TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #13

[Nic47]

that was the interview with the bloody shirt and dog fight - I remember her saying that and thinking, "well that was odd and a little "over the top" to say..."

this is in reference to KS, and the comment about the killer probably out drinking a margarita in this beautiful weather...

 

[Mechanix52]

Good morning all,

I value everyone's passion in this case, as LE brings MB's murderer to justice. I am a noob to WS and a lurker of this case for some time. I did my own research and want to share my thoughts. Everything I'm going to say is JUST MY OWN HUMBLE OPINION. I wanted to spell it out so no one was confused.

Again, all my own opinion.

BB- was out of town - probably true
RB/VB- also out of town - probably true

AT - I have serious doubts he had anything beyond a professional relationship with MB.

CT - Appears to be normal with her SM posts and going about her business. Her right leg seems to be too perfect of a tell.

The others on that warrant do not interest me at all.

The problem I have with some theories is that it looks obvious to some who did it. But IMO it looks WAY too obvious. IMO AT mentioning that he can't talk about his garbage being taken is because LE told him that someone is setting CT/AT up. Who would stage a burglary, murder someone, then throw out the evidence in their own trash?! Come on makes no d@#% sense. Why would you plan this scheme and then afterwards toss any evidence in your trash. Makes no sense. None. It's not a stupid mistake to make, it's probably one of the most stupid mistakes you could make. Now I could be wrong, like all of us, but I have seen enough forensic files to know that's how you get caught.

IMO As to what I believe, there is someone involved in this case who's FB posts don't fit. Some people don't understand how BB, RB, VB, AT, or CT's SM can be what it is. Some WSers question the things they post especially at the time they are posting. Others on WS argue to justify those posts, through the grieving process or they really didn't know her. Which I'm ok with. But there is someone who stands out.

IMO there is one person's FB that contradicts what's happening, and the justifications are not that they grieve differently or that we don't know what went on behind the scenes. Through my sleuthing, IMO, on FB I have no proof that this person was MB's enemy, and that doesn't matter until you take into account I have no proof this person was that good of friends to MB at all.

It's like finding the "arrow" in the FEDEx logo. If you look at the logo you can see all the letters clearly, but once you find the "arrow" it becomes the only thing you can see.

 

[MargeGunderson]

I don't want to rehash if it's already been discussed but the 'car wreck' comments from the timeline were new to me and it just seems so odd. It doesn't even seem to fit with the idea of trying to appear to have no knowledge of the crime when really you do since it seems so unlikely that CG Camper would have said anything to make him think it was a car accident. Even if Camper didn't personally see her body, anyone arriving at the scene that morning for the class had to know it was a murder. People would have been freaking out and talking.

Another thing that struck me as odd is that Camper would have been able to call BB. Do her students all know her husband's cell phone number? And if Camper had to get it from someone else, why would he be the one to make the call? If I didn't know the person's husband, I would leave that to either someone who knew the him or the police. So it seems like Camper is someone who knew them both and knew him well enough to decide to be the one to call and tell him about his wife.

 

[lstiff]

Good morning all,

I value everyone's passion in this case, as LE brings MB's murderer to justice. I am a noob to WS and a lurker of this case for some time. I did my own research and want to share my thoughts. Everything I'm going to say is JUST MY OWN HUMBLE OPINION. I wanted to spell it out so no one was confused.

Again, all my own opinion.

BB- was out of town - probably true
RB/VB- also out of town - probably true

AT - I have serious doubts he had anything beyond a professional relationship with MB.

CT - Appears to be normal with her SM posts and going about her business. Her right leg seems to be too perfect of a tell.

The others on that warrant do not interest me at all.

The problem I have with some theories is that it looks obvious to some who did it. But IMO it looks WAY too obvious. IMO AT mentioning that he can't talk about his garbage being taken is because LE told him that someone is setting CT/AT up. Who would stage a burglary, murder someone, then throw out the evidence in their own trash?! Come on makes no d@#% sense. Why would you plan this scheme and then afterwards toss any evidence in your trash. Makes no sense. None. It's not a stupid mistake to make, it's probably one of the most stupid mistakes you could make. Now I could be wrong, like all of us, but I have seen enough forensic files to know that's how you get caught.

IMO As to what I believe, there is someone involved in this case who's FB posts don't fit. Some people don't understand how BB, RB, VB, AT, or CT's SM can be what it is. Some WSers question the things they post especially at the time they are posting. Others on WS argue to justify those posts, through the grieving process or they really didn't know her. Which I'm ok with. But there is someone who stands out.

IMO there is one person's FB that contradicts what's happening, and the justifications are not that they grieve differently or that we don't know what went on behind the scenes. Through my sleuthing, IMO, on FB I have no proof that this person was MB's enemy, and that doesn't matter until you take into account I have no proof this person was that good of friends to MB at all.

It's like finding the "arrow" in the FEDEx logo. If you look at the logo you can see all the letters clearly, but once you find the "arrow" it becomes the only thing you can see.

