Found Deceased TX - Sherin Mathews, 3, Richardson, 7 Oct 2017 #2

[margarita25]

My mind goes to dumping in a body of water. No digging required.

I've been thinking a dump off a bridge from the beginning, but I think a wooded disposal is easily as likely, moo.

I'm optimistic about this new piece released by LE re: the vehicle from 4 to 5, as this does shorten the possible distance (and level of organization, etc) of Sherin's disposal imo.

 

[margarita25]

Hmmmm...maybe he stopped at Walmart for supplies? Shovel, suitcase, storage container, box, bleach, incindiery, etc? Any 24 hour Walmart open within an hour's range?

 

[DatelineFan]

I think there could be other witnesses. I've been on the inside of an investigation. The public didn't know about most witnesses until after the trial. Most didn't speak to the media. As far as I know, we know about the brisket neighbor because he did.

I don't think Sherin is buried in a grave. I think this is partly why coyotes were mentioned.

I'm hopeful about camera footage. I know a lot of people have cameras facing out from the front door. Those will be helpful!

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[margarita25]

Abandoned properties, farms, sheds, etc often come into play here on WS, but I'm I'm not so sure he would be familiar with such areas, dirt roads, private properties, etc, imo, so I'm thinking maybe a more disorganized disposal? :thinking:

 

[scmom]

Right now I'm leaning toward the thought that the only "coyote" involved is dad.

 

[blue22]

I think there could be other witnesses. I've been on the inside of an investigation. The public didn't know about most witnesses until after the trial. Most didn't speak to the media. As far as I know, we know about the brisket neighbor because he did.

I don't think Sherin is buried in a grave. I think this is partly why coyotes were mentioned.

I'm hopeful about camera footage. I know a lot of people have cameras facing out from the front door. Those will be helpful!

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I completely agree. Especially in cases where children are involved, there are many witnesses you never hear about. They have likely interviewed dozens of potential witnesses and/or people who know them.

 

[DatelineFan]

Right now I'm leaning toward the thought that the only "coyote" involved is dad.

Absolutely! I'm just thinking he mentioned them because of where/how she might be found

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[margarita25]

Ugh, just a thought, maybe we should check fire reports for that night; if the case, nothing may have been necessarily documented, wooded fire, brush fire, etc. But worth a shot imo.

 

[margarita25]

($1 says Walmart might come to play here, as it often does here on WS, moo.)

 

[Margo/Mom]

The new info about the car being gone from their home 4-5 is an interesting new quirk. If it's known to be that tight of a timeline, seems more likely that that info may have come from somewhere near the premises. Three options come to mind: a neighbor who saw the car leave and return, a neighbor's surveillance camera that captured same, OR someone living at the home who has relayed that info.

But the only neighbor who came forward at the outset of things was the brisket guy, who said he heard/saw "nothing" - though he was outside with his smoker about 4:15 that morning. It'd be a bit odd if another neighbor just now stepped up with this exact car info after all the ongoing media attention (though anything's possible).

A neighbor's security cam might have picked up that car leaving the garage and returning, but then what are the odds that that Acura would've left at precisely 4 and returned at 5? (JMO, but this sounds more like a 'timeframe' to me.) The camera would've recorded the exact time, wouldn't it? Another issue with this is that, though there are exceptions, most people who have security cameras have them pointed at the various points of entry into their homes (front, side, and back doors and windows)--which position would not typically capture cars traveling down the street (at least ours would not). In this particular neighborhood, the driveways are in the back, with access along the back alley - there was no house behind WM's house with a driveway/garage camera. And we've been told that the next door neighbor immediately south (across the side alley--the home directly in front of 'the tree') had his home surveillance looked at (yard, shed, etc.) with no luck.

So to me, this seems more like a time frame given by someone who was at the house. But JMO and a hunch. The fact that WM has also admitted to being up at 3:00 am, doing laundry at 3:15 am, also seems to indicate he suspects someone in the house might know and mention that he was up, perhaps even heard the washing machine at that time...or else why would WM throw 'laundry at 3:15' into such an already unbelievable story? I believe he had to account for those particular noises and events happening, specifically, at that time...which is why he didn't say the simpler, "We woke up, the front door was open, and she was gone."

My take on the timeframe is either the garage or the vehicle show up on some film at 4 and 5. Imagine, or instance if there were a fixed camera trained on the garage to take one pic every hour on the hour. At 3 am, door is shut. At 4 am door is open and SUV not there. At 5 am door open and SUV not there. At 6 am door open and SUV there (or not). There is a timeframe (4-5) when the SUV is clearly not there. However, could have left at 3:15 and returned at 5:59.

