TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #33

[Camerabug]

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pss. Anyone know where or who posted the photo of the M FF dept lined up outside - think it was a photo from a local/town magazine or newsletter - bur someone on WS posted it on one of these threads and drew bright red circles around certain &#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#9785;&#65039;. Can't find. Just curious.

I must have missed this! Sigh..

 

[privateaye]

Can someone tell me who, of the 7, are left-handed?

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[SteveS]

<mod snip> We have NO IDEA what is going on behind the scene. Is it o.k. to say that I read on another Missy forum that at least one person on the original SW has lawyered up????

ETA: I in no way do I mean to sound snarky or disrespectful. I don't want to start anything like we just had. And of course this is just my opinion.

<mod snip> If you do or don't want to listen to me, and if you do or don't want to listen to "rumors," that's completely your own choice of course. Since there's no accountability, I don't give much credence to wild claims including those from random MB forums, which tend to be a dime a dozen, and often worth much less than that, but that's just me I guess.

I comment on what I see, and I do have some knowledge about how these things would work. I observe how the case seems to be progressing (as reported). Ultimately, I can extrapolate how that would or wouldn't likely entail an actual need and desire for legal help, and make an educated guess.

From that, I would wager that anyone who claims there's been "lawyering up" at this point in this crime is doing so to create an internet reaction with such a term. Slangy, slighty accusatory, fun words, make for lively discussion, attract attention, all the good stuff for a forum.

To be clear, I can see someone having asked a lawyer for advice at some point, perhaps. Maybe. But "lawyering up" offers a much different implication, as does the idea of having an attorney on retainer for this case, and based on what's been happening to date, none of that fits. Not even close.

 

[GeeEm]

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Car in front of me today, is this a sign?

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[GeeEm]

Sorry to hear about your sister.
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Tippy Lynn &#127806; An Angel for me today

Thank you for your kindness ((hugs)) An inspiration for me to be more thankful for today and try to be the person she was &#128557;&#128557;&#128557; Sorry, I'm really crying.

 

[darring21]

<mod snip> If you do or don't want to listen to me, and if you do or don't want to listen to "rumors," that's completely your own choice of course. Since there's no accountability, I don't give much credence to wild claims including those from random MB forums, which tend to be a dime a dozen, and often worth much less than that, but that's just me I guess.

I comment on what I see, and I do have some knowledge about how these things would work. I observe how the case seems to be progressing (as reported). Ultimately, I can extrapolate how that would or wouldn't likely entail an actual need and desire for legal help, and make an educated guess.

From that, I would wager that anyone who claims there's been "lawyering up" at this point in this crime is doing so to create an internet reaction with such a term. Slangy, slighty accusatory, fun words, make for lively discussion, attract attention, all the good stuff for a forum.

To be clear, I can see someone having asked a lawyer for advice at some point, perhaps. Maybe. But "lawyering up" offers a much different implication, as does the idea of having an attorney on retainer for this case, and based on what's been happening to date, none of that fits. Not even close.

I don't agree with you on everything but I really appreciate your approach. I also appreciate that the mods here try to keep unsubstantiated rumors left on the crazy SM pages.

 

[observation]

Guys keep in mind it's Friday and scroll and roll is a great option. The weekend is here and this case likely won't be solved tonight. Many posters here want to see this case solved- like.. Yesterday! We will get shut down and I don't think anyone would like to see that happen. Don't lose your posting privileges over petty disagreements. This is not a court room.


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[amateur sleuth]

O.k. Thats fair!

 

[DrPam]

As far as transportation, I have a question. Would a dirt bike fit in a car? A van? Could the perp have gotten away quickly along the creekline and gotten to his parked car, parked where it wasn't going to be seen? I saw a kid the other day on a dirt bike and realized how versatile they are on bad roads.

 

[Cannonball3804]

As far as transportation, I have a question. Would a dirt bike fit in a car? A van? Could the perp have gotten away quickly along the creekline and gotten to his parked car, parked where it wasn't going to be seen? I saw a kid the other day on a dirt bike and realized how versatile they are on bad roads.