So are you saying you feel it's 1 of the 4 people that you named above since the others don't interest you or is it another person that has not been mentioned? TIA

ETA: Welcome! Great 1st post! :welcome:

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I don't want to rehash if it's already been discussed but the 'car wreck' comments from the timeline were new to me and it just seems so odd. It doesn't even seem to fit with the idea of trying to appear to have no knowledge of the crime when really you do since it seems so unlikely that CG Camper would have said anything to make him think it was a car accident. Even if Camper didn't personally see her body, anyone arriving at the scene that morning for the class had to know it was a murder. People would have been freaking out and talking.

Another thing that struck me as odd is that Camper would have been able to call BB. Do her students all know her husband's cell phone number? And if Camper had to get it from someone else, why would he be the one to make the call? If I didn't know the person's husband, I would leave that to either someone who knew the him or the police. So it seems like Camper is someone who knew them both and knew him well enough to decide to be the one to call and tell him about his wife.

I under what you're saying and what's been said on here is that an innocent explanation could be that they gave him a polite answer that there was an 'accident' rather than saying she was murdered and then 'accident' turned into 'car accident' in the subsequent retellings to the family (SIL is the one who used the phrase, but she was getting it many levels removed as it went Camper ->BB-> BB stepmother->SIL).

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

that was the interview with the bloody shirt and dog fight - I remember her saying that and thinking, "well that was odd and a little "over the top" to say..."

this is in reference to KS, and the comment about the killer probably out drinking a margarita in this beautiful weather...

Anyone know what day it was KS said that?

 

[Inthedetails]

I don't want to rehash if it's already been discussed but the 'car wreck' comments from the timeline were new to me and it just seems so odd. It doesn't even seem to fit with the idea of trying to appear to have no knowledge of the crime when really you do since it seems so unlikely that CG Camper would have said anything to make him think it was a car accident. Even if Camper didn't personally see her body, anyone arriving at the scene that morning for the class had to know it was a murder. People would have been freaking out and talking.

Another thing that struck me as odd is that Camper would have been able to call BB. Do her students all know her husband's cell phone number? And if Camper had to get it from someone else, why would he be the one to make the call? If I didn't know the person's husband, I would leave that to either someone who knew the him or the police. So it seems like Camper is someone who knew them both and knew him well enough to decide to be the one to call and tell him about his wife.

I'm not sure if the caller said "car wreck" or "accident." That needs to be clarified.

At first I thought it was strange that a camper would call BB, but now that we know there was at least one camper who was friends with the Bevers through through their children, it doesn't strike me as strange any more. I can picture myself doing something similar if I had knowledge of a mom friend of mine being injured - my thoughts would be with the mom's family, especially if I knew the children. (I actually don't have phone numbers of my mom-friend husbands on my phone, but I have numbers if we are couple-friends, ykwim?)

Even in making the phone call, though, I wouldn't explain the horror of what happened. I can picture using the word "accident" as a kindness....and because it wouldn't be my place to do anything more than alert the husband to come quickly.

I think the phone call from the camper to BB is innocent on the caller's part, though I didn't at first. This is why, I state,
JMOpinion, subject to change.

 

[North coast]

I don't want to rehash if it's already been discussed but the 'car wreck' comments from the timeline were new to me and it just seems so odd. It doesn't even seem to fit with the idea of trying to appear to have no knowledge of the crime when really you do since it seems so unlikely that CG Camper would have said anything to make him think it was a car accident. Even if Camper didn't personally see her body, anyone arriving at the scene that morning for the class had to know it was a murder. People would have been freaking out and talking.

Another thing that struck me as odd is that Camper would have been able to call BB. Do her students all know her husband's cell phone number? And if Camper had to get it from someone else, why would he be the one to make the call? If I didn't know the person's husband, I would leave that to either someone who knew the him or the police. So it seems like Camper is someone who knew them both and knew him well enough to decide to be the one to call and tell him about his wife.

In all fairness, no one posting here is privy to exactly what was said. I believe it was theorized several threads ago that the camper may have said "there's been an accident" and that somehow morphed into car accident between MIL & SIL. It's not really a sticking point for me. JMO but do you really call someone and tell them their spouse has been brutally murdered? I would have probably said "accident" too and let the police explain. MOO

 

[lstiff]

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Slain-Fitness-Instructors-Sister-in-Law-Speaks-to-Dateline-376629821.html

KS interview and article for reference.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Anyone know what day it was KS said that?

Playing devil's advocate with the KS comment - if someone were affected closely by such a heinous, shocking crime to lose someone they cared about, and it were a beautiful spring Texas day - that comment does not strike me as too out of line. This weather right now is what we live for here in Texas before the *****storm of summer comes. Out drinking a margarita on some patio is what a lot of us do at every opportunity. Just wanted to throw that out.

 

[MargeGunderson]

I'm not sure if the caller said "car wreck" or "accident." That needs to be clarified.

