TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, murdered in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #36

[WannaBDetective]

If SP neverleft the church, where did they discard the large, bulky outfit, probably withsome blood on it. I remember the dayit happened seeing pictures of numerous law enforcement there. I can’t imagine they didn’t survey everysquare inch of that property.

When a small group (guessing 10 or 12 based on some pictures) gets together at 5 in the morningto strenuously exercise and often buddying up- They all know each other. And if a new person or two came one morning, they would quickly (that day) be amalgamated into the group.

Even in the chaos, I don’t see one person pretending to be a part of the group and no one else saying, “I don’t know him/her; He/she has never been here before”. As chaotic as it could have been, police are diligent in cordoning off a crime scene almost immediately.

I’ve considered one of the CG’s being SP, but you still have to dispose of the get-upsomehow. And not look like you just were in a battle to the death. The theory solves a couple problems and creates more.

I always go back to SP parking a vehicle (or having a get-away driver) behind the cement retaining wall on the back side of the church. And if it was raining and very dark and you’re sitting in your car, you’re probably surfing the net or texting or e-mailing and not paying attention. Esp if you have no cause for alarm (and won’tfor quite a while). The parking lot isnot flat or clear at all. It is a bitsprawling, quite hilly with lots of shrubbery throughout. SP is quietly gone.

I think theymight have had less time than they thought, but still had enough. They could have been out of there before thearrival of the first CG. Or driven outof the parking lot onto the freeway (that by now is getting a few cars on it); while a CG or two that arrived early was on their phone. The distance from the church onto the highway is very short (20-30 second drive at aleisurely pace.)
Again if more went on than that, only LE knows.
I will admit it worries me if LE honed in on the burglary angle immediately and processed and returned the crime scene quickly, that something was missed (a SWAT outfitin someone’s car, or stashed deep in the woods around the place).

 

[WannaBDetective]

I agree with you on this. I think that first CG Camper could have saw a lot and not even realize it. I would become a little curious myself if I had arrived early and saw MB's truck but never saw MB herself come back out to load or unload the equipment. (But that's my investigative/curious ways) My other question is was the truck running with head lights on? Does it look like MB would be coming right back out? If it did look like she was and then never did, I would become a little cautious and suspicious as too where she was. JMO

I'm a less suspicious type. I probably would have assumed a bad taco from the night before.

 

[tbs]

I'm a less suspicious type. I probably would have assumed a bad taco from the night before.

I am more the suspicious type. Starting out working in a criminal law firm you become more aware of what could happen and what is happening so I am the type that questions everything. I look for the bad first then find the good if it is there.

 

[Cannonball3804]

MB enters at 4:18. She is dead by 4:25 at the latest IMHO. That leaves 10 mins til the first camper arrives.

If I'm the perp, after just killing someone I am going to waste no time getting out of there. We know from LE that tools were just left there, and no attempt to clean up the scene.

Again if I'm the perp, I'm not going to undress inside the church because then I'll be seen on camera. Perp had to leave the church still wearing what he had on.

Unless the perp tracked a mess of rain and mud into the kitchen which LE has kept mum about, the perp had a car parked in back by the kitchen. I believe perp went directly from murder scene to their vehicle and was out of the parking lot at 4:25 to 4:30.

All the talk about someone murdering and then blending in with a group - that's TV and movie stuff, not real life IMHO. This killer got out of there as fast as he or she could and then didn't come back. Besides, the cell tower dump data would have identified a cell phone that was in the area of the church prior to 4 am and didn't leave until after 5. That would have pinpointed the killer in the last 7 months, if the killer had stuck around to blend in.


