TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, murdered in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #36

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  • #921
If gym manager's account is accurate, someone at the gym, or a stalker visiting gym, may have made Missy uncomfortable enough to leave. That wasn't going to stop the creepy person, who went to the church and committed her murder.

There are probably a dozen or more other possibilities, however. (This is all just speculation, not based on any inside info.)

The real perp had someone else creep Missy out at the gym to throw off Missy and, later, investigators.

Perp close to Missy committed crime for money and/or revenge, or hired someone to do so.

An extra-marital romantic partner, or spouse/girlfriend of extra-marital partner, did it.

A scorned would-be lover was angry over rejection and did it.

Extra-marital partner of BB did it.

Missy "knew" something that someone dangerous didn't want her to know or report.

There's no way we can know without more evidence.

From an athletic perspective, MB was getting ready for the Spartan Race. Yes, she was in shape, but "race tip top shape" prep requires additional hard training. A major reason to me, why an athlete stops or modifies a training schedule is injury or repeated injury or almost injury. That will make one really frustrated and depressed.

Some sore spots or injuries are so crucial to the allover workout, they can hardly be modified, back problems for example ( anyone with plantar fascia or hamstring injuries also knows how long it takes for that to heal..).

Would she have mentioned it to friends or the gym owner? Possibly. As a pro, I would have not.

-Nin
 
  • #922
Hi all. Apologies if this has been raised (I'm sure it has) - but I'm new to this and there's SO much here.

The perp's walk/gait, to me, is strikingly similar to Randy Bevers':

[video=youtube;Os-eWR0UvTs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os-eWR0UvTs[/video]

What's the consensus here? Has he been ruled out? Did the DNA testing ever come back with conclusive results? That's the EXACT same walk to my eyes.
 
  • #923
They do walk with a military gait. What we see with the left leg that changes it up is caused by the way the shin guards are strapped on that leg - which is not how shin guards are strapped. I believe that strapping to be necessary to strap a holster for a long barrelled pistol to that lower left leg. Had SP not done that their gait would be much more like what you see with geared up military or tactical teams.

I believe we are dealing with a meticulous planner. That said, I am confounded by the idea that somehow the planning would be less complicated. We have someone who has managed to create the situation where not only was the murder not caught on camera but neither was their exit from the church. Someone that probably left no physical evidence of their identity at the church or on the victim. Someone that almost certainly left no traceable movements other than what was seen on video. My take is that if you are going to go to all those lengths to cover all of those bases there were more planning elements that aren't as apparent. I don't believe SP was winging any of this. Nor do I believe any one person could get lucky so many times to not appear on camera, not be seen entering or leaving the church area, not leave much physical evidence leading back to them, etc.

The moon phase can determine how bright at night it will be. How well can you see outside at night under a full moon when the skies are clear? What about when there is a new moon? The brighter it is the better chance you will be seen. It is something that military operations take full advantage of when timing an operation, along with the weather. The less visibility the better. For what it is worth, you can find the moon phase calendars for any day even hundreds of years in the future (or past) in about 60 seconds on a Google search including the moon rise and set times which would tell you whether the moon would be visible at night at all.

I have said before that I believe SP is very intelligent, well beyond average perhaps 90th percentile or more (that is, smarter than 90 percent of anybody in this country). I also believe them to be very disciplined. When coupled with a planning ability that makes them an especially dangerous adversary. I believe them to be smarter than any of the investigators LE has on this case. SP's mistakes will not be apparent to most investigators. They will be apparent in hindsight should they get to SP and arrest them. I believe the biggest mistake is the plan itself since it would narrow down potential suspects rather quickly.

