TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #13

[IQuestion]

I got some pics of the white thing last night - it appears to me from watching the surveillance video that the killer was not carrying the white thing from the start - it wasn't in the killer's hand until they opened up that first door (before moving to the next door where they tried to pry the door.) After the killer opens that first door then you see that it's in his/her right hand and when he/she moves to that next door he/she places the white thing in a right pocket before proceeding to pry that 2nd door. And from a closeup pic it appears to be shiny/ceramic/braided...almost like some sort of pillar/candle holder/something of that nature.

View attachment 94142

bumping image to match the pic I linked, yes appears decorative. Long rectangular ornate serving tray in silver with scalloped edges and short pedestal legs from the kitichen/coffee area for holding sugar packets, crackers etc.? Someone from the church would know if one was missing, right?

 

[Murrayforlife]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=93451&stc=1
This is what I think it is.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Originally Posted by observation View Post
I just tried researching on my own- here is the question:
Does anyone recall that early on in this case, LE mentioned they got a really bad picture of a car (from local gun shop) but that it might not be usable???

SpanishInquisition #855 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-13&p=12540430#post12540430
Johnson said a vehicle can be seen on the video may belong to the killer, but there's not enough information to give the public.

"There’s one surveillance camera where you can see the car in the far corner of the frame, parked in the distance. You can't make out a plate, and we're not even comfortable releasing anything about a possible make or model,” Johnson said. http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Po...idlothian-Murder-Investigation-376269831.html

From your article

Johnson said a vehicle can be seen on the video may belong to the killer, but there's not enough information to give the public.

"There’s one surveillance camera where you can see the car in the far corner of the frame, parked in the distance. You can't make out a plate, and we're not even comfortable releasing anything about a possible make or model,” Johnson said http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Po...idlothian-Murder-Investigation-376269831.html

So either a camera from 1) inside the church captured it thru window.. :thinking: Camera pointed towards rear hall doors that busted maybe (North East corner of building)? A North side of building camera in area pointing to the double exit doors (opposite the ones MB came through) on Main hall?

OR from the same Outdoor Store? That the video possibly came from with MB entering parking lot? :thinking: Here are some more photos I have found 1 it is very easy to see the Outdoor Store from the Parking lot of the church! This will be rear of building Covered Awning side. (South East corner)

And this one. From the South East corner looking back towards the North East corner of (rear of building looking toward the dumpster area)

JMHO

 

[Murrayforlife]

From your article

Johnson said a vehicle can be seen on the video may belong to the killer, but there's not enough information to give the public.

"There’s one surveillance camera where you can see the car in the far corner of the frame, parked in the distance. You can't make out a plate, and we're not even comfortable releasing anything about a possible make or model,” Johnson said http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Po...idlothian-Murder-Investigation-376269831.html

So either a camera from 1) inside the church captured it thru window.. :thinking: Camera pointed towards rear hall doors that busted maybe (North East corner of building)? A North side of building camera in area pointing to the double exit doors (opposite the ones MB came through) on Main hall?

OR from the same Outdoor Store? That the video possibly came from with MB entering parking lot? :thinking: Here are some more photos I have found 1 it is very easy to see the Outdoor Store from the Parking lot of the church! This will be rear of building Covered Awning side. (South East corner) View attachment 94179

And this one. From the South East corner looking back towards the North East corner of (rear of building looking toward the dumpster area) View attachment 94180

JMHO

Great pics Mimi! IMO they have blown up pic and id'd color of car at very least. From cam inside church. I don't believe they got anything useful from gun store but that is JMO. I do agree that perp went that way. Many more options. Unless.....they were going home and didn't live far.....

 

[verbonica]

bumping image to match the pic I linked, yes appears decorative.

I really don't think that the object is wavy, braided, serrated or anything like that. As others have mentioned, it's the pixelation of the image from the camera. Look at the baseboard and the door frame -- they appear like have the same wwwwwww-looking type of thing on them.

(I'll try to insert a sample of pixelation -- let's see if this works)

 

[arkansasmimi]

This is a death penalty case, anyone involved including the perp needs to come forward with what they know or be charged accordingly. Cooperation and confession will lead to a better sentence. Don't mess with Texas, they are not afraid of the death penalty and use it often.