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[ezrah]

Great to be discussing again. Do you ever try to put yourself in SP place? While I'm not the murdering type I have tried to imagine the scenario after MB was killed. I've said before that having only one entrance/exit would not be the ideal getaway for me. If I was escaping quickly I would want to be picked up by a driver and I would throw the SP costume ( which I would have covered or stowed in a bag) in the trunk or climb in the trunk and left via the hwy going in the direction shown by Nancy Graces producer on her show about MBs murder. She said there were no businesses for several miles. I'll just say ROLL and SCROLL, no snarky backlash that's against TOA in this thread! Civil discussion welcome, though


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[Bootsctr]

Ten minutes is not a lot of time. If I am the murderer, and if the murder was planned, I would have my getaway driver waiting for me at the back of the building or the north side of the building kitchen area. I would not stop to get out of the SP costume, but get into the car (hadn't thought about getting in the trunk but I like that idea) and drive away, but not speeding. It would be my goal to get to a home, apartment or hotel and enter having taken off as much of the SP costume as possible in the car and bagging it before exiting the car. I would take the risk of leaving MB's DNA in the car and on the costume. My prime concern would be leaving the scene ASAP. I don't think I would worry about disposing of the SP costume immediately, unless I knew for certain where to dispose of it w/o risk of it being found. No throwing it out the window of the vehicle or putting it in the trash anywhere along the exit route.

 

[tbs]

If the timeframe is correct and s/he SP only had 10 mins to leave and do the deed and leave thru the kitchen door, then IMO this was a targeted planned hit by someone who felt comfortable enough to kill someone quickly and then leave quickly. IMO a first time killer would not be able to pull this off that quickly and leave no trace or clue who did it. But a trained killer who has done this plenty of time before could and would have the knowledge and mind set to know s/he could do it and possibly get away with it.

 

[Cannonball3804]

Let's assume, for purposes of playing what-if, that the murder occurred at or in the bathroom. Let's also assume that this is a B&E and the costume was for hiding identity during burglary and/or vandalism.

If you're in the bathroom and MB comes in to turn lights on, you struggle with her, kill her, and leave. The fact that you had the costume on doesn't indicate targeting for murder - it just indicates that you didn't want to be ID'd for a break-in in which you never expected to see anyone but didn't want them to see you later on video.

Then, because she encountered you right away and forced your hand, having just 10 mins before someone else arrived doesn't indicate meticulous planning. It just means that MB happened to go immediately to the place where you happened to be - a bathroom - and another camper happened to arrive extra early. That makes it seem like you planned it out meticulously but in reality it could just be coincidental timing.


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[TenaciousTBacon]

Midlothian local, Glammie I think, said early on that the first camper at the church was arriving for his very first Camp Gladiator class. He arrived early because he didn't know how long it would take to drive there the first time, and to do first - timer paperwork.

 

[Bootsctr]

Midlothian local, Glammie I think, said early on that the first camper at the church was arriving for his very first Camp Gladiator class. He arrived early because he didn't know how long it would take to drive there the first time, and to do first - timer paperwork.

Oh my!! I missed that information. Can you imagine the first time and you come upon this horrible scene??? I wonder if he is still a camper? :hills:

 

[DexterG]

Midlothian local, Glammie I think, said early on that the first camper at the church was arriving for his very first Camp Gladiator class. He arrived early because he didn't know how long it would take to drive there the first time, and to do first - timer paperwork.

If he arrived early expecting to fill out paperwork before the class wouldn't he go in early instead of sitting in his vehicle until class was set to start? I wonder if there's more to MPD not releasing the 911 calls.


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[Razz]

If he arrived early expecting to fill out paperwork before the class wouldn't he go in early instead of sitting in his vehicle until class was set to start? I wonder if there's more to MPD not releasing the 911 calls.


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Great point!

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[TexasEx]

Hard to imagine how the perp got out of there quickly without leaving bloody boot prints and/or blood on the costume/uniform that would get in his or her car. I can think of some ways, but getting out that quickly and cleanly would be a challenge.

Question: Has there ever been a timeline or info that tells us exactly when family started to be notified? Do we know when the family friend CGer called BB, when sister was called, etc? TIA.