Not in a car. A truck or van, yes. But to be out there in that kind of weather, on a really loud dirt bike, I doubt it. Keep in mind also that the outfit looked clean and new out of the box in the video. I don't think he could have gotten it to the church in such pristine condition.


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[momo1248]

As far as transportation, I have a question. Would a dirt bike fit in a car? A van? Could the perp have gotten away quickly along the creekline and gotten to his parked car, parked where it wasn't going to be seen? I saw a kid the other day on a dirt bike and realized how versatile they are on bad roads.

W asn't there mention in an earlier thread about a "partially visible" car parked behind the church that may have belonged to sp? Please excuse if I'm mistaken.

 

[Dollcat]

As far as transportation, I have a question. Would a dirt bike fit in a car? A van? Could the perp have gotten away quickly along the creekline and gotten to his parked car, parked where it wasn't going to be seen? I saw a kid the other day on a dirt bike and realized how versatile they are on bad roads.

What about a Vespa? A friend of mine had an electric boat and you could sneak up on people on other docks. We would turn off the lights and you could pop up unannounced......... Those Vespas are pretty quiet.

 

[SteveS]

From having been there and surveyed the terrain, I don't see any likelihood of some sort of unusual transport to and from the scene for perp. The church is bounded by woods, creek, fencing, and on that day muddy areas and probably lots of water, making an off-road exit not only difficult but perhaps treacherous in the conditions - and you'd leave lots of tracks, too.

Most likely by far, imo, is they drove to the church and drove away. That's easiest, entirely paved, requires no help, allows most flexibility coming and going, and Texans habitually use such means. We are tied to our car or truck.

 

[Jethro4WS]

W asn't there mention in an earlier thread about a "partially visible" car parked behind the church that may have belonged to sp? Please excuse if I'm mistaken.

I have wondered about that. It was mentioned in the first press conference.

In terms of the cameras inside the church there isn't a camera that could see any vehicle if it were in the back of the church (East side of the building) as that is below the sight lines of any camera. If you have seen any photos or video that show that side of the building you see stairs that are at least 8 and likely more feet high off the ground. So, in the case of the SW corner camera that was looking East the vestibule at the East end would be visible but any part of the parking lot below would not. For a similar camera in the NW corner also looking East the vestibule at the East end of that hall would be visible but not any of the parking lot.

The camera at the SW corner that is looking East can see part of the vestibule to the south but it is looking in the direction of (if you continue the angles of sight) a wall just beyond that vestibule. There should be similar cameras and alignments (just opposite directions of view) at the NW corner. The camera that would be looking East there would see a vestibule to the left in the view (opposite of the vestibule on the right in SW) but again would be looking in the direction of a wall.

For a camera in the NW corner looking South it would be able to show the vestibule at the South end however, at best, it would see into the car port area and there is an island with planted bushes across and beyond the paved area under the car port. Seeing anything in the parking lot would be highly unlikely.

For the SW camera that is looking North, however, you would not have any obstructions beyond the vestibule doors at that end though for the parking areas on that side lighting is the issue as there are no parking lot lights and limited building lights on that side. That said, if you were to take any view of the main hall looking North from the MPD videos and enlarge the image you will be able to discern a vehicle in the covered area just beyond the vestibule at the North end. Unfortunately, that is a golf cart type vehicle that the church parks there.

For what it is worth, the mention of any vehicle involved came early and was never elaborated on after (as far as I know) and I believe that they may not have reconciled what they thought they were seeing in the video with the fact that Creekside has such a vehicle that they park there. A "fog of war" kind of thing.

But it is not impossible that a vehicle may have been seen in the North direction from that camera in the SW corner.

Finally, I suspect there would be a camera in the main entry area on the West side (the glass there is 24 feet wide) and if there was any good chance of an internal camera picking up any vehicle it would be there.

It is also not impossible that the SWFA cameras were able to discern a vehicle at Creekside but I doubt in that darkness that they could say much beyond that a vehicle of some sort was seen. MPD never made any mention of any arrival or departure of said vehicle they mentioned. They have said Missy's arrival to the parking lot was seen on surveillance camera but it is unclear what camera that was.