The truth shall set you free.... Unless you kill someone then you better contact a lawyer.. :underbus: :copcar: :busted:

 

[KaaBoom]

For what it's worth, the death penalty has no deterrent value whatsoever -- quite the contrary, in fact. And most people committing crimes like murder do, in fact, think they will get away with it.

Or they just don’t care if they get the death penalty. Most people who are executed is because they don’t even fight it.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I suggest people stop looking at heavily pixelated closeup of the item in the killer's hand and review the unadulterated video from Midlo PD on YouTube. It is clearly an elongated rectangular object. There are no sawtooth edges and no open areas in it. It is not a saw or a spiral candle or a wrench or a door mechanism.

https://youtu.be/ePS8TJ6UAqY

Furthermore, the panic bar on the interior of the kitchen door was not removed. The exterior handle was pried off. The window was broken and the killer reached inside and pushed the panic bar to open the door.

Agree... except BBM.... we do not know if the Suspect got it all the way off or not. LEO could have finished removing it and took it in for forensic tool matching. JMHO

 

[DexterMorgan]

My take is that the camera only picked up the image of the distantly parked car from a window inside the church after [the perp's] movements activated the camera. MOO

Could be. But wasn't the interior cameras in the halls. Plus a make and model would be hard to see at night through a interior camera glimpse through a window. Especially if the lights are on inside and its pitch black dark outside.

Now they made it sound like they couldn't get a license plate number which would suggest that the car was in the realm but unfortunately we couldn't zoom in on the plates.

So I'm truly thinking that an exterior camera picked up the car. But I truly don't know.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Ultimately I think this was personal. Very personal and close to home.

Snipped for brevity.

Yes, agree this may possible be very close to home. Especially the disguise.

Someone planned (in their mind) the perfect murder in great detail.

Anyone remember the case where Cop A's wife Shauna, who was an EMT controller, had an affair with Cop B? I can't remember all names & details. Shauna Heather & Greely is lurking in my head. Cop B eventually moved away. The murderer, convicted ex-EMT Shauna, was driving away from the scene and Cop A stopped her. Shauna deliberately disguised herself (all in black) and also had a working knowledge of police forensic & crime investigation; it was alleged she wore extra large size shoes to throw police off along with a black cape.

Without repeating that love-triangle, Shauna's desire for Cop B and her hate for Heather ended up in a senseless murder. Could the SwatPerp have added padding, worn bigger shoes with higher in-soles? The helmet may also 'blur' exact height to a degree. Maybe the perp was wearing a face-mask that altered the forehead, nose and eyes? Short of going as Michelin Man, the perp seemed comfortable in literally covering all of his or her bases in this crime in full black padding. Pre-med without a shadow of a doubt to me. Very cruel to use a hammer and very personal to go for the chest, face and head. Hate, rage and revenge jumps out at me.

As per my previous long post couple days ago, I believe Missy was also closely stalked. That in itself is creepy. Let's trust LinkedIn message-tracking will pay off.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Now I think A. TUcker posted on the 25th that its garbage day and someone went through trash. Now I think the 25th was a Monday which makes garbage day on the 18th when Missy was killed.

So the killer could have disposed whatever fairly quickly. Now I'm not suggesting AJ nor family. But any person can see a garbage bin or dumpster and throw something in there. Jmo

 

[KaaBoom]

OT: interesting aside, it looks like the Ill fated Superconducting Super Collider tunnel path would have gone very near the church. https://blogs.library.unt.edu/southwest-metroplex/2015/09/16/a-look-into-tomorrow-for-waxahachie/

Looks like that would have been more down by where the highway splits.

 

[arkansasmimi]

so are you thinking - from your Creekside kitchen door #3 pic - that the large white thing that the killer is carrying is possibly that missing door handle & plate?

NO , but threads back after I had been looking at a gazillion photos and watching the video at least that many working on church layout, I couldn't tell if the panic part of the door was still on and just made comment asking could that be it... Bill replied could very well be. We were just thinking out loud...not stating or rather I was not trying to state that is what the Suspect had. I have absolutely no idea what it is.

 

[sdmike1974]

A few random thoughts before I retire for the night.

I read that postpartum depression affects about 13% of women after giving birth and can develop anywhere from a few weeks to a year after delivery.

