TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #3

[bluesneakers]

The charge iirc was for kicking BE. And this was after he said she was under arrest while trying to get her out of her car. Take your pick. He had to get her on something after such a display and I don't mean a display from SB.

eta: found the answer.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

On the video I posted 9:55 is when SB says she is calling her attorney.
After a tussle and more orders to exit the taser comes out at 10:30
It seems SB would have had her phone out at the time she said she was calling her attorney. The taser is pulled later after verbal orders are ignored. IMO

BBM

How do we know if or when Sandra had her phone out while she was still in the car? I couldn't see her very well while she was in the car from viewing the dash cam video. JMO

 

[Cubby]

The charge iirc was for kicking BE. And this was after he said she was under arrest while trying to get her out of her car. Take your pick. He had to get her on something after such a display and I don't mean a display from SB.

He could have charged hee with both.... SB broke the law- and based on her history along with msm reporting the high thc I think she was thinking wtf was i doing. Substance abusers are very impulsive.... Her mouth running is clearly indicative of that impulsiveness.

 

[Montjoy]

Well, 'running your mouth' isn't disorderly conduct. It's constitutionally protected under the First Amendment.

 

[Cubby]

Well, 'running your mouth' isn't disorderly conduct. It's constitutionally protected under the First Amendment.

Running her mouth is my term for the foul language she used. I linked the statute for disorderly conduct - SB's behavior fit the description and then escalated to the alleged kick, which increased her charge.

 

[Montjoy]

Running her mouth is my term for the foul language she used. I linked the statute for disorderly conduct - SB's behavior fit the description and then escalated to the alleged kick, which increased her charge.

Cussing or swearing is not de facto disorderly conduct. If you read the statute, it says that disorderly conduct requires that such speech acts "to incite an immediate breach of the peace". There was no inciting taking place.

I mean, are you actually suggesting that you think that any time someone swears in public that they could be arrested for disorderly conduct? You must know that many police swear in public as well.

 

[Cubby]

I'll say this, if I behaved as SB did during this traffic stop I'd expect to be going to jaiI. If SB believed her rights were violated she was entitled to her day in court. Instead she chose, tragically, to end her life.


I'd like to believe if she was not under the influence she would not behaved as she did and she would have taken the warning and been on her way.

 

[CARIIS]

I think what has enraged so many around the world, including his employers is he went bonkers, Peroid - yeling. secreaming yanking her door open, cowering over he in her vehicle,while still screaming at her inside the car, physically yanking at her person , and screaming I am going to light you up - most reasonable folks, with allthat occurred very rapidly would scare anyone.

Is someone is lunging at a cop then maybe the taser being pulled might have been a bit ok, but screaming at a lady, who just by vertue of her being sitting and him cowering over her is scary as heck - especially wiht someone you know also has a gun.

We have it on video, we have him altering his version of events to his boss, in his report. The only thing we dont have is him off camera being supposedly kicked. I would think that if the arrest was cause a citizen kicked a cop, the prudent thing to do would be to take a picture of this alledged assulat, for later in court.

We have concrete data that he lies-peroid. imo
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[K_Z]

Cussing or swearing is not de facto disorderly conduct. If you read the statute, it says that disorderly conduct requires that such speech acts "to incite an immediate breach of the peace". There was no inciting taking place.

I mean, are you actually suggesting that you think that any time someone swears in public that they could be arrested for disorderly conduct? You must know that many police swear in public as well.

SB's swearing rises to the level of verbal abuse and threats, IMO. She wasn't just swearing out of frustration-- she was clearly verbally abusing, baiting/ antagonizing, and threatening the officer, IMO. And escalating the situation.

She should have exercised her "right to remain silent", or at a minimum, faked some polite behavior. IMO, she is responsible for escalating the situation, and causing her own arrest. It's not like she hadn't been arrested before-- with her history, she should have been an "expert" at acting socially appropriately, to get out of trouble.

I'm glad she was arrested before she hurt someone else. Her history of nearly $8000 in unpaid traffic fines, substance abuse, and multiple traffic violations-- along with her impulsive, argumentative, and combative behavior makes me really glad she was off the streets.

Be that as it may, it's very sad and unfortunate she chose to commit an impulsive suicide 3 days later. I can't fathom why so many want to blame her suicide on the arresting officer-- but no one is criticizing the family members who wouldn't bail her out, and only a few find fault with the jail personnel. A lot of people want to pile on the arresting officer, but ignore how her own behavior rapidly escalated the situation from a simple stop, to an arrest.

People who want to make every encounter confrontational and oppositional have a very hard time moving smoothly and successfully through life-- they have trouble with a lot of social interactions, can't hold jobs, can't follow rules or laws, defy and combat any forms of authority, and generally live within a lot of self-induced chaos. IMO. (And that's leaving out the considerable compounding effects of substance abuse and mental illness.) Police officers are faced with dealing with these kinds of deeply dysfunctional people 24/7-- and they don't get to make any mistakes, lose their temper, or have a bad day.

 

[CARIIS]

I don't think we can compare the evils of the Third Reich to a jerk of a cop who gets more angry than necessary in a non compliant traffic stop case. It's not the same thing, IMHO. You certainly see judges jail people for giving them a little lip - that's what the cop was doing, basically.

I've read the rest of this thread and am surprised to see people thinking that cops are getting more violent than they were before, in history. In my experience, Cops are MUCH more respectful and restrained than I've ever seen. When I was a teenager, mouth off to a cop and you'll get a bloody face.

With the advent of more education (probably actually the advent of more cameras) cops now mostly treat people in their custody with respect.

I really think we are in MUCH graver danger, as a community, if everyone thinks they don't need to do what a cop says, when he says it. Imagine a couple cops arriving on a scene of a large riot, or even a burglary in progress, etc., and bystanders or participants think they don't have to comply.

