TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #32

[CHUCKJ]

I believe this was pure speculation. I brought it up in a post and ArkMimi sent me where the post had originally come from. It was from a poster( who is no longer here) so I discounted it immediately and retracted my remark.

Sent from my SM-G386T using Tapatalk

Thanks. Who knows how many pages I would have had to read through to go back and find that. I almost messaged you directly to ask, because I thought I remembered you commneted on it, but thought it was a long shot. That just goes to show you how ingrossed some of us are in this case. If I go to the grocery store for two things, I probably forget one of them. Ha! Thanks again.

 

[CHUCKJ]

Was working out today and a man there walked just like SP. When I asked the trainer how he acquired the limp, he said MS.....and I know there were a number here who said that but I totally discounted it. I don't anymore. But.......

My question is...why dress up to completely disquise everything about youself except for the one thing you can.'t Granted, not a way, really to disguise that and/but....maybe whoever it is/was didn't figure that their walk would be broadcast around the world.

Sent from my SM-G386T using Tapatalk

JMO: I think most people are not consious of their manerisms. Since the beginning, I have noticed at least a couple of dozen people walking similar. Its kinda like when you get a new car, and all of a sudden you see them everywhere. Maybe it's just me?

 

[tazman1160]

Originally Posted by No it's not
I have posted it before. POI is possibly a CChurch affiliate. Motive: MB "disgraced" "their" church with something, that was either directly or indirectly (tape) witnessed by that person not so long prior to MB's murder. The CG group in general was an "eyesore" to that person. They wanted them to find MB "crucified" at the church. They "cleansed" the church by their action. Somebody knows, but is bound by priest-penitent privilege. LE was still tipped off by a person close to person with knowledge. Bevers family.. is not involved.






-Nin



tazman1160:
For clarification:

The "Church of Christ" in that above website ( http://www.churchofchrist-tl.org/about.html ) is a group of individuals who were/are Mormons, but shortened their name from "The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" (or Mormon church) to distinguish a difference of opinion from some of the Mormon beliefs.


This website ( http://church-of-christ.org/who ) is an explanation of the beliefs church of Christ who were never affiliated with Mormanism.
These Christians believe we can "reproduce in contemporary times the church originally established on Pentecost, A.D. 30. and strive to adhere to the teachings of Christ's original church as revealed to us by the BIBLE."

The second group is more close to the beliefs of the Creekside church, with one exception that I see...instrumental music used in worship services.

With respect, if a member of Creekside disagreed with MB using that facility because they believed it was a "disgrace" to the church, all they had to do was request that CG find another facility. If one person didn't like CG using the facility, there probably were others, and COC members, ministers, elders, deacons do listen to the membership on this sort of thing and try to keep from offending others.

Killing would be much more of a disgrace than the eyesore of the CG group.


Also COC minsters and/ or elders do not hear "confessions," in the sense of " priest-penitent privilege." The COC believes that the ministers and elders role is to teach, guide, and "shepherd" the flock, but that they have no more special privilege or esteem than other members. If a person has sinned an sincerely desires to be restored, all they have to do is state this and request the prayers of the congregation. They do not have to divulge their particular "sin." COC members believe it is not their place to judge the persons sincerity and that forgiveness is up to GOD alone according to the persons true repentance.
~MOO with first hand knowledge of COC beliefs~

SteveS:

Originally Posted by DeDee
Thank you for the FYI. You have extended useful information to this case. In your esteemed opinion, Mormonism is a pseudo-Christian religion? If the website linked stated that it is the Church of Christ's beliefs how is one to know to discern it from an 'offshoot' of Mormonism?



Yes, I believe that to be true. And thank you. As for how we know who this group on the website is, names can be confusing, and people call themselves this or that to try to market themselves in certain ways, but their tenets tell the story. Claiming a "temple" site in America is a giveaway (the main Mormon group also has a "temple") as is the reference to a significant change in Christianity in about 1830 (the claim of new revelation to add to the Bible as we know it, being delivered to Joseph Smith). I won't turn this into a discussion of them, but that's not the same people we see at CCoC.

