TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 April 2016 #3

[anonypotomous]

IMO, the reason the post from the night before was deleted is because the murderer posted a response to it or liked it. This doesn't necessarily mean it was a CG member- the posts were public and anyone could comment on them I believe. I think the PD asked the family (or whomever is in charge of her account now) to delete it so that the general public wouldn't figure it out and begin a which hunt, spooking the perp before they have all their ducks in a row to arrest the perp.

JMO.

Well that's chilling!!

 

[DexterMorgan]

IMO, the reason the post from the night before was deleted is because the murderer posted a response to it or liked it. This doesn't necessarily mean it was a CG member- the posts were public and anyone could comment on them I believe. I think the PD asked the family (or whomever is in charge of her account now) to delete it so that the general public wouldn't figure it out and begin a which hunt, spooking the perp before they have all their ducks in a row to arrest the perp.

JMO.

Her last post that I seen was posted at 7:30 pm and it stated that she was calling it a night from Facebook because she had to be up at 3:30 am to get things going for the 5am class.

Now some people mentioned that she said we will see you there. But depending on the context. It could simply mean we (the class) will see you (a class participant) there.

So the word we may not necessarily mean me and another specific person persay. Jmo.

 

[liz b.]

If you think back to at least recent history, FBI/ATF have been at all the murders on church properties. Also I believe it is a federal offense to impersonate a police officer, especially when there is a death. I found this but I was thinking I had read that before about impersonating officers. This statute may only be for feds but I will try find the other I saw a while back

18 U.S. Code § 912 - Officer or employee of the United State
Whoever falsely assumes or pretends to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the United States or any department, agency or officer thereof, and acts as such, or in such pretended character demands or obtains any money, paper, document, or thing of value, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 742; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.) https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/912

*also the possibility of "Hate Crime" unknown at time .. JMHO

I think the agencies may have thought it was some type of hate crime/mass crime being prepped . Very early on this may have been a thought. jmo

 

[Glammie]

Not much chat about possibility of a gun just because LE has given no verbal indication that one was used ! But it's not out of the question. It certainly would explain the apparent confidence that the perp seemed to have about quickly ending Missy's life......if the head trauma was solely a hammer or a pick-like tool, the scene would be very bloody and grisly (but we know zero about the death scene).... JMO

If it was a gun that was stolen out of the evidence room at the PD that would account for the FBI and ATF being involved, as well as the withholding the actual cause of death. Of course JMO

 

[Glammie]

I was thinking the same thing. I've had knee surgery and tend to walk with foot slightly out to the side. I can easily see where the gait would be even more prominent if you were carrying more weight or wearing more weight.

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In the last presser the authorities said that the gait info from the public was really not helpful anymore. I believe they know either who it was or WHY the killer was walking that way.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I keep circling back to why the ATF was there. Earlier in the week LE stated they brought in dogs to search for gun residue clues.

The warrant stated she died from head trauma. We know there were tools used as weapons...but pay attention to the wording. Police said she died of "trauma to the head..." but NOT "blunt force trauma." Who's to say she didn't die of gunshot trauma to the head?

Here in town that morning, we heard immediately that she was shot and bludgeoned. Obviously she could have had such severe trauma that those who found her might have speculated that it was a gunshot. But again, ATF was searching for gun powder residue. I've just been surprised that no one dissected this closer, but I may have missed somewhere this was discussed or ruled out.

My thinking on the gunshot.. UNLESS there was a silencer on the gun, at that time of the morning one would have heard the shot... but I do think the time line showed about 30 min before the other camper (s) arrived to the parking lot. So ok guess gunshot possibly back on table :thinking:

 

[Deleted member 718]

Yes. I'm not sure about ATF checking for gunshot residue though. Is gunshot residue not found on the hands, face,someimes clothing of someone who has just fired a gun ? Did they check out the other campers for this ? TIA

The gunshot residue is a bit iffy to me. Who's to say a regular church goer didn't go hunting Sunday morning before church. I suppose if the tactical gear is actual official gear, then it might have a different residue than Joe's "birdshot from hunting" residue.

I think it implies LE is considering someone connected to a tactical team and the impersonating an officer angle.

I also heard in the Chief's presser that Missy was found near the main hall. That the time between Missy being seen on camera and the time the perp leaves the church is a short time. So the perp encounters Missy, does the deed and leaves.

 

[Breck80]

One other piece of sleuthing for you.

That CG class was not the only one we had in town that morning. Right now the road, at 4:40 or 5 am another class started at Beef O' Brady's. Missy had recently hired a male trainer to lead that class (about a month earlier). Therefore, although it was early, our town certainly had people driving and arriving along a stretch of 287 that cuts right through the middle of town. This was not the only fitness class that morning. Could anyone from the other class know that the cameras didn't work, too? It's also be easy to establish your alibi if you were on the road.

Oh, and to "someone would have heard a gunshot..." not where that church is. You'd have know our landscape here, but it's not an area whatsoever that people would hear. It's very spread out, on some land. There is a Whataburger right there though.

