TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #13

[DexterMorgan]

KC and MC are the parents of MB's oldest daughters bestfriend. I don't think they have any connection in the case

So who is camper 1. Wouldnt police need a warrant to search camper 1 pings as well. So I think one of them are camper 1. But I could be wrong. Jmo

 

[cattlekate]

I worked half the night Friday and most of the night last night trying to get a close-up of the killer's right eye. It's not very good quality but here it is. From some other screen captures I got it's obvious to me that the killer at one point after prying the door is looking directly at the surveillance camera & then he/she turns his/her head down & to the left so that the camera cannot see his/her face.
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Thank you. The shape looks almondish. Not round. Maybe they were squinting, but it's definately not wide eyed roundish in this still shot.

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

So who is camper 1. Wouldnt police need a warrant to search camper 1 pings as well. So I think one of them are camper 1. But I could be wrong. Jmo

I'm pretty sure Curious21 (who's mom's friend found Missy) said that camper #1 was not on the list. Maybe she can clarify.

 

[Gwyndolyn]

I suspect that the one of the perp coming out of the kitchen and breaking the glass is first chronologically (even though it was released last). I'm not sure about the order of the other two...

That makes sense because you would think the suspect would get the loud pounding and breaking done quickly, so that Missy would not hear it and be scared off. I do think it is strange that the suspect decided to vandalize and open doors instead of hiding out. I know at one point someone said maybe opening the doors allowed the suspect to see headlights. Maybe with the limited view from the helmet the suspect felt the need to get a better visual path?

Of course all that pounding and breaking that could have been 20 minutes earlier than Missy's arrival and then the suspect quietly waited in an area for the attack. That theory makes sense to me since LE said they think she was targeted.

I still think the whole thing seems risky because if she did not go in, had someone with her, etc. the element of surprise would be over. It seems the suspect had a very good idea of the timeline, that she would be alone, and where she would go upon her entry. Perhaps even limiting damage in her direct view to give Missy a false sense of security.

There could have even been plans to stage the scene even more, but the early camper messed it up, and the suspect was forced to leave without tools, staging, getting the video film etc.

 

[Snow Flower]

Does anyone know if MB and AT were competing for campers. Are CG trainers paid by CG or do they get a percentage of each camper they have under them? I mean with 4 children and if CG is ATs only income that must be stressful. You would always be hustling. JMO. Now that CT left her executive position money must be tight. I did notice he does private training too.

 

[verbonica]

So who is camper 1. Wouldnt police need a warrant to search camper 1 pings as well. So I think one of them are camper 1. But I could be wrong. Jmo

Maybe camper 1 voluntarily gave up her phone to police to search? Then they wouldn't need a warrant.

 

[cady]

So who is camper 1. Wouldnt police need a warrant to search camper 1 pings as well. So I think one of them are camper 1. But I could be wrong. Jmo

camper 1 may have willingly relinquished his/her phone to be sure to be cleared and to be helpful. JMO

 

[MrsPC]

Thank you. The shape looks almondish. Not round. Maybe they were squinting, but it's definately not wide eyed roundish in this still shot.

I did a comparison with pics I found of the Target interests. It matched one.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I'm pretty sure Curious21 (who's mom's friend found Missy) said that camper #1 was not on the list. Maybe she can clarify.

She did say that.

Remember, these were all AT&T numbers, there is probably a Verizon (and other cell providers) warrant somewhere that we haven't seen yet. Is there a way of finding that out?

 

[cady]

I did a comparison with pics I found of the Target interests. It matched one.

male or female?
JMO

 

[FelicityLemon]

Yeah, that photographic 'analysis', well meaning as it was, really has no evidentiary value. Well, I take that back -- it does provide evidence of just how strong 'confirmation bias' is among some folks.

People start out with an assumption and interpret things in such a way to validate their own assumption -- even when the basis for doing so is incredibly weak. It's like 'tunnel vision'. It's human nature, unfortunately, and it's something that professional investigators have to deal with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Some do, some don't. However, all people are capable of reaching the wrong conclusion including professionals. The former police chief turned professional investigator was adamant and unequivocal in her observation that it was a male. Subsequent interviews given by current law enforcement professionals (including those involved in the case) are unsure and reluctant to make a definitive statement either way regarding the sex of the murderer.