The reality is that SP could have killed MB outside the church, or even outside her home as she left for the church, just as easily and left even less to go on. SP chose to do otherwise as I am sure those other options (among others) would have been obvious. I am of the belief that the biggest clue to the identity of SP is the level of planning that went into this. Incidentally there is no one on the search warrants that would be this intelligent nor evidence this kind of planning capability. They aren't dummies but they are smart enough to approach this level of planning. When I look at this crime I see situational awareness, risk mitigation (in spades), use of devices like disguise and misdirection, that are all complicated when executed, apparently flawlessly, as part of a comprehensive plan. Others see differently.
Where would you find such a person? And, why would he agree to do it on the day BB is gone?
Wouldn't he have advised them that would bring more scrutiny to BB?
Or does he not care as his involvement was over once the deed was done? If he is so smart, why would he deal with people who aren't? I believe there was more than one who helped plan her demise. Why take the risk of murdering her when several people knew what was going to happen?
I believe certain people were advising this hitman whether the hit was a go or not as the weather could have easily messed with BB getting out of town. (Hence BB' s texts re waiting to get on the plane because of weather, and his texting a picture of where he was to indicate, he made it.)

Not challenging you. Just putting down reasons why this guy may not be who you think he is.

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  • #924
They do walk with a military gait. What we see with the left leg that changes it up is caused by the way the shin guards are strapped on that leg - which is not how shin guards are strapped. I believe that strapping to be necessary to strap a holster for a long barrelled pistol to that lower left leg. Had SP not done that their gait would be much more like what you see with geared up military or tactical teams.

I believe we are dealing with a meticulous planner. That said, I am confounded by the idea that somehow the planning would be less complicated. We have someone who has managed to create the situation where not only was the murder not caught on camera but neither was their exit from the church. Someone that probably left no physical evidence of their identity at the church or on the victim. Someone that almost certainly left no traceable movements other than what was seen on video. My take is that if you are going to go to all those lengths to cover all of those bases there were more planning elements that aren't as apparent. I don't believe SP was winging any of this. Nor do I believe any one person could get lucky so many times to not appear on camera, not be seen entering or leaving the church area, not leave much physical evidence leading back to them, etc.

The moon phase can determine how bright at night it will be. How well can you see outside at night under a full moon when the skies are clear? What about when there is a new moon? The brighter it is the better chance you will be seen. It is something that military operations take full advantage of when timing an operation, along with the weather. The less visibility the better. For what it is worth, you can find the moon phase calendars for any day even hundreds of years in the future (or past) in about 60 seconds on a Google search including the moon rise and set times which would tell you whether the moon would be visible at night at all.

I have said before that I believe SP is very intelligent, well beyond average perhaps 90th percentile or more (that is, smarter than 90 percent of anybody in this country). I also believe them to be very disciplined. When coupled with a planning ability that makes them an especially dangerous adversary. I believe them to be smarter than any of the investigators LE has on this case. SP's mistakes will not be apparent to most investigators. They will be apparent in hindsight should they get to SP and arrest them. I believe the biggest mistake is the plan itself since it would narrow down potential suspects rather quickly.

The reality is that SP could have killed MB outside the church, or even outside her home as she left for the church, just as easily and left even less to go on. SP chose to do otherwise as I am sure those other options (among others) would have been obvious. I am of the belief that the biggest clue to the identity of SP is the level of planning that went into this. Incidentally there is no one on the search warrants that would be this intelligent nor evidence this kind of planning capability. They aren't dummies but they are smart enough to approach this level of planning. When I look at this crime I see situational awareness, risk mitigation (in spades), use of devices like disguise and misdirection, that are all complicated when executed, apparently flawlessly, as part of a comprehensive plan. Others see differently.

An additional clue to all you said is also the risk SP took. The question is, was it a calculable risk, which is really a not so good term, but rather saying, was it a calculable event and what exactly were the calculable parts? Lots of planning, yes, and lots of non-calcuable variables as well, things like, what if someone is showing up earlier than anticipated? Police? Church personnel? etc.

The "benefit" of SP' operation had to outweigh the risk IMO. Benefit could be two major things: Hate and/or money. A hit would cover these elements too. Unless of course we are looking at an unstable mentally challenged individual, and then I would still doubt the capability of pulling off such a complex planning and execution. Of course we do not know, what and if the perp left evidence behind.