 

[sonjay]

I have been thinking about the ATF's presence too. IDK. The Rangers and the FBI are pretty capable at gunshot investigation ? I recall reading that the ATF was mentioned, and that a dog was brought in. also recall reading that ATF was mentioned in connection with searching for both gunshot residue ( ?) and something about " other types of explosive devices" . Possible it was just very early speculation though. jmo

I would venture to guess that because of the SWAT costume, they figured it might be wise to check for explosives, just to be sure. Out of an abundance of caution. The SWAT get-up demonstrates that the perp has at least some level of focus (if not outright obsession) with LE, and the costume, with its bulkiness and various pockets, has room for the perp to be carrying explosives on his/her person.

I've not seen or heard reports about any evidence that would lead them to think there would be any explosives. But you sure wouldn't want to be the guy who decided not to check for explosives, and then have an explosion at the church during the next worship service.

 

[SCHMAE]

Good post. I think many people are reading too much into ATF and the FBI being involved. ATF investigates many crimes including weapon/drug trafficking, illegal alcohol/tobacco, murder-for-hire crimes, bombs/explosives/terrorism, etc...

:sigh: and

Thanks is not enough.

 

[Deleted member 718]

In the last presser the authorities said that the gait info from the public was really not helpful anymore. I believe they know either who it was or WHY the killer was walking that way.

Or they got tired of a 100 tips about a pregnant lady with a prosthesis.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Sadly since it was raining outside, there would be the potential of any droplets of blood from scene carried by perp (or if was also injured somehow to be washed away/diluted outside)
I saw that it was raining at that time. I wonder about the rainfall (heavy, sprinkles so forth) any thunder and lightening/storm sounds? That could have kept the early arriving campers in car too. May have even helped the perp get out if didnt have lights on and storm sounds (if were any) could help disguise the potential veh sounds) .. just thinking outloud

 

[Glammie]

Or they got tired of a 100 tips about a pregnant lady with a prosthesis.

Lol. That could also be true but I don't think that is the reason JMO

 

[Breck80]

I think we all know ATF can do a variety of things. But based on what I know from living here and being on the ground, it's worth mentioning and to keep on the table of clues. LE has absolutely not ruled out what they found. <modsnip>

 

[arkansasmimi]

I think when the husband stated that he felt that this was random; He simply didn't want to scare the kids even further. Plus it helps eliminate the immediate press question of who could it be.

Also. Everything is on tape. So why did the police have him make a statement. There would only be so much he could say in regards to getting the public help to find the killer that is on this video.

Respectfully BBM... This is a murder investigation and that was at the beginning. Everyone is a potential suspect. LEO let people talk. Especially to the media. They can use that to impeach statements if needed later. Again respectfully, at that point and beyond we have no idea what anyone knows or could say in regards to what on the video... because we dont know if that is all of it or not. JMHO

 

[Glammie]

I think we all know ATF can do a variety of things. But based on what I know from living here and being on the ground, it's worth mentioning and to keep on the table of clues. LE has absolutely not ruled out what they found. But okay, I'll leave it up to you pros and won't "buy too much into ATF" You guys are superstar crime solvers

I think the ATFs involvement is a key in putting all the pieces together!!!

 

[lstiff]

I think the ATFs involvement is a key in putting all the pieces together!!!

Agree! I also think the FBI involvement is telling as well. Jmo

 

[liz b.]

The video is motion activated from inside the church. So, this means that after the killer left the church the video stopped recording ? So why did LE give such precise arrival times for the other campers. And, if it means that the video was still recording when the early camper arrived, LE would know if he/she sat in their car,or went inside the church . And, even if the video did stop recording when the killer left, wouldn't LE have seen him/her ? Something's off...and I'm reminded that LE will often hide the truth about what they know, sometimes even from family members of missing/deceased victims. To protect their investigation, and solve cases.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Respectfully BBM... This is a murder investigation and that was at the beginning. Everyone is a potential suspect. LEO let people talk. Especially to the media. They can use that to impeach statements if needed later. Again respectfully, at that point and beyond we have no idea what anyone knows or could say in regards to what on the video... because we dont know if that is all of it or not. JMHO

Agree. But they allowed him to say man and it seems random.

But it could be a woman and it definitely seems targeted. So they fed hubby the information before the presser.

So everyone thought she interrupted a guy that was robbing the church. But we watched the video for 2 seconds and thought possible woman and the perp wasn't there robbing anything.

So the information that they gave hubby could make people think that hubby was trying to mislead us. When he was just going off what they told him.

 

[liz b.]

The gunshot residue is a bit iffy to me. Who's to say a regular church goer didn't go hunting Sunday morning before church. I suppose if the tactical gear is actual official gear, then it might have a different residue than Joe's "birdshot from hunting" residue.

I think it implies LE is considering someone connected to a tactical team and the impersonating an officer angle.

I also heard in the Chief's presser that Missy was found near the main hall. That the time between Missy being seen on camera and the time the perp leaves the church is a short time. So the perp encounters Missy, does the deed and leaves.

I meant a camper,not a church goer ? And I'm not sure about the hunting, didn't the early camper say that she arrived at 4:35 AM ?