TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #1

[Dénouement]

Here is the typed booking document so of the answers are different to the handwritten document

http://documents.latimes.com/booking-documents-sandra-bland/

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No one is saying that police officers don't get killed; the claim was made that it was one of the most dangerous jobs/occupations. I realize that the actual facts don't fit in with the usual posters' narrative who routinely choose to simply ignore the truth and continue posting their pro-LE agenda/the civilian is always wrong, especially a black civilian... rhetoric. MO ~

*Too bad I can't stay and post all day - gotta job to get to

Morning nomore.

I do understand what you are saying and the links you provided are about deaths only.

But to me that isn't telling the entire story. I think the better question would be 'What profession suffers more physical attacks/assaults/shootings, stabbings etc. by another person most often?' I think that would show the real truth.

The stats to me don't tell the entire story but that is why statistics often have flaws in them. It would be like listing homicides versus attempted homicides and leaving the attempted homicides out of the equation.

It pains me to read any site who says ONLY 100 this or that. I find that highly dismissive of the police officers who do die and imo I think that number will rise this year.

The truth is imo there is no other profession that is attacked/assaulted as much as our police officers are. Just because they survived doesn't mean they don't have a high risk jobs.

If we had a statistic that shows how often police officers are assaulted on a year basis I think that would make it much clearer showing whether they have very high risk jobs.

I really cant think of another profession who has the highest risk of being assaulted/attacked than our police officers.

IMO

 

[KaaBoom]

I was wondering about bail for Sandra and found this.



$500 and she would have been out. They probably didn't have it. What a shame.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...bail-before-allegedly-committing-suicide.html

That article is garbage. Every single other source that I have seen, said her bond was $5,000, not $500.

 

[Dénouement]

That article is garbage. Every single other source that I have seen, said her bond was $5,000, not $500.

She also said 5,000 in the voicemail

 

[katydid23]

That article is garbage. Every single other source that I have seen, said her bond was $5,000, not $500.

Her bond was 5000, so she only needed 500 to bail out.

 

[katydid23]

Morning nomore.

I do understand what you are saying and the links you provided are about deaths only.

But to me that isn't telling the entire story. I think the better question would be 'What profession suffers more physical attacks/assaults by another person most often?' I think that would show the real truth.

The stats to me don't tell the entire story but that is why statistics often have flaws in them. It would be like listing homicides versus attempted homicides and leaving the attempted homicides out of the equation.

It pains me to read any site who says ONLY 100 this or that. I find that highly dismissive of the police officers who do die and imo I think that number will rise this year.

The truth is imo there is no other profession that is attacked/assaulted as much as our police officers are. Just because they survived doesn't mean they don't have a high risk jobs.

If we had a statistic that shows how often police officers are assaulted on a year basis I think that would make it much clearer showing whether they have very high risk jobs.

I really cant think of another profession who has the highest risk of being assaulted/attacked than our police officers.

IMO

from http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/daifacts.html

Averages over the Last Decade

149 deaths per year 58,930 assaults per year 15,404 injuries per year

 

[KaaBoom]

If firing this one officer would make all of the hatred being being projected at law enforcement officers go away then I would be all for it.

How about firing all the other cops like him? What would firing just one and leaving the other bad apples accomplish?

 

[Lato]

That article is garbage. Every single other source that I have seen, said her bond was $5,000, not $500.

An interesting article about bond.....
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/getting-out-of-jail-after-you-have-been-arrested.html

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That article is garbage. Every single other source that I have seen, said her bond was $5,000, not $500.

She would only have to come up with 10% of the bond through a bail bondman which would be $500.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

from http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/daifacts.html

Averages over the Last Decade

149 deaths per year 58,930 assaults per year 15,404 injuries per year

OMG! Thank you for the link Katy.

Imo, no other profession is assaulted an average of 58,930 times and sustains 15, 404 injuries every year. That is mind boggling.

 

[katydid23]

How about firing all the other cops like him? What would firing just one and leaving the other bad apples accomplish?