This was a warning stop, casue someone thought they were getting out of the way of an emergency vehicle coming up behind you fast. Riots, murders,rapes in progress, shooting require a different kind of response that a minor road incident. I saw three cars on the road - its not like her getting out the way caused a three car pileup - she moved, quickly, as we are required to do, she was thinking he needed her to let him pass, that makes sense, she says it at the onset

 

[CARIIS]

RSBM. Link regarding her asking for and being denied a call to an attorney?

She explained why she got out of the way
She said re phone in her hand I am calling my attorney and he told her to put the phone down That is a violation.
It is not againist in law to smoke in your vehicle
Being ripped out of your vehicle casue of a blinking light is not the same as someone with a knife at someone else in the car - she did lift up her little turn signal at that had become a felony casue of his actions.
when someone says I have seizures, any human who replies "good" IMO is presty messed up peron.


Hey the good news is he is off the streets and cant bully anymore people - irony here is he will now be bullied the rest of his life in the pennitary

ahhhh karma IMO

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[katydid23]

She explained why she got out of the way
She said re phone in her hand I am calling my attorney and he told her to put the phone down That is a violation.
It is not againist in law to smoke in your vehicle
Being ripped out of your vehicle casue of a blinking light is not the same as someone with a knife at someone else in the car - she did lift up her little turn signal at that had become a felony casue of his actions.
when someone says I have seizures, any human who replies "good" IMO is presty messed up peron.


Hey the good news is he is off the streets and cant bully anymore people - irony here is he will now be bullied the rest of his life in the pennitary

ahhhh karma IMO

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BBM

HUH? This officer is getting life in prison? Since when?

 

[Confusion]

Do you have any links to those "facts"? TIA

 

[kimlynn]

BBM

How do we know if or when Sandra had her phone out while she was still in the car? I couldn't see her very well while she was in the car from viewing the dash cam video. JMO

It seems reasonable that she had it out at the point in the conversation when she said she was going to call her attorney. At any rate I was responding to post #234 that posted that the taser was pulled because she made a sudden move by grabbing her phone and that is when the taser was brought out. No proof of that either.
However the times on the video are:
9:55 She says she is calling her attorney
10:30 The taser comes out. IMO

 

[kimlynn]

He could have charged hee with both.... SB broke the law- and based on her history along with msm reporting the high thc I think she was thinking wtf was i doing. Substance abusers are very impulsive.... Her mouth running is clearly indicative of that impulsiveness.

Or he could have given her the ticket/warning and let her go and none of this would have happened. IMO

 

[human]

There are plenty of studies done on that.

My small town constable was great, He knew every family . Everyone respected him because he treated everyone fairly. But that was 20 years ago and he is gone.

The city police seem to be power mad. Not everyone, but several I have had the opportunity to witness.

 

[BlueShoe]

Most employees have specialized skills. For instance, an electrician knows how to fix wiring so as not to burn your house down. A teacher knows his or her subject matter. A police officer has specialized knowledge and training in his or her job also. The main job requirement is knowing how to arrest people. This is not a sidelight or add-on but the essence of policing. If an officer does not know how to arrest people without pulling out a Taser when no one has threatened him or having to throw someone to the ground when there were other options, then there is a problem. Either his training was weak and has failed him or he has failed to perform the major function of his job adequately. Those who think this officer did a fine job in his arrest of Sandra Bland are holding police officers to a very low standard. I believe our police are better than that. If not, we need some reforms ASAP.

 

[kimlynn]

I think some are missing how the events unfolded. You can't arrest a person for answering a question or refusing to put out a cigarette. According to BE she was under arrest before he got her out of the car.
Now some will say she was resisting because she didn't get out of the car,but he did sound as though it was optional "well you can step on out now"
Of course she asked why she was asked to step out... how many people have had to get out of their car for a minor traffic violation?
Why did he not explain to her what was going on?
He told his supervisor that he 'told her what was going on'
He already told her she was to be arrested. I would have raised he*l as well for being told I was arrested for a turn signal.
At that point the non use of the turn signal was the only issue as far as SB knew.
IMO

 

[human]

How does BE fit these characteristics?

http://www.careerprofiles.info/law-enforcement-professional-qualities.html

 

[KaaBoom]

I don't think we can compare the evils of the Third Reich to a jerk of a cop who gets more angry than necessary in a non compliant traffic stop case. It's not the same thing, IMHO. You certainly see judges jail people for giving them a little lip - that's what the cop was doing, basically.

I've read the rest of this thread and am surprised to see people thinking that cops are getting more violent than they were before, in history. In my experience, Cops are MUCH more respectful and restrained than I've ever seen. When I was a teenager, mouth off to a cop and you'll get a bloody face.

You must be very young, if you think cops are more respectful and restrained now.

The first time I was ever pulled over, if you can even call it that. I was making a right turn and I heard a car horn beep. I looked over and saw a police car beside me. I rolled down my window, and the cop called to me, "One of your brake lights is out. Please get it fixed as soon as you can". I said, "Oh thanks, I dind't know.", and he drove off. In those days if a cop stopped me to question me, they would ask me if I would mind answering a few questions. Then they would ask one or two quick questions, and that would be it.

Fast-forward 30 years later and the cops are pulling me over and giving me tickets for every stupid little thing they can think of. Ordering me out of my car, hand cuffing me, searching my car without my consent, threatening me. I could go on with endless examples of how cops are worse today then ever before. People are not getting fed up with the police, because they are becoming more respectful.

With the advent of more education (probably actually the advent of more cameras) cops now mostly treat people in their custody with respect.

It would be nice if that is the way it worked, but that is not the case. Cops are murdering people, even when they know they are being recorded. Cops today just don't care.