TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #1

[JLSChook]

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Not as old as police brutality and abuse of power. I don't see why we can't blame them when they are deserving of it.

The guy was an arrogant jerk. That's not against the law, and that's NOT murder.

 

[Cappuccino]

This lady killed herself by her own hand and was in jail for breaking the law. She had drugs in her system.

Of course I feel bad for her, but this blaming LE BS is getting old.

WS is (was) an LE friendly/supporting site. I hope that continues to be the cause UNTIL there is PROOF that LE "killed" this woman. Look at what poor Darren Wilson had to go through before it was PROVEN that he did absolutely nothing wrong.

On the other hand, no matter what the investigation proves, it will fall on some deaf ears because said deaf ears don't want to hear the truth. Ever.

Whatever about the cause of this woman's death, that dashcam video is disturbing. It doesn't show any standards of LE that I would want to be supportive of, it shows a little Hitler with a badge and a gun.

 

[bluesneakers]

Personally, I think that there are really two investigations that need to be taking place here. One is about the arrest, the other is about whatever led up to her death while in police custody.

Though it is tempting to link the two, because if she had not been unjustly arrested by a bully cop, she very likely would still be alive today.

I agree. Two acts in a tragedy, but they're separate incidents.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Got it. Next time please alert or pm a mod. We don't sit on the threads reading each and every post.

Thanks.

Sorry, I thought I did. Thank you.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

After watching this video, do you think a) Sandra should have been removed from her vehicle? b) DO you think she should have been charged with a felony?

I would have to answer A with maybe and B with arrested yes, charged no.

A)I think that officers have the right to ask people to get out of their car during a traffic stop. When you don't comply it can be a problem. But sometimes the officer should wait for backup and calmly access the situation before physically removing the driver from the car.

B)Too much reasonable doubt with the scuffle between them being off camera. The DA would decline to prosecute in my opinion.

 

[arkansasmimi]

This lady killed herself by her own hand and was in jail for breaking the law. She had drugs in her system.

Of course I feel bad for her, but this blaming LE BS is getting old.

WS is (was) an LE friendly/supporting site. I hope that continues to be the cause UNTIL there is PROOF that LE "killed" this woman. Look at what poor Darren Wilson had to go through before it was PROVEN that he did absolutely nothing wrong.

On the other hand, no matter what the investigation proves, it will fall on some deaf ears because said deaf ears don't want to hear the truth. Ever.

:goodpost:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Please tell me how, after watching this video, you think Sandra was disrespectful. Do you think she was fully in the wrong? Though I totally disagree with you (& I'm going to bed soon), I'd like to respectfully consider your thoughts.

She was argumentative with the officer and repetitively used foul language. That's disrespectful in my opinion.

It's okay it you see it differently than me. Some consider that kind of behavior justified by the officers actions. I don't.

 

[concernedmother]

He did bait her and when she answered him he tried to force her out of the car. The big question is why did he take her out of camera range? It did sound like he was being forceful.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think we have any idea how she died at this point. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he gave her a head injury that caused her death 3 days later.


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He caused her a head injury that killed her? So did the jailers string her up after she died and make it look like a hanging? And they edited the videotape somehow to make it look like no one went into her cell?

 

[Cappuccino]

She was argumentative with the officer and repetitively used foul language. That's disrespectful in my opinion.

It's okay it you see it differently than me. Some consider that kind of behavior justified by the officers actions. I don't.

Don't you think that's besides the point? Its the police officer who is supposed to be professional in that situation, and a professional who has to deal with the public will at times have to deal with people who are argumentative or who swear. Its their job to do that without escalating the situation further.

Instead he behaved like an arrogant jerk who was enjoying bullying that woman.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

He did bait her and when she answered him he tried to force her out of the car. The big question is why did he take her out of camera range? It did sound like he was being forceful.

The things you mention is why I think that Sandra would not have been prosecuted for assaulting the officer.

It's a shame she couldn't bail out. Instead she took her own life. So unnecessary. JMO

 

[Amperstand]

Hey RANCH,

Thanks for being so respectful in our conversation.

While we disagree on Sandra's degree of respect, I'm comforted that we agree that a civilian's respectfulness should not justify a police officers' actions. Thanks again.
Hopefully tomorrow brings more justice, truth, & peace.
--A

 

[katydid23]

Like I said, 'it appears' -- it is my opinion. Why else would he choose to escalate things, time and again? He did not deescalate anything, ever. And the traffic stop was over the driver's inconsequential failure to use her turn signal on a road with little traffic.

He pulled his gun and threatened to 'light her up' when she had said or done nothing to threaten the officer.