Originally Posted by DeDee
I truly do not wish to argue religion in the thread as my post was in response to another who stated the unsub may have utilized the priest/penitent binding privilege. So are the ministers of the Creekside CoC, ordained priests? My guess would be they are not. http://www.creeksidecc.com/meet-our-ministers/



The term "priest" is more a Catholic/Anglican concept, as is the concept of a rite of confession to them. You'll see neither of those here. Of course this church will have a leader, likely "ordained" by the church, who offers the sermon and acts as a shepherd spiritually, and who may offer counseling to the church members, but the idea that the perp might be a member here who has revealed his evil in some sort of confessional rite and is hiding behind some veil of secrecy wouldn't align with how this church operates.

Yes, Christians believe that forgiveness from God is possible for any sin. But I can't envision one who already has the love of God in his heart murdering someone in the first place. And we do believe that while God is gracious when we stumble, sin will still bring consequences in this life, and will obstruct our ability to have the joy of a walk with God and fellowship with other Christians, so by faith and the help of God, we avoid sin and do good to all, rather than the other way around.

The bottom line is, I can't imagine that a true believer who attends CCoC, or any other, would have committed this heinous act. It just doesn't fit.

Hope that helps.

All IMO


***Thank you SteveS ...I totally agree

 

[11frogs]

I have to know, what does a ruthless killer look like just before committing murder? What I mean is, is there video evidence of enough murders to get an idea of how someone might act in the moments leading up to it?

The reason I ask, is because I was physically abused by someone when I was younger. That person would calmly tidy things up while humming softly right before unleashing a storm of abusive rage. It was so predictable that to this very day, whenever I hear someone humming a song, I nearly have a panic attack.

I don't think people necessarily look or act a certain way before committing violent attacks. Especially if they're attempting to gather their courage or disguise their intentions. The calm before the storm is an expression that has significant meaning to me. I'd bet there are others out there who have noticed something similar.

Thats my point BatBrat...if hired hit man his demeanor is calm and calculated. This isn't his first rodeo. Wouldn't be his last.
In other words I just can't see SP being someone who knew MB and being that calm before the storm. Even hitting the window at the end of video isn't like SP was ramping up. It's just my thoughts.

Yes unfortunately lately we have all seen the calm before the storm in killers around the world. They just walk through airports and boom. Others total chaos.

I am sorry for what you went through...me too, except it was Jack Daniels still evokes that feeling if I ever get a whiff of it. We are survivors and are strong.

 

[CHUCKJ]

I have to know, what does a ruthless killer look like just before committing murder? What I mean is, is there video evidence of enough murders to get an idea of how someone might act in the moments leading up to it?

The reason I ask, is because I was physically abused by someone when I was younger. That person would calmly tidy things up while humming softly right before unleashing a storm of abusive rage. It was so predictable that to this very day, whenever I hear someone humming a song, I nearly have a panic attack.

I don't think people necessarily look or act a certain way before committing violent attacks. Especially if they're attempting to gather their courage or disguise their intentions. The calm before the storm is an expression that has significant meaning to me. I'd bet there are others out there who have noticed something similar.

I hate to hear of anyone being abused, but having lived through that, you are correct and have the life expreience to confirm it. I agree, that that type of personality is unpredictable. I can't count the number of times we have all heard comentary from famly, friends, and coworkers, that they just never would have thought that the murder could have done somthing like that. Crimes of passion, are just that, and they dont usually start with weird perps dressed in desquise lurking around a closed church in the wee hours of the morning. Had the suspect been wearing kakies and waiting for her on the front steps, maybe.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Unless those doors are 48" wide - which I do not believe they are those are at best 36" stained concrete tiles. When SP open the door they are the same width as the door.

Also where in this picture is the large opening for the front of the church (actual main entrance) please?

