TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #33

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  • #841
What about a Vespa? A friend of mine had an electric boat and you could sneak up on people on other docks. We would turn off the lights and you could pop up unannounced......... Those Vespas are pretty quiet.

Love the Vespas! I want the 70th year anniversary Vespa Primavera. It comes in the original baby blue color and customized colors with a black leather boot bag, too.

http://www.vespa.com/en_EN/Vespa-Models/primavera.html#

Understand the pleasant silence of the motor but how does it handle over rough terrain such as that of the limestone lined creek? Those are some huge rocks in areas. Viewed a cpl of videos but never did they ride in the terrain like that of the NPC. On the rocky surface they rode, it was quite bumpy. One Vespa impressively jumped over 7 barrels laying side to side.

How would SP know in advance they'd need a watercraft or all terrain vehicle unless their getaway was NPCreek? Personally, unfamiliar with the Vespa electric boat.

I agree that the cost of the equipment necessary to perform the murder was of little consequence to the SP. SP may have already owned such a mode of transportation; hence, no need to make the special purchase. I've even considered a mask and snorkel for traversing the watery creek. No need for fins. Go barefoot. Use backpack for take away tools and other items. Is SWAT gear waterproof?

Thanks to everyone for working on the possible yet reasonable escape vehicles as well as possible routes taken as this is a vital part of the getting away with Missy's murder.,
 
  • #842
Thank you for commenting. Yes, I've contacted MPD. Yes, my info has been forwarded.

Thank you for responding. Great. I sincerely hope they review it and take it into consideration.
 
  • #843
Two statements jump out at me from this conversation. He spoke to her at 7:30 and around 8:00 she told him good night. Why would he call her back around 9-9:30 to tell her "I love you"? He wants us to have the impression how wonderful there marriage was. Personally, I call BS! A couple married this long, the guy is NOT going to call back an hour later to say I Love You!!

He was either checking up on her to see if she was in her room or had gone out. Or, knew what the morning would bring and maybe guilt made him get that one last word of endearment in?

Also, why did he drop the little tidbit that he was in Bilioxi later than he was supposed to be? Covering his trail? Why was he late? What was he doing?

Respectfully, I've been married for 20 years and my husband does this every night when he is out of town. Sometimes he will call 3 or 4 times. Neither of us have had affairs nor are we untrusting. I think SOME of BB behaviors and actions are odd and maybe even suspicious, but this is not one of them.


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  • #844
I have wondered about that. It was mentioned in the first press conference.

In terms of the cameras inside the church there isn't a camera that could see any vehicle if it were in the back of the church (East side of the building) as that is below the sight lines of any camera. If you have seen any photos or video that show that side of the building you see stairs that are at least 8 and likely more feet high off the ground. So, in the case of the SW corner camera that was looking East the vestibule at the East end would be visible but any part of the parking lot below would not. For a similar camera in the NW corner also looking East the vestibule at the East end of that hall would be visible but not any of the parking lot.

The camera at the SW corner that is looking East can see part of the vestibule to the south but it is looking in the direction of (if you continue the angles of sight) a wall just beyond that vestibule. There should be similar cameras and alignments (just opposite directions of view) at the NW corner. The camera that would be looking East there would see a vestibule to the left in the view (opposite of the vestibule on the right in SW) but again would be looking in the direction of a wall.

For a camera in the NW corner looking South it would be able to show the vestibule at the South end however, at best, it would see into the car port area and there is an island with planted bushes across and beyond the paved area under the car port. Seeing anything in the parking lot would be highly unlikely.

For the SW camera that is looking North, however, you would not have any obstructions beyond the vestibule doors at that end though for the parking areas on that side lighting is the issue as there are no parking lot lights and limited building lights on that side. That said, if you were to take any view of the main hall looking North from the MPD videos and enlarge the image you will be able to discern a vehicle in the covered area just beyond the vestibule at the North end. Unfortunately, that is a golf cart type vehicle that the church parks there.

For what it is worth, the mention of any vehicle involved came early and was never elaborated on after (as far as I know) and I believe that they may not have reconciled what they thought they were seeing in the video with the fact that Creekside has such a vehicle that they park there. A "fog of war" kind of thing.

But it is not impossible that a vehicle may have been seen in the North direction from that camera in the SW corner.

Finally, I suspect there would be a camera in the main entry area on the West side (the glass there is 24 feet wide) and if there was any good chance of an internal camera picking up any vehicle it would be there.

It is also not impossible that the SWFA cameras were able to discern a vehicle at Creekside but I doubt in that darkness that they could say much beyond that a vehicle of some sort was seen. MPD never made any mention of any arrival or departure of said vehicle they mentioned. They have said Missy's arrival to the parking lot was seen on surveillance camera but it is unclear what camera that was.

