TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #3

[Elley Mae]

Does anyone have a link that shows she was on prescription medication for epilepsy.

 

[Elley Mae]

And we do know for a fact that she had a large amount of pot in her body.



When the Waller County District Attorney’s office released parts of the toxicology report last week, they speculated that Ms. Bland might have consumed the drug just before she was arrested, to avoid a drug possession charge. They also raised the possibility that she smoked or ingested marijuana in jail, though they have found no evidence of that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/29/us/sandra-bland-toxicology-report.html

Ms. Bland had 18 micrograms per liter of T.H.C., the main psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in her blood, according to a post-mortem report issued Monday. “In a living person, 18 micrograms per liter of T.H.C. is considered elevated, but she is not alive,” said Dr. Nikolas P. Lemos, the chief forensic toxicologist at the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in San Francisco.

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't have to google anything to know that people that kill themselves are not victims. jmo idk

If you had googled it you might have learned how victims of suicide are referred to as victims by law enforcement, mental health professionals, the clergy, the media, family members, suicide survivors... it's a universal term.

Stop Calling Suicide Victims 'Selfish'

But every time a suicide occurs, some little self-assured voice is going to attack the victim. The same victim who felt inadequate enough to end his or her own life. The same victim who found solace in death. The same victim who assumed the world would be better off without them. This smug character will go out of his way to insult a suicide victim, calling them "selfish," and "attention-seeking," asserting that "everyone faces obstacles, they should have sucked it up like the rest of us." I've seen it happen countless times.

I'm tired of the victim blaming that makes light of one of the most tragic and upsetting scenarios imaginable. This attitude is shameful and does absolutely nothing to prevent suicides in the future; it merely diminishes mental illness and disrespects the deceased.

If you're life has not been touched by suicide consider yourself fortunate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/madeline-ruoff-/stop-calling-suicide-vict_b_5045441.html

 

[Elley Mae]

If you had googled it you might have learned how victims of suicide are referred to as victims by law enforcement, mental health professionals, the clergy, the media, family members, suicide survivors... it's a universal term.

Stop Calling Suicide Victims 'Selfish'





If you're life has not been touched by suicide consider yourself fortunate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/madeline-ruoff-/stop-calling-suicide-vict_b_5045441.html

Yeah ok fine, it's not my opinion. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

If you had googled it you might have learned how victims of suicide are referred to as victims by law enforcement, mental health professionals, the clergy, the media, family members, suicide survivors... it's a universal term.

Stop Calling Suicide Victims 'Selfish'





If you're life has not been touched by suicide consider yourself fortunate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/madeline-ruoff-/stop-calling-suicide-vict_b_5045441.html

I see it's a huff link & lol then click to see it's written by a HS senior and on top of that it's a blog. so again I say no thanks. jmo

 

[Night-owl]

So, wait. We're now arguing about and questioning her decision to move to Texas? Really?

I don't see that as being the question. People can do what they want if that is how their heart calls them. I know people who have left very lucrative, stable jobs to do things that they find joy in.

If one of my loved ones was in the exact same situation, I'd be seeing tons of red flags. Starting with, what will you do when your dream job is over next month? Are you sure you can take care of yourself? Are there other reasons you want to move?

I don't know if Sandra would say her family was tight with her or not. Probably like most families, they love each other even though they may not like each other at times.

There are things that totally don't add up when you piece together what is reported. To me, they look like the portrait of someone far more fragile than how some other people see it. I've spelled out exactly what looks like a danger sign, to me. That's not condemning someone as a bad person.



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[BritsKate]

There's also the hope it will draw attention to the deficiencies that led to her death and changes will be made, preventing the same thing from happening to someone else.
And if they have to pay for their mistakes maybe they'll be more careful next time.

One should remember this isn't the first suicide that's occurred in Waller County jail. In 2012, they were cited for failure to properly supervise inmates after another suicide. This year, they were again cited for the same offense, as well as failure to provide proof their staff had undergone a 2 hour mental health training session.