 

[GA_Peach]

From having been there and surveyed the terrain, I don't see any likelihood of some sort of unusual transport to and from the scene for perp. The church is bounded by woods, creek, fencing, and on that day muddy areas and probably lots of water, making an off-road exit not only difficult but perhaps treacherous in the conditions - and you'd leave lots of tracks, too.

Most likely by far, imo, is they drove to the church and drove away. That's easiest, entirely paved, requires no help, allows most flexibility coming and going, and Texans habitually use such means. We are tied to our car or truck.

Since you have been there and are familiar with the terrain, would you mind answering a few questions for me? Is there a way for a person to enter North Prong Creek (NPC) from CCoC without having to walk through grass/soft ground? Is there any sort of gravel trail that leads down to the creek (or any other pathway that would prevent footprints/imprints)? Also, it is hard to tell from Goodle Earth, but what is NPC actually like? Would it be possible for a person to wade just a few inches from shore (just shallow enough to actually be in the creek and not have to worry about footprints but not deep enough where the water itself would be a threat)? We have tons of creeks around here, and it would be possible to travel on foot in some of them. However, it would not be feasible in other creeks. I am interested in your opinion.

I have wondered if SP left on foot along/in NPC heading north. However, the footprints would be a HUGE drawback, and I am not even sure if that is feasible given the terrain. If SP left via a vehicle, do you think that LE knows the vehicle's arrival and departure time from CCoC? Would this vehicle have been picked up in the same manner as MB's truck? Where do you think SP parked?

 

[WannaBDetective]

That's one way a client may obtain and use an attorney. But it's certainly not the only one. And from what I've seen here, I strongly doubt anyone has an attorney on retainer, and wouldn't be surprised if no one has hired one in any way. The actions we're seeing so far just look to me like ordinary people doing ordinary things in the wake of a tragedy, and while an attorney can certainly be helpful in all kinds of ways, I see nothing being done that might have required legal guidance to do.

<mod snip> You need an attorney if you are innocent and you need an attorney if you are guilty. LE does this for a living and they are experts at getting you to talk. They can get you to say things you never intended. Do innocent people get convicted? Do guilty people walk free? Everyday. If would be foolish to not have an advocate on your side to direct and limit questioning to make sure you get the best outcome.

 

[GeeEm]

W asn't there mention in an earlier thread about a "partially visible" car parked behind the church that may have belonged to sp? Please excuse if I'm mistaken.

Sure was in the very beginning when this happened. We discussed it&#8252;&#65039; I certainly remember the postings. Would have to dig forever but yes you are correct momo

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[GeeEm]

From having been there and surveyed the terrain, I don't see any likelihood of some sort of unusual transport to and from the scene for perp. The church is bounded by woods, creek, fencing, and on that day muddy areas and probably lots of water, making an off-road exit not only difficult but perhaps treacherous in the conditions - and you'd leave lots of tracks, too.

Most likely by far, imo, is they drove to the church and drove away. That's easiest, entirely paved, requires no help, allows most flexibility coming and going, and Texans habitually use such means. We are tied to our car or truck.

Are you a local as well? Do you attend the COC also?

jmo

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I think they left in it. It was really raining hard; I remember that morning, as I was up. Probably did go a little ways in a private car and take it off. If it turns out they are Reserves, they just went on home. This area of Texas uses a lot of reserve officers/fire fighters--even volunteer fire fighters in rural areas.

I meant: where did s/he changed "outfit" and combed sweaty hair IF s/he acted (after murder) as a reserve officer at the crime scene (between the campers)?? He didn't go home but ......... how did he solve the problem with being in SWAT gear first and having crumbled hair from wearing balaclava and helmet?

 

[amateur sleuth]

<mod snip> You need an attorney if you are innocent and you need an attorney if you are guilty. LE does this for a living and they are experts at getting you to talk. They can get you to say things you never intended. Do innocent people get convicted? Do guilty people walk free? Everyday. If would be foolish to not have an advocate on your side to direct and limit questioning to make sure you get the best outcome.

Thank you!