Seems if the wife suspects the husband of infidelity based on one encounter, normally this would not trigger that much rage, jealousy and violence.

Unless it built up over time with the husband constantly referring to Missy in glowing or very positive terms.

If a burner phone (or smart phone) was used, was it used to communicate with a getaway driver and lookout for when Missy arrived and immediately after the killing to make a pickup -- and therefore it was not used to make a video or take photos?

 

[arkansasmimi]

3 weeks. That's a long time. That's a lot of time to watch how people walk. Slip ups. Phone traces.

Eactly and thinking that's why they gave the time frame at least on the cell phone search warrant seen so far... March 1 thru April 24, 2016.... 6 days after the Murder and full day after the funeral of MB

ETA We have no idea what other SW they have written/executed and probably have sealed. I feel sure because of the skips in SW #s that there are some that have been sealed. Could be other cell phone numbers as well. JMHO

 

[DexterMorgan]

Also imo. I don't think a perp may necessarily leave a phone at home. They may take the phone with them just in case the car breaks down or they get into a accident or whatever. But they will turn the phone off when leaving home and then turn it back on when they arrive back home.

So even if they don't ping from the tower near the church. The fbi would still be able to see if your phone stopped pinging anywhere for a certain amount of time and then popped up again. Jmo.

 

[arkansasmimi]

What difference would that have made? Even if they did drive-bys they wouldn't have discovered anything before the campers did IMO. Resources are limited and I'm guessing that a workout on a church lawn is pretty low priority at any time of day.

If anything the church should have made sure all of their cameras were working and that they had cameras outside capturing all the doors and windows on the exterior of the building, IMO.

Honest question.. Could the Family sue the church because the cameras were not working outside. Just a random thought. Civil court I mean. I honestly dont know how something like this would work .. I am sure MB would have had to pay to use the facility

 

[DexterMorgan]

A few random thoughts before I retire for the night.

I read that postpartum depression affects about 13% of women after giving birth and can develop anywhere from a few weeks to a year after delivery.

Seems if the wife suspects the husband of infidelity based on one encounter, normally this would not trigger that much rage, jealousy and violence.

Unless it built up over time with the husband constantly referring to Missy in glowing or very positive terms.

If a burner phone (or smart phone) was used, was it used to communicate with a getaway driver and lookout for when Missy arrived and immediately after the killing to make a pickup -- and therefore it was not used to make a video or take photos?

Great point. But I must say. In regards to CT for instance. Hubby was hands on with numerous decent women due to his classes. Alot were similar to Missy in aspect to being married with careers and wanted self health. Plus these women paid him.

So why would a CT or any trainers wife just focus on Missy. When women are paying their husbands to be physically involved with them.

Also if Missy was flirting with CW for months on LinkedIn. Then he was probably her type and she was bonding with the flirtatious fantasy with him perhaps. So I doubt she seen AJ in that manner. And besides showing AJ the CG ropes and going to a CG convention to help him master how CG did things; I doubt him and Missy was involved too much besides the business aspect.

He already had a following from his self defense classes. And I'm sure plenty of house wives continously signed up. So I don't think CT would target Missy when there were other women that actually paid her husband for the
honor of being taught by him. Jmo.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Would someone kindly provide the church floor plan diagram drawn by a WS member as well as the generic church floor plan that was previously posted. Thanks!

Here is the one that I came up with by looking at photos from within the church. I feel confident in it but its JMHO of course. I posted it on the Media Thread here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eline-*NO-DISCUSSION*&p=12537809#post12537809

 

[SandyQLS]

Also imo. I don't think a perp may necessarily leave a phone at home. They may take the phone with them just in case the car breaks down or they get into a accident or whatever. But they will turn the phone off when leaving home and then turn it back on when they arrive back home. So even if they don't ping from the tower near the church. The fbi would still be able to see if your phone stopped pinging anywhere for a certain amount of time and then popped up again. Jmo.

Now you made me LOL. I am going to commit MURDER and have blood on me, but I'm going to worry about getting a flat tire or into a fender bender, better take that phone with me for safety even though it will tie me to the crime by pinging a tower in the wee hours of the AM in a rural place with only 3 towers close by because I might call AAA! Really. Well, some criminals are that dumb, I suppose, the Sievers murderers for instance. Luvya.