2012 didn't teach them nearly enough on its own. JMO

 

[bluesneakers]

I see it's a huff link & lol then click to see it's written by a HS senior and on top of that it's a blog. so again I say no thanks. jmo

Then I'll say it:

It's disgusting when someone gets a smug attitude about a suicide victim, as if he or she can judge what someone's experience was and what kind of pain that person was in at the moment he or she chose to end his or her own life. It's shameful, disrespectful, and shows a real ignorance of grief, mental illness and suicide. JMO.

Suicide victims are referred to as suicide victims for a reason.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I know her family talked a lot about the "dream job". What was described by Prairie View A&M sounds different:

Prairie View spokeswoman Candace Johnson confirmed that Bland was supposed to begin working as a summer program associate for the university cooperative extension Aug. 3. It was a temporary position scheduled to last through Aug. 31, Johnson said.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84010990/

Maybe she felt it would lead to something full time and permanent. But to leave for TX from IL for a one month temp position??? [emoji15]

I can't help but think Sandra's life was slipping, and she wasn't being honest with folks how badly. The move to TX seems as much an attempt to return to a place she associated with happier times as much as anything.



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Respectfully added Bold. So she was supposed to have started YESTERDAY, Aug 3rd.... not the Monday she committed suicide as some have alluded to.

 

[Elley Mae]

Then I'll say it:

It's disgusting when someone gets a smug attitude about a suicide victim, as if he or she can judge what someone's experience was and what kind of pain that person was in at the moment he or she chose to end his or her own life. It's shameful, disrespectful, and shows a real ignorance of grief, mental illness and suicide. JMO.

Suicide victims are referred to as suicide victims for a reason.

LOL I've been called way worse, it bounces of the top of my head.

That's fine that some need to think that that people that kill themselves are victims but I'm not there, sorry.

 

[bluesneakers]

LOL I've been called way worse, it bounces of the top of my head.

That's fine that some need to think that that people that kill themselves are victims but I'm not there, sorry.

No need to be sorry. I just hope you can eventually figure it out on your own rather than having to deal with it in your own life.

 

[BritsKate]

And we do know for a fact that she had a large amount of pot in her body.



When the Waller County District Attorney’s office released parts of the toxicology report last week, they speculated that Ms. Bland might have consumed the drug just before she was arrested, to avoid a drug possession charge. They also raised the possibility that she smoked or ingested marijuana in jail, though they have found no evidence of that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/29/us/sandra-bland-toxicology-report.html

Ms. Bland had 18 micrograms per liter of T.H.C., the main psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in her blood, according to a post-mortem report issued Monday. “In a living person, 18 micrograms per liter of T.H.C. is considered elevated, but she is not alive,” said Dr. Nikolas P. Lemos, the chief forensic toxicologist at the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in San Francisco.

No, no we don't.

Ms. Bland had 18 micrograms per liter of T.H.C., the main psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in her blood, according to a post-mortem report issued Monday. “In a living person, 18 micrograms per liter of T.H.C. is considered elevated, but she is not alive,” said Dr. Nikolas P. Lemos, the chief forensic toxicologist at the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in San Francisco.

The concentration of T.H.C. in the blood of a deceased person can be much higher than levels in a living person, Dr. Lemos said. T.H.C. is drawn to fat, and because women usually have more body fat than men, he explained, “If you’re a woman with all that T.H.C. parked in your fatty tissue, after death it leaks out and contaminates the adjacent blood, so it artificially elevates the measured concentrations in blood.”

After death, concentrations of T.H.C. in blood “can go down, they may stay the same, or they can go up,” said Bruce A. Goldberger, a professor of toxicology at the College of Medicine at the University of Florida in Gainesville.

Studies have shown that T.H.C. redistributes in a dead body, making it nearly impossible to accurately gauge the concentration of T.H.C. in Ms. Bland’s blood at the time of her death. “We will never know the exact number,” said Dr. Lemos, a clinical professor of laboratory medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. Dr. Goldberger agreed.

All sourced from your link.

 

[Cubby]

Where did the pot come from if it wasn't in her body at the time of death?

