so heavily edited. Note the passing cars that keep vaporizing into thin air. I wonder what they are trying to hide there?

Second, even with dozens of edits, there is still so much blatant racism in this video, that I don't even know where to start. I guess I'll start at the beginning. The first driver obviously a white female didn't even have proof of insurance. Did she get arrested for that? No. Did the white driver's car get impounded for not having insurance? No. He just laughs it off, gave her a warning and told her to get the proof of insurance emailed to her.

Then he stops the black woman, and his whole tone changes, and he decides to arrest her for refusing to put out a cigarette. Jumping to the end of video the radio traffic of the other officer is very interesting. "Show me en route to your location... with one black female in custody." I wonder why she felt compelled to inform them of the race of the woman. Unless maybe they treat black female prisoners different then what they would treat white female prisoners.

2nd driver SB was getting a warning also....
 
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2nd driver SB was getting a warning also....

Yes, but he only told her that to rub her face in it, after he slammed her to the ground and arrested her, like it was some big joke. Haha, I was going to give you a warning but now I'm going to arrest you. Big difference from the first stop where he told the driver right away that he was giving her a warning.
 
  • #54
And if you are black, you can die at the hands of a police officer for not using your turn signals. You understand that 100% of all drivers don't use turn signals at some point, right?

And I hope you understand that is against the law, black or white, right?

My daughter and I had a chat about this not long ago. We both agreed it's necessary to obey the law, be civil to a police officer and do what he tells you. What's so hard to understand about that?
 
  • #55
There was no legitimate reason for her to say that. She could have simply said I'm en route with one prisoner. It was totally unnecessary information.

Absolutely disagree. LEO's normally have policies that when transporting prisoners of the opposite sex, they call it in...in fact, every agency I have worked with, actually have us call it in with beginning and ending mileage. 100% fact.
 
  • #56
Sandra Bland and the Long History of Racism in Waller County, Texas
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/sandra-bland-waller-county-racism/398975/
In 2007, the chief of police in Hempstead, Glenn Smith, was accused of racism and police brutality during an arrest. Council members opted to suspend Smith for two weeks, a sanction that disappointed civil-rights leaders in town. The following year, amid more allegations of police misconduct, Smith was fired. He promptly ran for county sheriff and won, and is now charged with investigating Bland’s death in the jail he oversees. At a news conference about Bland’s death, Smith vowed, “Black lives matter to Glenn Smith.”

It may not come as a surprise if Waller County’s African American residents don’t buy that. And they may not feel any better about the prosecutor who would handle any case. Elton Mathis, who holds Kitzman’s old job, has also been accused of pursuing racially disparate prosecutions. Last June, a black clergyman alleged that Mathis has threatened him over such accusations.
 
  • #57
And I hope you understand that is against the law, black or white, right?

My daughter and I had a chat about this not long ago. We both agreed it's necessary to obey the law, be civil to a police officer and do what he tells you. What's so hard to understand about that?

Usually a driver gets a warning or a ticket for a minor infraction. She had every right to question him, and we can see how she was right not to trust him. He's the one who started this and kept it going. Like someone earler said - cops should know how to deescalate, and not lose control of themselves.
 
  • #58
Usually a driver gets a warning or a ticket for a minor infraction. She had every right to question him, and we can see how she was right not to trust him. He's the one who started this and kept it going. Like someone earler said - cops should know how to deescalate, and not lose control of themselves.

Apparently he was going to give her a warning until she gave him a lot of mouth, first about the cig, second about getting out of the car, third about everything else. Some people, black/white/yellow have big mouths and will NOT shut them, no matter what, and THIS is what gets them in trouble - been there, done that. It does NOT pay, but I had to and learned a valuable lesson for my money.

Whether or not she committed suicide, right now it isn't clear. However, if she was depressed, this may have been the final straw, the final insult to a fragile psyche, I kinda know this since I spent a large portion of my life suffering from BPD. I hope justice is done in this case, however it turns out. On the other hand, I hope others will learn a lesson and be more cooperative with LE. Not everything is a racial issue.

My opinion only
 
  • #59
Oddly, he never mentioned a stop sign when he pulled her over -- he said that she was pulled over because she failed to signal when she made a lane change.

Yes, I just watched it again MJ, and he does mention the stop sign. Something is not right here. He never told her she was under arrest, until she started questioning him.
 
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