First, those doors are 30 inches. None of the doors are the size of the tiles. That hallway is 16 feet wide (a little less due to dry wall on the walls on each side). Those really are 4x4 squares aligned as a diamond.

To answer your question about where the actual main entrance ...

SP is clearly in front of that column. That column is located 44 feet from the start of the west hall looking north. (52 feet from the southwest vestibule inner doors.) That column is 1 foot wide. So the main entryway starts 45 feet down. About 10 to 15 feet behind SP. That main entry area is 24 feet wide. After that the hall extends another 45 feet until you get to the north hall way and 53 feet to the vestibule doors on that end.

I know the position of that column by calculating the numbers using the actual measurements of the building and combined with the tax information for that building and I know the width of the main entry and the length and width of the entryway on the north end of that hall (coincidentally it is the same on the south side, except it is combined with the patio area and the car port area in the tax info). Thus, I also know the width of that hallway.

You can see the pile of numbers I posted in reply to Scout for more about the building, and the various dimensions of things.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Missy's CG equipment in the back of her minivan. This is what she would have been unloading and setting up prior to class.

The minivan was the vehicle she drove before getting the pickup she was driving the day she was murdered.

ETA: The source of the photo is Missy's public Facebook page, posted 4/29/2015.

I recall, someone saying that she stopped by the fire department as well. Was that comfirmed.....best i can recall it was just speculation, but i woul love to know if in fact she did stop there. If so, it would probably frim up some of my speculation about a couple of things.

I'm wondering if the fire department has access to floor plans for area businesses or fire evacuation maps for area businesses. Does anybody know?

 

[Camerabug]

I hate to hear of anyone being abused, but having lived through that, you are correct and have the life expreience to confirm it. I agree, that that type of personality is unpredictable. I can't count the number of times we have all heard comentary from famly, friends, and coworkers, that they just never would have thought that the murder could have done somthing like that. Crimes of passion, are just that, and they dont usually start with weird perps dressed in desquise lurking around a closed church in the wee hours of the morning. Had the suspect been wearing kakies and waiting for her on the front steps, maybe.

I know I've mentioned her before, but Lizzie Borden was heard giggling and happy after killing her step-mother...history still talks about her rage...

 

[SteveS]

The picture of the stuff in the back of MB's car make me realize something (which may have been discussed previously, maybe not). But if MB had an armful of equipment that she was taking inside (and she probably did), then it would have made it that much easier for perp to initiate an attack on her, with MB's arms full and unable to use them to fight off an attack.

 

[curiousjo]

So Jethro4WS- how tall is SP?

 

[Jethro4WS]

What drive by videos are you referencing?

There are at least 3 that my wife downloaded. One includes a drive around the SWFA gun place as well. The other 2 are ones done at the same time showing different views of the church and woods behind the place. However, the people doing the videos are driving relatively fast and they move the camera from looking at the building to the woods and back again and you end up missing things you might want to see because they were recording for what they wanted to see.

Those videos allowed me to identify the window placement and spacing on the east side of the church as well as identify the door in the northwest entryway (prior to the vestibule) on the right - lawn type stuff seen in front of it so probably where they keep that kind of stuff (rake, spreader, etc) as well as to identify the door that is on the southeast corner before that vestibule on the left. You can see those doors on the maps I had put out.

I have an updated map I will be publishing soon with changes (I know I said I would have it out yesterday).

 

[SteveS]

1 Those really are 4x4 squares aligned as a diamond.
2 That column is located 44 feet from the start of the west hall looking north.
3 So the main entryway starts 45 feet down. About 10 to 15 feet behind SP.

FYI all of those do not work together as facts.

If those are truly 4' x 4' squares, then perp location at 8 diagonals from the SW entrance would be 45' 3.5" away. Which would not fit with perp location being 10-15 feet in front of the start of main entryway which is 45 feet away.

I suspect that those are not 4'x 4' tiles, as you think they are. But if that's not the error, then something else is miscalculated.