As an interrupted burglary, I simply do not understand SP's movements trough the church, especially the entry/exit point being the same (?). And we do recall, what the Chief said about the movements of the perp? Something like "We don't understand the movements of the individual at this time.."

-Nin
 
  • #925
They do walk with a military gait. What we see with the left leg that changes it up is caused by the way the shin guards are strapped on that leg - which is not how shin guards are strapped. I believe that strapping to be necessary to strap a holster for a long barrelled pistol to that lower left leg. Had SP not done that their gait would be much more like what you see with geared up military or tactical teams.

I believe we are dealing with a meticulous planner. That said, I am confounded by the idea that somehow the planning would be less complicated. We have someone who has managed to create the situation where not only was the murder not caught on camera but neither was their exit from the church. Someone that probably left no physical evidence of their identity at the church or on the victim. Someone that almost certainly left no traceable movements other than what was seen on video. My take is that if you are going to go to all those lengths to cover all of those bases there were more planning elements that aren't as apparent. I don't believe SP was winging any of this. Nor do I believe any one person could get lucky so many times to not appear on camera, not be seen entering or leaving the church area, not leave much physical evidence leading back to them, etc.

The moon phase can determine how bright at night it will be. How well can you see outside at night under a full moon when the skies are clear? What about when there is a new moon? The brighter it is the better chance you will be seen. It is something that military operations take full advantage of when timing an operation, along with the weather. The less visibility the better. For what it is worth, you can find the moon phase calendars for any day even hundreds of years in the future (or past) in about 60 seconds on a Google search including the moon rise and set times which would tell you whether the moon would be visible at night at all.

I have said before that I believe SP is very intelligent, well beyond average perhaps 90th percentile or more (that is, smarter than 90 percent of anybody in this country). I also believe them to be very disciplined. When coupled with a planning ability that makes them an especially dangerous adversary. I believe them to be smarter than any of the investigators LE has on this case. SP's mistakes will not be apparent to most investigators. They will be apparent in hindsight should they get to SP and arrest them. I believe the biggest mistake is the plan itself since it would narrow down potential suspects rather quickly.

The reality is that SP could have killed MB outside the church, or even outside her home as she left for the church, just as easily and left even less to go on. SP chose to do otherwise as I am sure those other options (among others) would have been obvious. I am of the belief that the biggest clue to the identity of SP is the level of planning that went into this. Incidentally there is no one on the search warrants that would be this intelligent nor evidence this kind of planning capability. They aren't dummies but they are smart enough to approach this level of planning. When I look at this crime I see situational awareness, risk mitigation (in spades), use of devices like disguise and misdirection, that are all complicated when executed, apparently flawlessly, as part of a comprehensive plan. Others see differently.
Just to pick your brain,,,, what type of profession do you believe SP is currently in? If not military anymore (hypothetical) where would we look for his profession?
Lastly, do u believe he is still and or lives in the area?
And, what would he benefit from this?
 
  • #926
They do walk with a military gait. What we see with the left leg that changes it up is caused by the way the shin guards are strapped on that leg - which is not how shin guards are strapped. I believe that strapping to be necessary to strap a holster for a long barrelled pistol to that lower left leg. Had SP not done that their gait would be much more like what you see with geared up military or tactical teams.

I believe we are dealing with a meticulous planner. That said, I am confounded by the idea that somehow the planning would be less complicated. We have someone who has managed to create the situation where not only was the murder not caught on camera but neither was their exit from the church. Someone that probably left no physical evidence of their identity at the church or on the victim. Someone that almost certainly left no traceable movements other than what was seen on video. My take is that if you are going to go to all those lengths to cover all of those bases there were more planning elements that aren't as apparent. I don't believe SP was winging any of this. Nor do I believe any one person could get lucky so many times to not appear on camera, not be seen entering or leaving the church area, not leave much physical evidence leading back to them, etc.

