Found Deceased TX - Thomas Brown, 18, Hemphill County, 23 November 2016 *remains found 2019* #4

[8th Bob-White]

Thanks for the update. I keep hoping his family gets some of the answers they deserve. The truth needs to come out and whoever's responsible be held accountable.

 

[beartoothhiker]

The autopsy has been released on Kleins FB page!

Short version: 2 catastrophic injuries pre-mortem to his head

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The autopsy does not say "pre-mortem" at any point - the word used is "perimortem" - which references a time period of days preceding death to weeks following death.

 

[Ssschu]

The autopsy does not say "pre-mortem" at any point - the word used is "perimortem" - which references a time period of days preceding death to weeks following death.

THIS!! Klein is completely misrepresenting the findings to suit his latest narrative. IMO he has been the worst thing that could have happened to this case.

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[Nehalem20]

THIS!! Klein is completely misrepresenting the findings to suit his latest narrative. IMO he has been the worst thing that could have happened to this case.

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I mean - yea. But what is more likely here?
Scenario 1 - someone hit TB in the face while he was still alive.. twice.
Scenario 2 - someone hit TB’s face - twice - after he died.

It’s logical to conclude that these injuries occurred in scenario 1, absent a viable theory for scenario 2 more likely than scenario 1, the rest is just splitting hairs over semantics. I don’t think wild animals can swing rocks or bats so this looks like foul play with a pre-mortem trauma.

 

[Nehalem20]

It’s incredibly frustrating that this still hasn’t been solved. The only way it will ever be solved absent some confession is the answer to a few answers to a few keystone questions. So maybe it would be good if we compile a list of questions and try to narrow them down to the most keystone of keystones.

The first thing that pops into my mind - assuming TB was already dead or incapacitated - who was driving the dodge durango around town as seen on cctv that early morning and who could have parked the car near the water treatment plant?

 

[lonewanderer]

It’s incredibly frustrating that this still hasn’t been solved. The only way it will ever be solved absent some confession is the answer to a few answers to a few keystone questions. So maybe it would be good if we compile a list of questions and try to narrow them down to the most keystone of keystones.

The first thing that pops into my mind - assuming TB was already dead or incapacitated - who was driving the dodge durango around town as seen on cctv that early morning and who could have parked the car near the water treatment plant?

Probably the same person that planted Thomas’s phone.

I think one of Thomas’s friends held on to that phone and planted it at the search. Not the police, not his mother.

Someone knows everything.

 

[beartoothhiker]

Probably the same person that planted Thomas’s phone.

I think one of Thomas’s friends held on to that phone and planted it at the search. Not the police, not his mother.

Someone knows everything.

Why would a friend keep the phone and then decide to plant it to be found? What would be their motive in the phone being found? If a friend had the phone and there was a connection to what happened to Tom that night, the phone would have been at the bottom of the Canadian River never to be found.

 

[beartoothhiker]

It’s incredibly frustrating that this still hasn’t been solved. The only way it will ever be solved absent some confession is the answer to a few answers to a few keystone questions. So maybe it would be good if we compile a list of questions and try to narrow them down to the most keystone of keystones.

The first thing that pops into my mind - assuming TB was already dead or incapacitated - who was driving the dodge durango around town as seen on cctv that early morning and who could have parked the car near the water treatment plant?

Someone that couldn't leave the Durango where Tom's body was left b/c there was no way to get back into town. And they couldn't risk driving back through town at that time of the morning. They needed a place to leave it that would be on the edge of town and still easy to walk into town and/or get picked up by someone.

 

[lonewanderer]

Why would a friend keep the phone and then decide to plant it to be found? What would be their motive in the phone being found? If a friend had the phone and there was a connection to what happened to Tom that night, the phone would have been at the bottom of the Canadian River never to be found.

If this truly was a friend, they likely know what happened or know a HECK of a lot more than they have said. Planting the phone could be a way of admitting they know something, giving a chance of getting the story out, and not having to say it or risk exposure.

These are high school kids at the time keep in mind.

 

[beartoothhiker]

If this truly was a friend, they likely know what happened or know a HECK of a lot more than they have said. Planting the phone could be a way of admitting they know something, giving a chance of getting the story out, and not having to say it or risk exposure.

These are high school kids at the time keep in mind.