Does that not say 'bully' to you? Do you think he kept repeatedly escalating the situation because it pained him to do so, or because it satisfied his ego and authority? What purpose did it serve in a professional arrest? I haven't heard one LE authority defend him yet.

When he said 'light her up' he meant tase her, not shoot her with a gun.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Don't you think that's besides the point? Its the police officer who is supposed to be professional in that situation, and a professional who has to deal with the public will at times have to deal with people who are argumentative or who swear. Its their job to do that without escalating the situation further.

Instead he behaved like an arrogant jerk who was enjoying bullying that woman.

I just answered the question honestly. Sandra was disrespectful. Police officers are human beings too and deserve as much respect as anyone else.

Maybe more respect than you or me for putting their lives on the line every day that they go to work.

Did this officer act appropriately? Not in my opinion. I hope that people don't lump all law enforcement officers in the same group.

JMO

 

[Cappuccino]

When he said 'light her up' he meant tase her, not shoot her with a gun.

She was neither threatening him nor making any effort to flee, so he had no right to "light her up" with anything. An ignorant bully, the very worst type of person to be in a police uniform.

 

[teedie2]

I am trying to figure out why this incident is causing so much media attention (even Fox covered this?)

Is there any evidence that she did not commit suicide by hanging? The autopsy will confirm whether or not she died from hanging. The surveillance video will confirm whether or not any one else entered her cell. So what is the big deal? Why the outrage?

From the dash-cam video the officer was very courteous when he first encountered the decedent asking her politely to please put out her cigarette but she automatically started to mouth-off and refused to comply with lawful orders. Had she just complied with the lawful orders of the officer she would be alive today but instead she decided to act in an arrogant and combative way.

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I thought that one of the lessons learned from the Michael Brown case was ... If an officer of the law tells you to do something, do it. Had this woman complied from the beginning .. what would have happened? She seemed to be overreacting, IMO. Was this because she is an activist? Or maybe because of the drugs in her system? She wouldn'lt have wanted to be tested for drugs, for sure. Why did she go off on the LEO? That is actually showing great disrespect to Law Enforcement. And I'm not disrespecting the dead ... I think it didn't have to go the way it did.

I got a speeding ticket one time, and I didn't open my yap, except for saying (meekly), "Thank you." And that was the end of that, except for paying the ticket.

I'm only commenting on the fact that she was arrested and taken to jail, not on her death. I've only started reading this thread and watched some of the videos of the arrest, so I might see things differently after reading more.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Hey RANCH,

Thanks for being so respectful in our conversation.

While we disagree on Sandra's degree of respect, I'm comforted that we agree that a civilian's respectfulness should not justify a police officers' actions. Thanks again.
Hopefully tomorrow brings more justice, truth, & peace.
--A

Thanks. I also hope that justice, truth & peace prevails.

 

[Cappuccino]

I just answered the question honestly. Sandra was disrespectful. Police officers are human beings too and deserve as much respect as anyone else.

Maybe more respect than you or me for putting their lives on the line every day that they go to work.

Did this officer act appropriately? Not in my opinion. I hope that people don't lump all law enforcement officers in the same group.

JMO

He wasn't putting his life on the line, he was using the power conferred on him by his uniform, ie by the state, to bully a woman for his own jollies. A thoroughly nasty piece of work, IMO, and not deserving of any more respect than any other work place bully.

The danger of people lumping all police officers into his category can be very easily avoided - by sacking him. That way people will know that the police as a whole do not condone the type of behaviour we all saw on that tape.

 

[Montjoy]

There is one thing I think we all can agree on -- it will be great when the rest of the world has vehicles with warp capabilities like those in Texas.

 

[Cappuccino]

I thought that one of the lessons learned from the Michael Brown case was ... If an officer of the law tells you to do something, do it. Had this woman complied from the beginning .. what would have happened? She seemed to be overreacting, IMO. Was this because she is an activist? Or maybe because of the drugs in her system? She wouldn'lt have wanted to be tested for drugs, for sure. Why did she go off on the LEO? That is actually showing great disrespect to Law Enforcement. And I'm not disrespecting the dead ... I think it didn't have to go the way it did.

I got a speeding ticket one time, and I didn't open my yap, except for saying (meekly), "Thank you." And that was the end of that, except for paying the ticket.

I'm only commenting on the fact that she was arrested and taken to jail, not on her death. I've only started reading this thread and watched some of the videos of the arrest, so I might see things differently after reading more.

What I'm about to say is not meant as any slight or offense to you, but I'm afraid I think your post is profoundly depressing. Its the type of thing I would expect to hear from all too many countries around the world, but I never expected to hear it from America.