And what about the violent criminals? What shall we do about them?

 

[cady]

Here we go again. From the front page. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community Welcome to the Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community. Can you point me to anything that says this is a law enforcement support site, or anything that says we can't or shouldn't sleuth law enforcement?

Agree. Interestingly, I found this thread under "non-crime related" up to the minute news...and the current non-debate about the danger of being a law enforcement officer. I may have missed it, but at what point did the officer feel threatened? I see where this "discussion" is headed. Sad. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think that police should have to have a legitimate reason to ask people to get out of their car. He had none.

I'm not sure if he did or didn't have a legitimate reason. One legitimate reason is if the officer feels that the subject may have a weapon and he wants to check for that.

I'm not saying that's what happened in this case though. He still should have waited for backup and dealt with the situation more calmly.

JMO

 

[popsicle]

Getting killed is a hazard in many occupations, but there is one glaring difference between death risks of law enforcement officers and those of other dangerous occupations: only police officers face the threat of murder as a part of their job. No one is out trying to kill fisherman or loggers or garbage collectors.

Jan 15, 2015


Police Work Isn't as Dangerous as You May Think | Blake ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../how-dangerous-is-police-...

In reality, police don't draw or fire their guns very much.

Many NYC cops never draw their weapons in their whole career. In New York City, only one cop in 755 fired his or her gun at a suspect intentionally in 2012.

In 2013, only one of 850 officers fired a weapon at a suspect intentionally.

In 2012, 80.2 percent of officers who were assaulted in the line of duty were attacked with personal weapons (e.g., hands, fists, or feet).

4.3 percent of the officers were assaulted with firearms.

 

[katydid23]

Here is the typed booking document so of the answers are different to the handwritten document

http://documents.latimes.com/booking-documents-sandra-bland/

Some of them could easily be different because it is a two-step process. First the 'guest' fills out the questionnaire by hand. Then a few hours later they meet with a mental health counselor and they discuss the questions as it is entered in the computer. Not a surprise that some answers may change during the process.

 

[popsicle]

And they do that very well. LE is one of the safest jobs in America. It is very safe to arrest an unarmed black woman for refusing to put out a cigarette, rather then go out and arrest a real criminal who might be armed and dangerous. So instead of fighting crime, we have gutless cops who harass and arrest law abiding citizens, who are doing nothing wrong.

No one is saying that police officers don't get killed; the claim was made that it was one of the most dangerous jobs/occupations. I realize that the actual facts don't fit in with the usual posters' narrative who routinely choose to simply ignore the truth and continue posting their pro-LE agenda/the civilian is always wrong, especially a black civilian... rhetoric. MO ~

*Too bad I can't stay and post all day - gotta job to get to

Above your quote.... so ummm no.

 

[KaaBoom]

Do we know he ran her priors before he confronted her, or is that just an assumption? We didn't hear anything on his radio to suggest he ran her plates.

Couldn't he have run that himself on the computer inside his car? Then there wouldn't be any audio of it. I can't believe that any police officer wouldn't do that first.

 

[Doghairrules]

He caused her a head injury that killed her? So did the jailers string her up after she died and make it look like a hanging? And they edited the videotape somehow to make it look like no one went into her cell?

I think it's possible, yes. The cameras are apparently motion activated. I think there are ways around that system.


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[katydid23]

I think it's possible, yes. The cameras are apparently motion activated. I think there are ways around that system.


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And what was their reason? A risky conspiracy, putting their lives and careers at risk...and she had made a few phone calls to friends and family---made no claims of being beaten or mistreated---

So WHY would these jailers, who had nothing to do with her arrest, decide on the 3rd day, out of the blue, to kill her and try and skirt the video system?

 

[popsicle]

Agree. Interestingly, I found this thread under "non-crime related" up to the minute news...and the current non-debate about the danger of being a law enforcement officer. I may have missed it, but at what point did the officer feel threatened? I see where this "discussion" is headed. Sad. JMO

We don't know if a crime has been committed, do we?