I thought the cameras were in the SW and NE corners.(?) JMO
i'm thinking maybe they saw the golf cart, too.
 
  • #845
W asn't there mention in an earlier thread about a "partially visible" car parked behind the church that may have belonged to sp? Please excuse if I'm mistaken.

Yes. LE stated they believed it to be suspects car, but did not feel comfortable making a guess on the make and model as the image was not decernable from the distance it was captured.
 
  • #846
I thought the cameras were in the SW and NE corners.(?) JMO
i'm thinking maybe they saw the golf cart, too.
Those are the only cameras we saw video from. I expect that there are cameras at all corners of the building and one of two things occurred. First, MPD has more video of SP walking or second, SP travelled through that church in such a way as to not trigger those cameras to activate. While we as humans can look at the images from those cameras at the SW and NE and through enlargement see all the way to the other end the camera can only "see" (i.e. detect motion) perhaps only as far as 40 feet from the camera. In the Main hall (west) it is 130 feet from vestibule to vestibule. So it would make sense that there are cameras at all corners of the building to cover those entrances if the cameras elsewhere can't detect motion anywhere near the length of that hall in which they are aimed. Also, because there is the large vestibule and glass area at the west side you have a large entry area there that can't be seen from any of the hallway cameras as there would be walls in the way so it makes sense that there would be a camera in that area aimed in the direction of the doors of that large entry area.
 
  • #847
I thought the cameras were in the SW and NE corners.(?) JMO
i'm thinking maybe they saw the golf cart, too.
Just so others can see if they hadn't already, here is a cut from an enlargement of a frame from the time stamped video MPD released.

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At the right of the vestibule at the end what is being seen is the front of the golf cart like vehicle. However, if you look at it and especially the above the brighter portions of it you could easily think you are seeing a vehicle (based on apparent height, a car) from the side. But that wouldn't be the case, it is the golf cart like vehicle instead.
 

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Just so others can see if they hadn't already, here is a cut from an enlargement of a frame from the time stamped video MPD released.

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At the right of the vestibule at the end what is being seen is the front of the golf cart like vehicle. However, if you look at it and especially the above the brighter portions of it you could easily think you are seeing a vehicle (based on apparent height, a car) from the side. But that wouldn't be the case, it is the golf cart like vehicle instead.

I see a resemblance, but maybe more of a table?
idk.

jmo 🐮
 
  • #849
GaPeach --- I can't tell you, because the significant rain that night is a major wild card. With the rains we had this spring almost every week, there were lots of times when we had floods here, there, and elsewhere from the runoff, and without having been there that day to see how inundated and treacherous that particular creek was with water (or not), I just don't know.

WannaB --- Yes I understand the theory, and everyone needs good advice, that's true. Good point. That having been said, I still don't suspect that things have evolved to the point where people who knew MB are "lawyering up" or putting an attorney on "retainer." Real life.

GeeEm -- Yes, essentially. And no.
 
  • #850
TWO SCENARIOS:
Scenario 1:
Young guy gets all hyped up going on his first burglary. He chooses a church as his first hit...easy peasy. He takes pride in being extremely prepared. He wears protective clothing in case something goes wrong or he runs into someone with a gun. He's kinda exhilarated after he gets in...the doors were kinda tough to breach, especially with his gloves on. Then he enjoys the excitement of using his burgle tools, and very pleased how conveniently they fit in his vest. Going so smoothly he thinks. Then, he sees car lights. Annoyed, yet he decides not to flee until he see who it is. Its a woman...a small woman. In a rage, like a guy caught in infidelity with his plans ruined, he decides to do a spontaneous 'hit'. Hides. And it's done.
Scenario 2:
Guy is hired for a hit. Plans made. Since he needs in the church by 4 he gets there at 3 to breach the doors. He gets done plenty early and waits for the time to go in. Exhilarated. Doors were not that hard to breach. He'll just go around making it look like a burglary. He knows he needs NOT to break any windows near the SW corner, and that he needs to be done by 4 in case she arrives early and hears him. Ok its 4:05. Getting close to the time now. He stays in the SW corner where he plans to do the hit. He has found the 'perfect' spot after looking around the church and also seeing where the cameras are. He decides to do it very near to where she comes in. Ok, car lights.... It's her...and done as planned. Outta here.

I can see either of those. To which I would add a third - a stalker. Missy was a good looking lady and it is entirely possible she had a stalker. Someone that is not obvious to LE, friends and family. So a stalker and Scenario #3 is similar to #2, just a different motive.
 
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I can see either of those. To which I would add a third - a stalker. Missy was a good looking lady and it is entirely possible she had a stalker. Someone that is not obvious to LE, friends and family. So a stalker and Scenario #3 is similar to #2, just a different motive.
I agree re: stalker. I haven't seen much posted about that theory but I think it's a valid one, considering Missy's FB presence, CG, the gym, the disturbing LI message? She may have inadvertently offended someone with mental health issues who couldn't handle the perceived rejection.
 
