TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #1

[arkansasmimi]

Do we know he ran her priors before he confronted her, or is that just an assumption? We didn't hear anything on his radio to suggest he ran her plates.

JMHO, but since we don't hear anything as he is coming up behind her close I would say that he ran her plates and that is redacted from the audio. Most patrol cars have computers in their cars now to check their DLs, She had #s and the member who is a Dispatcher, can confirm that they do tell them joe blow blah blah blah with numbers.

 

[katydid23]

If all lives matter, including black lives, why are black people three times more likely to be killed by law enforcement officers? Why do 25% of black American women live in poverty?

Black lives matter TOO. Saying "all lives matter" is dismissive and a great way to derail the issue, as if nothing is wrong here, just be quiet, do what the officer says, smile sweetly and be satisfied living with systemic, institutionalized racism.

BBM

So if someone gets pulled over for a traffic infraction, one should not smile sweetly, but they should make it a time and a place to take on the issue of systemic institutionalized racism? Is that what SB was attempting to do by refusing the request to put out her cig?

 

[Montjoy]

Asking if the officer was telling the truth is not a hypothetical question, nor is it off topic. JMO

What you asked initially was "What if it turns out that she did kick him? Should she have been arrested if so?" That is a textbook example of a hypothetical, and, as I've said before, the only possible response to your first question is "Who knows?", and so the answer to the second is "Who can care, since we don't know the answer to the first question?" This is derailing, not in that it changes any direction in any meaningful way. Because it is hypothetical, it has no direction; a derailed train does not continue running down another track. It stops running.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I would record the whole thing, especially the part where the cop told me not to. And if it were my video I would call my lawyer and discuss my options before handing it over to anyone.

Respectfully, WHY? Honest and sincere question. If you video someone whom you felt was abusing someone and video it for proof it happen... why would you then seek out your attorney? You didn't seek out the attorney prior to filming it. Is the objective not to help someone? If so why not turn it over to do just that? Or is it to get legal backing to help deal with the highest bidder? Again I honestly am curious about people filming altercations. Thank you in advance.

 

[katydid23]

What you asked initially was "What if it turns out that she did kick him? Should she have been arrested if so?" That is a textbook example of a hypothetical, and, as I've said before, the only possible response to your first question is "Who knows?", and so the answer to the second is "Who can care, since we don't know the answer to the first question?" This is derailing, not in that it changes any direction in any meaningful way. Because it is hypothetical, it has no direction; a derailed train does not continue running down another track. It stops running.

We will have to agree to disagree because it was NOT a hypothetical. He claims in his sworn statement that she kicked him. There were other people present and I have not heard any of them come forward and dispute that claim.

So I asked ' what if his claim is true? If so, is her arrest warranted? ' I think it is based in reality as it is exactly what is alleged in this specific case. Scroll and roll if you do not like my questions.

 

[screecher]

BBM

Oh, any time a bad cop is stripped of his badge it is a good thing for society. Just because doing something doesn't solve every single problem in the world is a poor excuse for not doing the right thing.

THIS ^^^.

Thank you.

 

[arkansasmimi]

If all lives matter, including black lives, why are black people three times more likely to be killed by law enforcement officers? Why do 25% of black American women live in poverty?

Black lives matter TOO. Saying "all lives matter" is dismissive and a great way to derail the issue, as if nothing is wrong here, just be quiet, do what the officer says, smile sweetly and be satisfied living with systemic, institutionalized racism.

Now if someone were to say XXXXXXXXXXXX LIVES MATTER.... that appears to be offensive to you, sorry if I am misunderstanding. Why is it offensive that any other life matters? Your asking me why 25% of black American women live in poverty? I can almost assure your there are many reasons why ANY person lives in poverty. No one race or ethnic group corners the market on that. I guarantee you if you go tell an impoverished person they dont matter as much as the black impoverished person they would beg to differ with you. They want food and everything else for their loved ones as anyone else. Saying only black lives matter is arrogant and foolish. Especially in a country where we are all equal. Why are the other 75% of black women not in poverty??

I can tell you this, and you have right to believe or not. Humans will be more inclined to help someone who isnt cussing them (as SB was) or screaming F the police, or tearing up someones place of business or vehicles or blocking roadways just to instill fear. Do you like it being spit on? Cussed at ? Your property that you worked for and proud of... I suppose it wouldn't bother you for a group of people to come bust out your windows with ball bats. Burn your business down, after they walked in and just picked up anything they wished and left. In what world is that RIGHT? And that those actions should be rewarded? Respectfully, your wrong, every single life matters. It may not to you, but it does to someone. And as I said in another post, it looks like those that Sandra Bland was standing up for showed her, that her life didn't matter to them. Just their agenda after she sadly took her life.

This is just my opinion, and I will not respond in regard to this matter again. as it derails this whole case. People are trying to make it fit their agenda, not the facts. We don't have all the facts. I have faith that they will be brought to light though.

 

[katydid23]

HERE is a perfect example of the DAMAGE being done by some of the political activists, IMO:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/22/politics/sandra-bland-hillary-clinton-democrats-2016/

Both the former Maryland governor and Vermont senator were interrupted by dozens of demonstrators on Saturday at Netroots Nation who shouted down the candidates and demanded they address criminal justice issues and police brutality.

The protestors repeatedly shouted "Black lives matter! Black lives matter" and used the call-and-repeat cry that has become the response to Bland's death: "If I die in police in custody! Burn everything down! That's the only way motherf----- like you listen!"
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So if someone commits suicide while in police custody, the protesters are calling on others to BURN EVERYTHING DOWN? SERIOUSLY? This will be interesting.