I get what you're saying and agree for the most part.

 

[DexterMorgan]

camper 1 may have willingly relinquished his/her phone to be sure to be cleared and to be helpful. JMO

But the Bevers did the same. And they are on the list.

 

[sdmike1974]

Is there a way to reply with quotes on the new thread from an old thread? I wanted to quote and reply to a MzOpinion8d post. I guess I can copy paste.

Looks like when you click "Reply With Quote" an 8-digit number gets added -- perhaps a running count of the 10M+ comments posted on WS.



Don't see how you could know or find that number.

 

[Scout]

I think it's actually drywall, not glass. Look at how it falls, you can tell that it is almost powdery. Also if he hit glass it would fall straight down or the other way. Glass doesn't fly back toward you when you hit it.

Edit: Glass can fly back toward you when you hit it, but it wouldn't at the distance/speed shown in the video.

Edit 2: Re-watched it, now not sure if it is glass or drywall. Opinions?

It's tempered glass.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
I agree with you both. I understand because they were listed in the docs. But they are not the only 2 listed. If I didn't know this from following, rather trying to stay caught up, I def would think they had been listed as suspects. They were listed along with a half dozen others. I don't understand. Poor Mods. I do feel for them. It only going to get worse. I have been trying to state facts and remind when possible .. I prefer to go by factual known things. Fact yes many names are listed not just 2. I am by a lot of the stuff said that normally would be a VI posting. But we don't have a Suspect so guess cant have a VI lol JMHO... Hang in there don't go too far away

Ok, seriously not trying to start anything here. But if we can only state facts, then this thread would only be a few pages long. And what would be the point of having a discussion available if only facts are to be stated. I've looked back at individual posts, and everyone who is complaining about how we should only be stating facts here, has stated their opinion and not facts at some point before.

Edit: Can we all agree to go to mods with complaints instead of posting it here. It just adds to the stuff for mods to have to go through and delete later.

Thing is, just because rumors about someone is stated over and over until someone comes and reads it thinking its factual. Just because it's repeated as facts does not mean it in the context some take it or state it. Yes we can have opinions and that's why we state JMHO or MOO or whatever so people know that what it is. We are suppose to have links for references. I dont think the purpose of any of these threads is to be some some race to have many pages. JMHO its not the complaints that cause a clean up needed it the responsibility of the members and what they post and be within the TOS.

 

[shannon15]

There is a lot of confirmation bias in these threads. People think it's a man, so they look at the video and look for the aspects of the perp that confirm the idea it's a man. Or vice versa for a woman perp.
I still can't say for sure because if I look for things about the perp that are "man-like" or "woman-like" I can find things that can confirm both. Not to mention the fact that not every woman 'walks like a woman' and same for a man. Stereotyping can be very misleading.

If one person has crohn's, a little stress= pain, diarrhea, weight loss, no appetite, depression

 

[Eloise]

Maybe camper 1 voluntarily gave up her phone to police to search? Then they wouldn't need a warrant.

But are these warrants about searching phones? Or phone records? Two different things. I can't imagine any of the people on that list not volunteering their phone, none have been described as not cooperating. But stuff can be deleted off phones. It's not deleted at the company's end, plus they have even more info than a phone does.

 

[leebee52]

I would give the police anything at all that they wanted for any reason at all that sounded even halfway reasonable to me, that's how i feel toward all police.

 

[Gae]

Sometimes when I study the eyes/face photo, it looks like a very thin dark line across the bridge of the nose and also near the temple area. That makes me wonder if it's possible the perp wore goggles of some sort, maybe even tanning goggles, but some sort of goggles because of those thin dark lines.

 

[leebee52]

does a stingray mean the police locally can just choose a cell phone number and call it and intercept the call? Can the poice set that up so that it constantly records one person's phone calls from that number? Can the stingray only do one number at a time?