  • #853
Assuming this was not spontaneous such as a result of a B&E gone bad, it would have to well planned out.
- Did they know the outside cameras were not working? (Or they got lucky.) In one of the pictures of the church on here I thought I saw at least one camera on the roof aimed toward a parking lot. If I saw that, the killer had to have seen it if they planned ahead and, if so, they didn't seem to be concerned about them if they drove there. (And I believe they did.)
- They wore a disguise that covered their face and could even make their body type or gender difficult to determine. They knew about the cameras inside in advance? That means they did a recon some time before. They could have attended a crowded service like Easter when a stranger would be least likely to draw attention.
- They knew Missy's habits or procedures when the weather was bad and she held the workouts inside. When she arrived, where she parked, etc. Unless it was a camper that arrived early on a previous session, they would have parked somewhere to watch. Where? In the lot? That might have drawn Missy's attention. In the gun store down the road with binoculars? I would hope LE looked at videos from that store for as far back as they could for 0400-0500 on the mornings of the sessions. Or did Missy make the details known via a website? I'm inclined to believe that if they planned it they actually drove there sometime in the 2 months prior.
- The killer is walking around and apparently using the hammer or whatever it is while walking through. No indication of stealing. It just seems to me they were waiting and had nervous energy. Maybe just taking some practice swings with the hammer. It doesn't seem like 'professional' hit. They could've been hired, but they possibly had not killed before. I would think an experienced killer would have already made a recon of the building, knew where/how Missy was entering and already have a spot picked out to wait. Preferably some place outside the view of the camera. Break in and get to that spot quickly to minimize time on the video, but they didn't do it that way. I just believe this was either personal to the killer or it was someone 'hired' cheaply to do this. A 'wannabe' hit man - or woman. But not a 'professional' or experienced killer. Like deer hunting - you scout out the woods, find the deer sign and the morning of the hunt you know just you're going to be based on the wind. No walking around aimlessly.

But this is just my take on it. Others may see it differently.
 
  • #854
Yeah, I was on grand jury before. You feel like a pawn of the prosecutor because you don't really know the law that well. I would say it's easy to indict, EXCEPT if it's a police officer...

I've posted a few times before, live near midlo and outside sales takes me there very often. I'm catching up and I noticed the popular crooked cops theory has remained steadfast not only locally but it's been discussed on WS too. In the beginning after the sophistication of SWFA camera set up was discovered via their YouTube channel I spent hours going frame by frame on all videos - people watching if you will. In one posted theft recovery video there is a midlo cop, middle aged who responds to catch the shop lifter and either he's wearing new shoes and getting blisters or his gait is eerily familiar. Also, the video showing a military helicopter hovering shows the power and capabilities of the SWFA camera system and believe you me... They saw more on those cameras than LE lets on. I used to sell high end, military grade surveillance systems and this one has the capability to be controlled or manipulated remotely via cell phone. Remember, the owner knew about the Altima prior to anyone's knowledge of the murder across the street due to activity alerts and the owner assumed this Altima was staking out for a smash and grab robbery, my guess is bc we've seen an increase in these crimes thought to be affiliated with gun running. This is all my humble opinion, but I think given the dirty cop gun scandal it's possible if MB knew anything she knew about something bigger than a roid rage ring. Maybe knowing about a huge drug kingpin might warrant a hit but guns seem more likely. Also, if a cop was involved they couldn't use and gun out of evidence since they have the ballistic forensics on file, they definitely can't use a PD assigned gun and if I think like SP it would likely buy me time and throw off any scent of being connected to a gun ring if I use a hammer instead. Plus, as a crooked LE officer acting as SP I would know hitting her face and head would stir up a good old fashioned witch trial of hubby and those close to scorned hubby.
IMO
 
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  • #856
I applaud everyone's effort, and input. I think there is substance to a lot of what has been brought up here, and some where deep in all the throries and speculations, lies the truth.
When I started following this case, WS was my go to place after the LE commentary and any new news releases. For the 1st 2 months, I would venture to say that most of what was posted here was based in fact, or derived from fact. Asside from theories of corse, but the theories were in a tight grouping across the board and also were at that time speculations based mostly on what we know and could verify.

I dont do SM, FB or other. I read. I am inquisative by nature, and not one who is quick to jump to conclusions. I, as everyone else here, wish we had more information. Everything here has been an interesting read.

That being said. some of the theories as of late, are kinda all over the board, and it seems to be a lot of bickering over the last few days. There has also been page after page of someone or another pleading their case, on a theory, or going overboard in trying to convince others that they are correct. We will not all agree, and that is o.k. I don't discount anyones theory, nor do I necesarily agree with many of them. All of this being the case, MPO is that most often cases like this boil down to the simpelest of answers. That may not be the case here, but if you put it in context, the alternative sounds like a Pink Panther movie.