 

[bessie]

It needs to be asked just like the questions the social justice warriors demand answers to. Some may not want it asked but that doesn't make it any less important.


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Sure some do. So do some of the social justice warriors. That's why it's important to wait on full disclosure and not act hysterical when these type of things occur.


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Regarding the bolded, please define.

Thanks.

 

[Elley Mae]

I live in a small town, I listen to a scanner on occasion, I can say for a fact that in this town no police officer steps out of the vehicle until the information from dispatch is given on the plate/tag that the officer called in. I know that in anne arundel county md that no police officer gets out of the car until they know about the plate/tag on the vehicle. Information consist of the year/color and model of the vehicle, the person it is listed to and whether that person has an active license and whether that person has any outstanding warrants and if that person has a conceal carry. As far as I know all police call in the tag on the vehicle they pull over before exiting their vehicle.

 

[KaaBoom]

The majority of people KNOW to do what a LEO tells you to do. It's the ones who refuse to obey who get killed or seriously injured.

Respect the officer and they will respect you.

simple as that.

It is not that simple. Paranoid, power tripping police officers are a threat to everyone. Even those who do what they are told.

[video=youtube;KeT_oSLtI-o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeT_oSLtI-o[/video]

 

[KaaBoom]

Boy, I wish I never got out of my car when I was ordered out by the police. I failed a sobriety test. I was doing fine until I got out. I didn't know it was okay to refuse his order.

You do have that right.

http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/drunk_driving/refuse_tests.htm

 

[KaaBoom]

So it is LE's fault she hung herself? They were supposed to prevent that?

I think you already answered your own question.

It is a standard questionnaire. Everyone is asked if they are suicidal. She probably should have been on suicide watch.

 

[katydid23]

I think you already answered your own question.

She probably should have been on suicide watch. But she answered NO, when asked if she was CURRENTLY feeling suicidal. Her attempt was a year earlier after a miscarriage. So I suppose it was a judgement call.

I am just confused because the criticism is saying ' the police are at fault for not preventing her suicide' while also saying ' the police killed her and covered it up.' You can't have it both ways.

 

[KaaBoom]

The reason why he asked her to put out her cig is because it is a safety issue for him and for her.

What if she flinged it at him because she was pissed and he caught on fire? What if she set her own car on fire because she was smoking in her own car?

:facepalm: What if, what if, what if? What if the cop is a racist a-hole, who just wants to arrest black people for ridiculous reasons? It's not illegal to smoke in your car in Texas. If you think it should be, then maybe you should lobby to get a law passed. Until you do that, police should not arrest people for doing it.

 

[Trident]

She probably should have been on suicide watch. But she answered NO, when asked if she was CURRENTLY feeling suicidal. Her attempt was a year earlier after a miscarriage. So I suppose it was a judgement call.

I am just confused because the criticism is saying ' the police are at fault for not preventing her suicide' while also saying ' the police killed her and covered it up.' You can't have it both ways.

Sure you can if you're loud enough or threaten to riot.

My bottom line is the sad death of a young woman that was completely avoidable. Her death did no one any good except those who may benefit from a lawsuit. I'm tired of deaths and lawsuits. Our country is shreded, right down the middle. I'm sick of it - ALL lives matter, even the life of the policeman. I'm tired of people being shot, careers destroyed and lives ruined. This counry needs to get a grip, from the top down, and work for the benefit of ALL citizens.

My opinion only

 

[KaaBoom]

He had every right to ask her to put out her lit cig. It is standard procedure.

Is that your personal opinion, or do you have a source to support it?

 

[katydid23]

:facepalm: What if, what if, what if? What if the cop is a racist a-hole, who just wants to arrest black people for ridiculous reasons? It's not illegal to smoke in your car in Texas. If you think it should be, then maybe you should lobby to get a law passed. Until you do that, police should not arrest people for doing it.

There is a difference between 'smoking in your car' and 'smoking while you are in the middle of a traffic stop.'

When a cop pulls you over, he can request that you put out a lit cigarette. There is some question whether he has the legal right to force the situation or not. Many sources say yes, if it becomes a matter of safety.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84053091/
Yes, an officer can order you out of your car, police experts agreed. But whether an officer can command you to extinguish a cigarette is murkier, depending on whether the cigarette is perceived as a threat. Several also said that some of the trooper’s actions were unprofessional and did not make for good policing.

“Officers have complete discretion to control the movements of the violator, including making them get out the car,” he said.

Meyer said it is standard practice to have someone put out their cigarette.

“No one, including a police officer, wants to get a burning cigarette jammed into their face or eye; it’s basic procedure,” he said. “The officer asked politely if she would mind putting out her cigarette. The violator then raised her voice, actively resisted multiple lawful directions to get out of the car. The officer requested a backup officer to respond. The officer raised his voice several times in what turned out to be a futile effort to overcome that resistance.”

 

[KaaBoom]

She was arrested for assaulting him. I've never heard of anyone not being arrested for assaulting a police officer.

If you watched the entire video, you would hear that he was debating what to charge her with. He arrested her first, then decided to charge her with that.

 

[KaaBoom]

It's not very hard to do what a police officer tells you to do.

The number 1 goal of a police officer is to make sure they get home to their families at the end of the day.

And they do that very well. LE is one of the safest jobs in America. It is very safe to arrest an unarmed black woman for refusing to put out a cigarette, rather then go out and arrest a real criminal who might be armed and dangerous. So instead of fighting crime, we have gutless cops who harass and arrest law abiding citizens, who are doing nothing wrong.