 

[Elley Mae]

No need to be sorry. I just hope you can eventually figure it out on your own rather than having to deal with it in your own life.

bbm I have dealt with it in my own life and I have figured it out.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Does anyone have a link that shows she was on prescription medication for epilepsy.

I don't only where it was stated on the "typed" intake form. We or I haven't seen which medications she received while in jail, released. Very possible I missed that. I saw where was going to be, but haven't seen it. I would think as another member said way back she would most likely have to have a legit prescription for them to give her prescription meds. That's just my opinion, do not know that as a fact. We do know she didn't bring a purse in. Its possible that since they had her car in impound, they may have gotten her meds if she had in her purse. That's just info we do not have made public. JMHO

 

[Night-owl]

Where did the pot come from if it wasn't in her body at the time of death?

Pretty sure she used pot. After death, THC and metabolites would be released from her tissues. You can have THC in your body fat and not be high. You're high only when it gets into your brain

How long ago she was smoking? Anyone's guess. Don't know how relevant it is, she wasn't in jail for smoking grass.

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[arkansasmimi]

And we do know for a fact that she had a large amount of pot in her body.



When the Waller County District Attorney’s office released parts of the toxicology report last week, they speculated that Ms. Bland might have consumed the drug just before she was arrested, to avoid a drug possession charge. They also raised the possibility that she smoked or ingested marijuana in jail, though they have found no evidence of that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/29/us/sandra-bland-toxicology-report.html

Ms. Bland had 18 micrograms per liter of T.H.C., the main psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in her blood, according to a post-mortem report issued Monday. “In a living person, 18 micrograms per liter of T.H.C. is considered elevated, but she is not alive,” said Dr. Nikolas P. Lemos, the chief forensic toxicologist at the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in San Francisco.

If you look up thread, I posted a ss and link to the video. SB was alone for a small amount of time (unless there was someone in the bathroom prior to her walking in. The female officer from the traffic stop stands by door awaiting the jail uniform then goes in. Of SB had marijuana on her person very possible she could have swallowed it then. IF she had it with here. JMHO

 

[bwt42]

From the family's lawsuit announced @ a news conference today it seems the family's position is that we don't think it was suicide but if it was then you should have known it & taken steps to prevent it. Not judging their position or its merits. Our litigious society has long ago decided if someone is hurt, someone else has to pay. Lawyers are always looking for new classes of people to initiate lawsuits. Here's one they have not thought of. How about a child suing a parent for the loss of a sibling?

 

[BritsKate]

Where did the pot come from if it wasn't in her body at the time of death?

No one is saying it isn't there. What experts are saying is there is no way, based on toxicological reports, to ever know how much she ingested or when. The most anyone can say is that her post-mortem blood results showed 18 micrograms per liter. She may have ingested a large amount of marijuana but we'll never know. In the same vein, it's also quite possible she ingested a very small amount and the toxicological results are elevated simply because of the way THC breaks down in a dead body.

 

[arkansasmimi]

She's a victim of suicide/suicide victim. I'm not sure what's not to understand. Google "suicide victim" if you need help.

victim
[vik-tim]
Noun
1. a person who suffers from a destructive or injurious action or agency
2. a person who is deceived or cheated, as by his or her own emotions or ignorance, by the dishonesty of others, or by some impersonal agency
3. a person or animal sacrificed or regarded as sacrificed
4. a living creature sacrificed in religious rites http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/victim

Suicide
[soo-uh-sahyd]
Noun
1. the intentional taking of one's own life.
2. destruction of one's own interests or prospect
verb (used without object), suicided, suiciding.
4.
to commit suicide.
verb (used with object), suicided, suiciding.
5.
to kill (oneself). http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/suicide?&o=100074&s=t

ETA:
self–murder
noun self–mur·der \-ˈmər-dər\
Definition of SELF-MURDER

: self-destruction, suicide http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/self-murder

self–destruction
noun self–de·struc·tion \-ˈstrək-shən\
: the act of hurting or killing yourself

Full Definition of SELF-DESTRUCTION
: destruction of oneself; especially : suicide

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/self-destruction