The moon phase can determine how bright at night it will be. How well can you see outside at night under a full moon when the skies are clear? What about when there is a new moon? The brighter it is the better chance you will be seen. It is something that military operations take full advantage of when timing an operation, along with the weather. The less visibility the better. For what it is worth, you can find the moon phase calendars for any day even hundreds of years in the future (or past) in about 60 seconds on a Google search including the moon rise and set times which would tell you whether the moon would be visible at night at all.

I have said before that I believe SP is very intelligent, well beyond average perhaps 90th percentile or more (that is, smarter than 90 percent of anybody in this country). I also believe them to be very disciplined. When coupled with a planning ability that makes them an especially dangerous adversary. I believe them to be smarter than any of the investigators LE has on this case. SP's mistakes will not be apparent to most investigators. They will be apparent in hindsight should they get to SP and arrest them. I believe the biggest mistake is the plan itself since it would narrow down potential suspects rather quickly.

The reality is that SP could have killed MB outside the church, or even outside her home as she left for the church, just as easily and left even less to go on. SP chose to do otherwise as I am sure those other options (among others) would have been obvious. I am of the belief that the biggest clue to the identity of SP is the level of planning that went into this. Incidentally there is no one on the search warrants that would be this intelligent nor evidence this kind of planning capability. They aren't dummies but they are smart enough to approach this level of planning. When I look at this crime I see situational awareness, risk mitigation (in spades), use of devices like disguise and misdirection, that are all complicated when executed, apparently flawlessly, as part of a comprehensive plan. Others see differently.

I really like your points. Take a look at CW’s linkedin page (it’s public) – he has much of the military training you describe (leading and planning raids, etc). And read the praise he has received from clients, etc. Matches what you’re saying as well (disciplined, leader, etc.).

Also, he has a similar walk due to a foot injury from his MMA fighting (at least someone reported that on here many threads ago), but I have watched some of his videos and you can catch glimpses of his walk being at least close to the perp's - especially if you add on the gear.
 
  • #927
Hi all. Apologies if this has been raised (I'm sure it has) - but I'm new to this and there's SO much here.

The perp's walk/gait, to me, is strikingly similar to Randy Bevers':

[video=youtube;Os-eWR0UvTs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os-eWR0UvTs[/video]

What's the consensus here? Has he been ruled out? Did the DNA testing ever come back with conclusive results? That's the EXACT same walk to my eyes.

It’s the exact same to me as well. I was hooked on it being RB for a long time (and still think he might be perp) but supposedly his alibi has checked out (he was in CA). Also, the blood on the shirt was dog blood. If there is any other DNA evidence, I am not aware of it. LE stated that no family or friends are suspects. But to me that’s different that persons of interest. I think LE hasn’t taken anyone off the table.
 
  • #928
I really like your points. Take a look at CW’s linkedin page (it’s public) – he has much of the military training you describe (leading and planning raids, etc). And read the praise he has received from clients, etc. Matches what you’re saying as well (disciplined, leader, etc.).

Also, he has a similar walk due to a foot injury from his MMA fighting (at least someone reported that on here many threads ago), but I have watched some of his videos and you can catch glimpses of his walk being at least close to the perp's - especially if you add on the gear.
Why would CW take such a risk?
And so much time in the planning?
It would have been much easier to kill her at home withmuch less chance of getting caught. The kids were home but why would he care?
Especially if this was motivated by jealousy.

No, someone wanted this to happen away from the girls and away from the




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  • #929
Why would CW take such a risk?
And so much time in the planning?
It would have been much easier to kill her at home withmuch less chance of getting caught. The kids were home but why would he care?
Especially if this was motivated by jealousy.

No, someone wanted this to happen away from the girls and away from the




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I don’t know why he would take the risk. But why would anyone? I am not saying it was CW. But he does have the skills/characteristics I mentioned earlier, and he knew MB, and he potentially had motive if things weren’t going his way. Again, I don’t know why anyone would commit a crime like this – it is usually only logical to the killer. But I think the killer is someone who knew MB and probably someone on the SW list.