Case in point: In almost any combination, barring a couple of relavent bits of information, makes for a real novel.

MB was per the most accepted, or at least putforth theories here.
Targeted by a family member, possibly this person put a hit out on her, or had the job done by another family member. The parties involved, coordinated elaborite alabi's including haveing a customer of one of there employers pay for one of the trips. They used social media to help establish their alabi. The suspect, who because he/she walks a certain way, has been narrowed down to most likley 2 people, althouth one of them(not a family member) has kind of dropped out of the running latley. Dresses up in swat gear (CONFIRMED), Is either dropped off at the scene where his/her accomplice(possibly plural) waites outside with a walki talkie playing lookout.(hope this person knows how to keep their mouth shut), or they come through the woods on a dirtbike(where no evidence was left), or possibly, crept up on an electric vespa, that was possibly brought close to the scene in the trunk of a car, as the suspect, either right or left handed spends considerable time trying to breech the door. Once inside, the perp who was possibly drunk or under the influence, stages a break in, while waiting on the victim. (ACTIONS CONFIRMED BY VIDEO, AND STAGED BREAK IN PLAUSABLE). Perp, was either fat, or skinny with padding. Suspect commits the act, using a pick hammer, a gun, and a screwdriver to remove the bullet, or dart. There was possibly a struggle (plausable). The suspect either, washes up in an undisclosed location within the church, or leaves in swatgear, most likley walking, riding a dirtbike, vespa, or having been picked up by one of possibly up to several accomplices. Suspect , possibly LE or reserve LE, may have cleaned up, and doubled back to work the scene. Possibly barried or burned the gear before returning, or it could be hidden somewhere. LE knows more than they are telling us. Much More. The family Knows who did it, and are either protecting them, or begging them to come forward on their own, so they dont have to turn them in. Apparently, the suspect is known by LE, and has lawered up, thus LE has not been able to bring them in, and they may also be tied to dirty cops within the department who were stealing guns from lock up, and that is probably where the gun came from. One of the suspects is now out and about vacationing as if nothing ever happened. WOW!
 
  • #857
I applaud everyone's effort, and input. I think there is substance to a lot of what has been brought up here, and some where deep in all the throries and speculations, lies the truth.
When I started following this case, WS was my go to place after the LE commentary and any new news releases. For the 1st 2 months, I would venture to say that most of what was posted here was based in fact, or derived from fact. Asside from theories of corse, but the theories were in a tight grouping across the board and also were at that time speculations based mostly on what we know and could verify.

P.s. This was not ment in any way to offend anyone. Just saying, that if you hand pick an item from every catagory, i.e. suspect, method of arrival, weapon, etc. almost everything other than, (typical motive), arrived in auto, parked around back, laid in wait, and attacked victim, then left, reads like a really good book. Not that thats my theory, but its close with a lot of unknowns. I know the gear makes everything a little easier to buy into. Couple of points, not really theories that have been brought up her that do register with me. Wanna be LE. (often people that do MMA, extreme physical training like CG, or other, are those types) NOT ALL, but some. People who fall into that group, are like the overboard paintballer, boxing, karate, etc, maybe aspire to be LE, or just like to act like LE. Another would be someone trying to frame LE, Hmmmm. MB may not have even been a specific victim, just a convienient victim. (perp could hav even known her, Fireman, PD, wanna be PD, etc. Those and scorned love are on the top of my list. Random B & E that turns into murnder on the bottom for me.
 
  • #858
Maybe SP was told not to make it look like a "hit" because that would point to BB because of their past history and because they always look at the husband first. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to when they could have killed her in the parking lot. If perp. got into car no doubt Missy's blood was left somewhere unless they completely stripped off which I think is unlikely because they would have wanted to get out of there. This person IMHO staged the murder to look as if a psycho did it!!
 
  • #859
Speaking of planning in advance, who would have access to the video recordings of the CCTV? A church member? An employee of the company servicing the system? They would know the outside the cameras were not working. They would not have to do a recon or watch the church because they could watch the video of previous days on playback and see when Missy arrived and where. If so, they would not want to erase the video on the day of the murder because then that would draw attention to them.

The downside to this theory is that they would know the blindspots where they could wait, so why wonder around aimlessy? A ruse because if they stayed to the blindspots it would be too obvious that the killer had inside knowledge of the system? They did manage to kill Missy out of view of a camera, though, if what LE tells us is true.

As a side note in a different direction - was the killer's walk around the building and opening different rooms prior to the murder a quick check to find the video recording equipment? That they apparently seem to chose rooms at random, could these be rooms the killer didn't look in on a previous recon of the building?
 
  • #860
Would a cop dress in that gear to commit the crime, that would not be smart at all, unless they were actually a fireman.
 
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