At first I thought it was strange that a camper would call BB, but now that we know there was at least one camper who was friends with the Bevers through through their children, it doesn't strike me as strange any more. I can picture myself doing something similar if I had knowledge of a mom friend of mine being injured - my thoughts would be with the mom's family, especially if I knew the children. (I actually don't have phone numbers of my mom-friend husbands on my phone, but I have numbers if we are couple-friends, ykwim?)

Even in making the phone call, though, I wouldn't explain the horror of what happened. I can picture using the word "accident" as a kindness....and because it wouldn't be my place to do anything more than alert the husband to come quickly.

I think the phone call from the camper to BB is innocent on the caller's part, though I didn't at first. This is why, I state,
JMOpinion, subject to change.

Thanks - this makes sense. This was completely new to me so I didn't even realize that we knew there were campers who were friends of the Bevers. So yes, then I would call the husband. I guess I was thinking that I wouldn't tell him what happened but I might say something like 'I'm here at the church and Missy has been hurt' etc. But then again I'm calmly sitting on my couch, not standing outside a church where my friend lay dead so my wits are more about me. Interestingly, I wasn't thinking this could incriminate Camper, I was thinking it was odd from BB's standpoint. But since we don't know what Camper actually said then it could be very innocent. One thing for sure about the call, it should help confirm (or refute) where BB was at the time of the call. Of course that doesn't eliminate a potential conspiracy.

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

Playing devil's advocate with the KS comment - if someone were affected closely by such a heinous, shocking crime to lose someone they cared about, and it were a beautiful spring Texas day - that comment does not strike me as too out of line. This weather right now is what we live for here in Texas before the *****storm of summer comes. Out drinking a margarita on some patio is what a lot of us do at every opportunity. Just wanted to throw that out.

I'm trying to figure out what day KS said this. There's a person on fbook that posted something almost exact that's been on my radar.

I think the family knows who it is. Jmo

 

[Txstrace]

I have 2 cell phones (1 for work, 1 personal) so I'm not sure what that would tell. I also have 4 other cell phones on my family plan so I would assume that they could get a warrant for all of them since they're in my name. I'd be interested to see what that warrant would look like...lol

 

[Littletipsy]

Would Crossfit be considered a competitor of CG?

 

[liltexans]

Someone upthread asked what the most common motives for murder are. I think there are different theories about what motivates someone and we don't know the motivation for Missy's murderer, so we can just speculate for now.

Here's one perspective about common motivations for murder from Dateline's Josh Mankiewicz:

The veteran NBC TV crime reporter touches on many intriguing topics including Princess Diana, the trial of Jodi Arias and something he was once told by an LAPD homicide-robbery division vet:

The detective said to me, ‘You can classify almost all murders under three motives: money; love; pride.’ And the truth is, that does take care of, or explain, a huge number of murders. ‘I wanted his drugs, I wanted to sell them’ – money; ‘I didn’t want to be married to my wife anymore’ – and sometimes love is the absence of love, or it’s the desire to live with another person…

And sometimes, a story I covered recently was a guy who committed a murder up in Washington state, a murder of a man he did not even know. But that man reminded him of someone the killer had known in his childhood… He just believed that this guy was an abuser and took it upon himself to kill a guy who to him, represented a fight that he had never been able to fight in the past. Pride.

http://www.adweek.com/fishbowlny/da...edge-show-mark-thompson-heather-ankeny/195170

 

[catpatrol]

I can see why BB would have 2 cell phones, but I am surprised by VB having 2. Is she retired or still working?


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[DaleTray]

Good morning all,
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Snipped for brevity: Welcome to the group. Wanted to say thank you for a wonderful post

 

[liltexans]

Good point. And that's probably why the couple whose child is friends with a Bevers child appears on the target list on the warrant. LE should be able to make a line on the map between the two phones - one end of the line at the church and the other wherever BB was at 5:30am.

That should confirm/deny his alibi, I would assume. Right?

Jmopinion

If you are referring to BB's alibi regarding his physical location at the time of the murder, then yes, I think phone records and pings, combined with BB's flight information, rental car receipts, etc. should confirm that. But that just rules BB out as being physically present at the church during the murder. It doesn't confirm that he had no involvement with the murder or any knowledge that the murder was going to take place. I think that piece is what many people are waiting to see confirmed.

 

[nawd68]

We know that MB posted on FB the night before that they would be meeting under the awning of the church due to rain.

Where did they meet usually? Did they still meet on the church grounds or a different location?

 

[Glammie]

Just a couple of general comments. There may be multiple people involved (some involved a walkie-talkie type communication device was used) or at least LE has to check that even if LE is certain of who did the murder itself. Also with the tools left behind, it's not said where the tools were left. Keep in mind the tools were used as weapons and it wouldn't be unusual to find someone with a knife left stuck in them nor for instance should be unusual to find someone with a screwdriver stuck in them if the screwdriver was used like a knife, especially if the intent was desecration.

This ☝️

I believe this is exactly what the case is.