Regardless of who the killer is, it makes more sense NOT to commit the crime at her house (even outside) because if she screamed, someone could hear her and then maybe see the perp's car driving off.
 
  • #930
I don’t know why he would take the risk. But why would anyone? I am not saying it was CW. But he does have the skills/characteristics I mentioned earlier, and he knew MB, and he potentially had motive if things weren’t going his way. Again, I don’t know why anyone would commit a crime like this – it is usually only logical to the killer. But I think the killer was someone who knew MB and probably someone on the SW list.

Regardless of who the killer is, it makes more sense NOT to commit the crime at her house (even outside) because if she screamed, someone could hear her and see then maybe see the perp's car driving off.

I think not her house bc the daughters were there. Church chosen if thinking perp was misdirecting to a botched burglary and MB got in the way. JMHO


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  • #931
From an athletic perspective, MB was getting ready for the Spartan Race. Yes, she was in shape, but "race tip top shape" prep requires additional hard training. A major reason to me, why an athlete stops or modifies a training schedule is injury or repeated injury or almost injury. That will make one really frustrated and depressed.

Some sore spots or injuries are so crucial to the allover workout, they can hardly be modified, back problems for example ( anyone with plantar fascia or hamstring injuries also knows how long it takes for that to heal..).

Would she have mentioned it to friends or the gym owner? Possibly. As a pro, I would have not.

-Nin

Agree with this top reason for quitting a scheduled exercise routine. And agree that most wouldn't know if injury was keeping her out of the gym, unless she maybe happened to mention it upon return (maybe if someone said they'd missed seeing her).

That said, there is also the point that the gym manager said she seemed 'not herself' in the weeks before, more preoccupied, quieter than usual when she was at the gym. If she'd suffered an injury, it didn't seem to keep her from doing her Gladiator classes, and no one has mentioned seeing such an injury handicap her in the weeks prior to her death. So that gives me pause. With rare exception, injuries that keep me away from my sport are usually fairly debilitating (eg. back sprain, knee injury), where it would be pretty noticeable in my daily life functioning, as well. So I'm not convinced, yet, that injury was what was keeping her from the gym.

JMO, but I believe she may have felt physically, emotionally, or socially threatened in those latter weeks by someone who frequented the gym.
 
  • #932
What are the laws In regard to search warrants in TX. ? Can they remain sealed for certain reasons until an arrest is made?


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  • #933
Hi all. Apologies if this has been raised (I'm sure it has) - but I'm new to this and there's SO much here.

The perp's walk/gait, to me, is strikingly similar to Randy Bevers':

[video=youtube;Os-eWR0UvTs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os-eWR0UvTs[/video]

What's the consensus here? Has he been ruled out? Did the DNA testing ever come back with conclusive results? That's the EXACT same walk to my eyes.

Yes, I agree. However, I ruled him out based on his age and health. I believe we are looking for a much younger perp. Hope that helps some. He was vacationing in California at the time of the murders.
 
  • #934
Where would you find such a person? And, why would he agree to do it on the day BB is gone?
Wouldn't he have advised them that would bring more scrutiny to BB?
Or does he not care as his involvement was over once the deed was done? If he is so smart, why would he deal with people who aren't? I believe there was more than one who helped plan her demise. Why take the risk of murdering her when several people knew what was going to happen?
I believe certain people were advising this hitman whether the hit was a go or not as the weather could have easily messed with BB getting out of town. (Hence BB' s texts re waiting to get on the plane because of weather, and his texting a picture of where he was to indicate, he made it.)

Not challenging you. Just putting down reasons why this guy may not be who you think he is.

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I don't believe this was a hit. Nor do I believe that anyone in the search warrants had anything to do with Missy's murder - I don't believe a single one of them wanted her dead. This person acted on their own volition to murder Missy. There is the possibility that SP did not act alone and in that case SP's spouse would have been involved. The motive is strongly religious/morality in nature. It had nothing to do with BB or anyone else. It was all about Missy and who she had become.
 