 

[ezrah]

Hard to imagine how the perp got out of there quickly without leaving bloody boot prints and/or blood on the costume/uniform that would get in his or her car. I can think of some ways, but getting out that quickly and cleanly would be a challenge.

Question: Has there ever been a timeline or info that tells us exactly when family started to be notified? Do we know when the family friend CGer called BB, when sister was called, etc? TIA.

KS stated in a public FB post that she was notified at 5:30 in the morn. She later deleted the post. Do not know about the other questions.


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[No it's not]

Let's assume, for purposes of playing what-if, that the murder occurred at or in the bathroom. Let's also assume that this is a B&E and the costume was for hiding identity during burglary and/or vandalism.

If you're in the bathroom and MB comes in to turn lights on, you struggle with her, kill her, and leave. The fact that you had the costume on doesn't indicate targeting for murder - it just indicates that you didn't want to be ID'd for a break-in in which you never expected to see anyone but didn't want them to see you later on video.

Then, because she encountered you right away and forced your hand, having just 10 mins before someone else arrived doesn't indicate meticulous planning. It just means that MB happened to go immediately to the place where you happened to be - a bathroom - and another camper happened to arrive extra early. That makes it seem like you planned it out meticulously but in reality it could just be coincidental timing.


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Let's just say it all happened the way you said. In that case, the killer would be completely shocked and most likely out of his or her mind for a long time, perhaps for life. No peace of mind left! Someone may have noticed that kind of behavior, a family member, co-worker ( the killer most likely took some time off all of a sudden or even quit the job), a friend, a neighbor, a bartender (..). Perhaps someone is considering right now to do the right thing and to pick up that phone. I mean it.

-Nin

 

[janesmith787]

When the murder first happened, campers were all creating signup sheets to go early to other camps so no trainer would be alone and cops were patrolling a lot more often. I don't do CG anymore, so I'm not positive they're not still doing it...but, I don't think they are...which IMO is because the trainers aren't scared because it was targeted.

Also, it's not that uncommon for someone to show up early and wait for other campers before going in. You have to remember, the day she was murdered was the first day of a brand new camp. It's not uncommon for someone new to show up...and when you're new, all the "veteran" campers make you feel super welcome!

All JMO,but I think it was a personal and gruesome attack. I don't know where they would've hid clothes or how they got away so quick, so I won't even speculate. My gut feel all along and when I first heard was it's an angry lover or spouse of a lover. I know CG was told not to talk about it and media called trainers pretending to be concerned campers.

 

[SteveS]

Hard to imagine how the perp got out of there quickly without leaving bloody boot prints and/or blood on the costume/uniform that would get in his or her car. I can think of some ways, but getting out that quickly and cleanly would be a challenge..

We don't know that there were bloody footprints or trail of blood, inside and/or out. Maybe there was. Maybe there wasn't. Maybe it was intermittent. Maybe none, Maybe everywhere.

We don't know if the perp had blood on the clothing and it got on their car interior. Maybe yes. Maybe no. As far as we know, no one besides the perp ever saw the interior of perp's car, to be able to say one way or another.

 

[WannaBDetective]

If the timeframe is correct and s/he SP only had 10 mins to leave and do the deed and leave thru the kitchen door, then IMO this was a targeted planned hit by someone who felt comfortable enough to kill someone quickly and then leave quickly. IMO a first time killer would not be able to pull this off that quickly and leave no trace or clue who did it. But a trained killer who has done this plenty of time before could and would have the knowledge and mind set to know s/he could do it and possibly get away with it.

Or a highly trained fighter. Is there one of those on the SW list?

 

[GutInstinct]

Not on the list, but yes, there is one WITHIN the community of M.

Or a highly trained fighter. Is there one of those on the SW list?

 

[ezrah]

Not on the list, but yes, there is one WITHIN the community of M.

What is a "fighter"?


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