OR alternatively, someone has motion activated cam somewhere in the subdivision. Picks up the SUV going past in one direction at 4 AM and returning at 5 AM. Again--two points in time when the SUV was clearly NOT in the garage. But the actual time out could have been longer.

I am thinking that they want other film to try and figure out where the SUV was headed so they can come up with a new search area.

 

[margarita25]

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[margarita25]

My take on the timeframe is either the garage or the vehicle show up on some film at 4 and 5. Imagine, or instance if there were a fixed camera trained on the garage to take one pic every hour on the hour. At 3 am, door is shut. At 4 am door is open and SUV not there. At 5 am door open and SUV not there. At 6 am door open and SUV there (or not). There is a timeframe (4-5) when the SUV is clearly not there. However, could have left at 3:15 and returned at 5:59.

OR alternatively, someone has motion activated cam somewhere in the subdivision. Picks up the SUV going past in one direction at 4 AM and returning at 5 AM. Again--two points in time when the SUV was clearly NOT in the garage. But the actual time out could have been longer.

I am thinking that they want other film to try and figure out where the SUV was headed so they can come up with a new search area.

Yes, imo surveillance from a home in the neighborhood likely caught the vehicle driving by, moo.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

My take on the timeframe is either the garage or the vehicle show up on some film at 4 and 5. Imagine, or instance if there were a fixed camera trained on the garage to take one pic every hour on the hour. At 3 am, door is shut. At 4 am door is open and SUV not there. At 5 am door open and SUV not there. At 6 am door open and SUV there (or not). There is a timeframe (4-5) when the SUV is clearly not there. However, could have left at 3:15 and returned at 5:59.

OR alternatively, someone has motion activated cam somewhere in the subdivision. Picks up the SUV going past in one direction at 4 AM and returning at 5 AM. Again--two points in time when the SUV was clearly NOT in the garage. But the actual time out could have been longer.

I am thinking that they want other film to try and figure out where the SUV was headed so they can come up with a new search area.

So you're thinking that LE got this from security video from a camera mounted on WM's garage (or back fence)? (Because that's the only location of a camera that could actually be pointed at his garage; he has fences on both sides of his drive and that alley/grassy easement at the end.) That's a thought...I'll have to go back and check his garage/backyard photos and see if there's a camera.

ETA: Yes, a motion-activated cam in the alley at someone's address might pick up his comings and goings...(but I don't think he'd have been as likely to have pulled out into the street as he drove away--force of habit, and more private to use alley).

 

[Gigglingtoes]

I have ring doorbell. I have it set up to catch cars passing by my house. Cars driving quickly get picked up as well as the trash guys...lawn people....Anyone who has the same perimeter set up on ring as I have, on that street, could of picked up the car leaving.

This guy being in IT might make tracking his movements harder.

 

[margarita25]

Lovely little Relisha Rudd has not been found to date. Thinking about her and her case, I'm remembering KT bought lye and trashbags, iirc...Surely he wouldn't have...OK time to stop my brain right now.

 

[margarita25]

(Pathetic we need to having this discussion right now.)

 

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[Parks]

Ok, so I did a little research and there have only been two reported killings by coyotes in the US and Canada. One was a child in 1980. There have been some attacks but I'm sure if attacked, she would've screamed her little head off, alerting neighbors or her sleeping mother.

I know we're all thinking the story is bs, but I was curious about how often people are killed by coyotes. The answer is very rarely.

 

[ocgrad]

Ok, so I did a little research and there have only been two reported killings by coyotes in the US and Canada. One was a child in 1980. There have been some attacks but I'm sure if attacked, she would've screamed her little head off, alerting neighbors or her sleeping mother.

I know we're all thinking the story is bs, but I was curious about how often people are killed by coyotes. The answer is very rarely.

And there have never been any recorded in TX.

 

[MsMarple]

IMO based on this and other cases I've followed here it's starting to come down to two possibilities. One, that WM murdered Sherin quickly then began cleaning up and disposing of her body or two, that he harmed Sherin earlier that night in anger and eventually realized her injuries were severe, maybe fatal and rather than immediately call for help he waited to see if she would recover.

Sorry to be graphic but those two scenarios show up a lot in phony missing children cases. Usually a parent gets angry and hurts the kid then realizes they went too far but decide not to get medical aid. Then if the child dies they hide the body.

We've also seen the unthinkable where a parent deliberately murders their child. Right now I'm leaning more to anger gone too far but IMO it's possible WM did decide to end Sherin's life.

What makes this case unusual to me is WM's revelations about the odd punishment, waiting for Sherin to come home before waking his wife or calling 911 and finally, saying he did some laundry. Like others here have already pointed out why not just say they woke up and she wasn't in her bed? IMO he either thinks he smarter than LE or else he's feeling guilty but not yet guilty enough to tell the rest of the story.