  • #935
An additional clue to all you said is also the risk SP took. The question is, was it a calculable risk, which is really a not so good term, but rather saying, was it a calculable event and what exactly were the calculable parts? Lots of planning, yes, and lots of non-calcuable variables as well, things like, what if someone is showing up earlier than anticipated? Police? Church personnel? etc.

The "benefit" of SP' operation had to outweigh the risk IMO. Benefit could be two major things: Hate and/or money. A hit would cover these elements too. Unless of course we are looking at an unstable mentally challenged individual, and then I would still doubt the capability of pulling off such a complex planning and execution. Of course we do not know, what and if the perp left evidence behind.

As an interrupted burglary, I simply do not understand SP's movements trough the church, especially the entry/exit point being the same (?). And we do recall, what the Chief said about the movements of the perp? Something like "We don't understand the movements of the individual at this time.."

-Nin
Well, I do believe that quite a bit of risk mitigation occurred in the planning. In particular I believe that SP arrived to the church area and exited the church area on foot and at no time did SP use a vehicle. I am convinced they knew that MB arrived early and they knew where she would head in the church upon arrival. Therefore SP knew where to be and when to be there. The calculated risk being if anyone else showed up with Missy - highly unlikely - or another showing soon after - very unlikely however this would be the first of several possible events post-murder that were more and more out of SP's ability to mitigate completely. Knowing that LE would follow protocol would be an advantage. Knowing that LE would work largely down a check list (Occam's Razor) (in their early steps for sure) also was an advantage.

The key risk was getting out of the church and off of the property unseen - about 100 to 150 feet once outside the church - and they were (at least in their mind) home free.
 
  • #936
Well, I do believe that quite a bit of risk mitigation occurred in the planning. In particular I believe that SP arrived to the church area and exited the church area on foot and at no time did SP use a vehicle. I am convinced they knew that MB arrived early and they knew where she would head in the church upon arrival. Therefore SP knew where to be and when to be there. The calculated risk being if anyone else showed up with Missy - highly unlikely - or another showing soon after - very unlikely however this would be the first of several possible events post-murder that were more and more out of SP's ability to mitigate completely. Knowing that LE would follow protocol would be an advantage. Knowing that LE would work largely down a check list (Occam's Razor) (in their early steps for sure) also was an advantage.

The key risk was getting out of the church and off of the property unseen - about 100 to 150 feet once outside the church - and they were (at least in their mind) home free.
I'm with you on many of your points. Are you of the opinion the Altima seen on SWFA camera is most likely involved? In your scenario of SP leaving on foot, approx 100-150 ft off church property, what is your best guess on SP exiting the church, the church grounds, and mode of getaway once off church property?
 
  • #937
Who is SP?
 
  • #938
Just to pick your brain,,,, what type of profession do you believe SP is currently in? If not military anymore (hypothetical) where would we look for his profession?
Lastly, do u believe he is still and or lives in the area?
And, what would he benefit from this?
I would expect that person works in a role that involves planning and/or logistics and coordinating resources, people, etc. Perhaps even running their own business. SP would be still in the area since there is no reason to flee. While I expect it is possible the LE has talked to this person, and if not absolutely they have spoken with his spouse, LE is not even looking in this person's direction. (I could be very wrong about this so maybe they shouldn't). The benefit is much simpler - Missy is gone. SP needed Missy to go away.
 
  • #939
I'm with you on many of your points. Are you of the opinion the Altima seen on SWFA camera is most likely involved? In your scenario of SP leaving on foot, approx 100-150 ft off church property, what is your best guess on SP exiting the church, the church grounds, and mode of getaway once off church property?

Seems like that's where this statement comes in -'There’s one surveillance camera where you can see the car in the far corner of the frame, parked in the distance. You can't make out a plate, and we're not even comfortable releasing anything about a possible make or model,' Johnson said.
 
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