These are high school kids at the time keep in mind.
And this supports my position even more; was a high school kid connected enough to the plans being made to know where the search was going to start and where it was going to be held and then think "this is my chance, I'm going to go out the night before or early in the morning and set the phone out there"? To then have the analysis on the phone to show that there was a search for a suicide hotline at 9:11pm the night Tom disappeared? And why would the high school kid have the phone without the battery-charging case?

 

[lonewanderer]

These are high school kids at the time keep in mind.
And this supports my position even more; was a high school kid connected enough to the plans being made to know where the search was going to start and where it was going to be held and then think "this is my chance, I'm going to go out the night before or early in the morning and set the phone out there"? To then have the analysis on the phone to show that there was a search for a suicide hotline at 9:11pm the night Tom disappeared? And why would the high school kid have the phone without the battery-charging case?

How big was the search? Wasn’t there a lot of people? That requires a lot of planning and information being exchanged. Seemed like the perfect time and place to plant it somewhere.

What about the charging case? I am not familiar with that detail.

I see a lot more incentive for a friend or someone involved in Tom’s death to plant the phone that I do his mother or the police. What would either of them gain from it?

 

[beartoothhiker]

How big was the search? Wasn’t there a lot of people? That requires a lot of planning and information being exchanged. Seemed like the perfect time and place to plant it somewhere.

What about the charging case? I am not familiar with that detail.

I see a lot more incentive for a friend or someone involved in Tom’s death to plant the phone that I do his mother or the police. What would either of them gain from it?

There were alot of people involved in the search itself, but it has been documented that the actual area to be searched wasn't disclosed to the search party until the gathering/meeting point that morning. The were only very few, including LE and Klein, that knew the plans.

Regarding the charging case details, I'll leave that to you to research; not hard to find the details in many of the documents over the years.

The incentive for the person that had the phone would be to see what information the phone contained; the phone could not be turned on to research themselves b/c of the digital trail that would leave.

 

[lonewanderer]

There were alot of people involved in the search itself, but it has been documented that the actual area to be searched wasn't disclosed to the search party until the gathering/meeting point that morning. The were only very few, including LE and Klein, that knew the plans.

Regarding the charging case details, I'll leave that to you to research; not hard to find the details in many of the documents over the years.

The incentive for the person that had the phone would be to see what information the phone contained; the phone could not be turned on to research themselves b/c of the digital trail that would leave.

I was hoping you could give me some clarity on the phone case thing. I’ll look into it…

Exactly, someone with incentive not to turn the phone on would be a friend that knows something. Don’t you think the cops or his mom would have turned it on immediately?

 

[beartoothhiker]

I was hoping you could give me some clarity on the phone case thing. I’ll look into it…

Exactly, someone with incentive not to turn the phone on would be a friend that knows something. Don’t you think the cops or his mom would have turned it on immediately?

Historically, the iPhone 6, as with most early iPhones, was known for experiencing degraded battery performance and owners of the phones needing to charge more often than daily. I do not know the specifics about the phone in this case. However, what is known and documented is Tom was intentional about keeping his iPhone "battery case" on his phone - this case provided extended charging lengthening the time required between charging. Based on the forensics done on the phone, the belief is the case was attached to the phone while Tom was still at home that evening. This created a "plugged in" log entry in the phone with no corresponding "unplug" log entry- which is why they believe the case was attached and the phone wasn't just plugged into a wall charger. The phone was found in the search without the battery-charging case attached. After the phone was found a family member stated she had the battery-charging case since Tom's disappearance.

 

[lonewanderer]

Historically, the iPhone 6, as with most early iPhones, was known for experiencing degraded battery performance and owners of the phones needing to charge more often than daily. I do not know the specifics about the phone in this case. However, what is known and documented is Tom was intentional about keeping his iPhone "battery case" on his phone - this case provided extended charging lengthening the time required between charging. Based on the forensics done on the phone, the belief is the case was attached to the phone while Tom was still at home that evening. This created a "plugged in" log entry in the phone with no corresponding "unplug" log entry- which is why they believe the case was attached and the phone wasn't just plugged into a wall charger. The phone was found in the search without the battery-charging case attached. After the phone was found a family member stated she had the battery-charging case since Tom's disappearance.

Interesting.

Was it a family member close in age to him?

 

[beartoothhiker]

Interesting.

Was it a family member close in age to him?

no