 

[CHUCKJ]

I'm wondering if the fire department has access to floor plans for area businesses or fire evacuation maps for area businesses. Does anybody know?

not sure, but they may service the fire extinguishers.

 

[WannaBDetective]

If SP is the actual killer I will drink a beer and I HATE beer. This person was too calm to commit such a vicious act in my opinion.
Does not appear drunk or walk drunk. They are just there walking around - no actual let me smash everything to work myself up because I am so pi$$ed off and cant wait until she gets here and I will be ready.
No SP is like durt to durt nonchalantly walking around and then oh wait I hear her coming let me hide and then BAM. Please. Just not buying this.

(Not a hired hitman/woman unless they were given specific instructions to make it look like a B/E and then ruthless killer - only way this works for me with SP- then I may have to drink that beer.)

I think if SP isn't caught pretty soon, we'll all be drinking beer.

 

[zoeneli]

FYI all of those do not work together as facts.

If those are truly 4' x 4' squares, then perp location at 8 diagonals from the SW entrance would be 45' 3.5" away. Which would not fit with perp location being 10-15 feet in front of the start of main entryway which is 45 feet away.

I suspect that those are not 4'x 4' tiles, as you think they are. But if that's not the error, then something else is miscalculated.

Yes, the diagonal puts each square tile "diagonal" at ~ 5'6, so if the tiles are 4' x 4,' the 8 tiles (diagonal) make for 45.25 feet of distance.

 

[DesiredJustice]

Even if LE found hairs consistent with Kilo on MB, that wouldn't really be significant, as she knew RB and his wife. Presumably they spent time together, or at least had a physical link connected through BB or the kids.

Very true. The same thing her husband and any other family member could possibly claim.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

I don't necessarily agree with the church theory (although I find it interesting), but just wanted to point out that the blog mentioned is anything but modern Christianity in my opinion. I live in the Bible Belt and that is religious extremism imo (anti-women etc.) I would have agreed with you about modern Christianity, if I hadn't read through that website for the last hour. Please don't think I am calling you out, that is not my intent at all, just wanted to point out that site is pretty extreme IMO.

Not implicating anyone on that forum, but *if* someone had those same views I can see that Missy could have been seemed as a threat to their church. IMO

*snipped and bbm

People think Christianity is a religion that degrades women, but Christianity actually teaches the opposite--"husbands love your wives as Christ does the church". Now if people don't follow that teaching, its not the fault of the teaching!
But I know we can agree on one thing-- that way too many women are killed (worldwide) by guys. And WHY is the big question! Somewhere on websleuths there gotta be a psychologist who has studied the criminal mind. (I know it can be googled).
Its a mentality that disrespects human life in general and considers himself/herself to have the right to take a life; or maybe its a mentality that had a temporary? crime of passion, which is also evil. IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

not sure, but they may service the fire extinguishers.

That's what I thought too which fits in with her visit to the station.

 

[Cannonball3804]

I would just like to commend all of us, collectively, for acting like adults in this forum of late.

We went through some early growing pains, and the thread got put on vacation several times, but not lately. We've even managed to discuss religion without anyone being offensive or offended, AFAIK.

SteveS and I had some moments in discussing LE's accountability to the public. But there was no name-calling, and neither of us got put in time out. Yay for us.

We want justice for MB. There is great work being done here toward that end and let's hope it continues without interruption until justice is served.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Deleted member 102539]

O/T

http://www.people.com/article/remem...ed?xid=email-truecrime-20160715PM-21018352-hd

"She loved those boys fiercely, those boys were her life," Kent says, adding that Jenna enjoyed baking them "extravagant" birthday cakes. Kent says that it is difficult for her to imagine how Jenna's mother-in-law could have robbed her own grandchildren of their mother.

"How could another mother take away a mother?" she says.


One shouldn't think of that (above) being an opportunity but indeed there are mothers who would kill another mother. Inconceivably but possible. I don't want to learn of similarities in case MB.