UK - 39 bodies found in lorry, Essex, 23 October 2019

[Mommysleuth11]

Well 3pm BST is 4pm in Europe, that makes sense im my tiny brain.

There is cutting it fine and theres turning up once the ship is closed up amd ready to leave port....

I dont know, time will tell but im going with my theory for now.

Eta, obviously JMO

 

[Mommysleuth11]

And here's the actual one, the MV Clementine

View attachment 211296

Vessel details for: CLEMENTINE (Ro-Ro Cargo) - IMO 9125384, MMSI 205451000, Call Sign ONDK Registered in Belgium | AIS Marine Traffic

That is the same company i posted the sailing times for.

 

[CSIDreamer]

And here's the actual one, the MV Clementine

View attachment 211296

Vessel details for: CLEMENTINE (Ro-Ro Cargo) - IMO 9125384, MMSI 205451000, Call Sign ONDK Registered in Belgium | AIS Marine Traffic

There is quite a lot of info on that link about sail times and locations but I can't seem to get the info from Tuesday / Wednesday.

Bless you!

 

[arrogantcat]

The girls brother confirms a lot , they have had £30k refunded

The refund is such an odd detail. Why would they do this? People traffickers with a conscience seems unlikely - if you’re willing to take £30k off desperate people to lock them in a fridge for 10 hours, you’re surely not all that concerned for their welfare.

Anyone got any theories on this?

 

[arrogantcat]

Are these units/ lorrys completely sound proof? Probably a stupid question but wouldn’t 39 desperate people banging and frantically fighting for life have been heard by someone, at some point on sea or land?

At the speed these vessels travel, the sound of engines, wind and sea is deafeningly loud on deck. In my limited experience, it was barely even possible to have a shouted conversation with someone stood beside me.

edit: saw the photos - different type of vessel, so this might not apply.

 

[hitthenick]

Amazing things happening at the house in Warrington near me, its closed off at the moment, quite a few reporters are camped out and police still too. Potentially the cars could be taken away as there's a truck parked nearby.

Me and my daughter who've been popping out to have a look have been approached by 3 reporters attempting to ask us questions regarding the two people arrested.

One particular irritating reporter followed us back to our property and knocked on our door to ask questions, we didn't answer, they were persistently knocking, I then got our 4 dogs on leads and answered... Off they went.

We personally have zero information that would help the police yet we do know of the family and have no motive to feed the press mongrels any info.

The local rumours currently aren't good which I'm surprised at to be honest.

 

[CSIDreamer]

The refund is such an odd detail. Why would they do this? People traffickers with a conscience seems unlikely - if you’re willing to take £30k off desperate people to lock them in a fridge for 10 hours, you’re surely not all that concerned for their welfare.

Anyone got any theories on this?

Hush money?

 

[HongKongPhooey]

The refund is such an odd detail. Why would they do this? People traffickers with a conscience seems unlikely - if you’re willing to take £30k off desperate people to lock them in a fridge for 10 hours, you’re surely not all that concerned for their welfare.

Anyone got any theories on this?

I kind of hate to think it because its so cold, but it could be to protect future business. Transaction failed, money back. Or it could have been an agreement for hush. I'm not confusing countries here but you know how in those high profile cases in Japan a few years back, the perp compensated a victims parent substantially. Almost like its accepted there's a value on.life. Or - I could be totally wrong in every way

 

[CSIDreamer]

Amazing things happening at the house in Warrington near me, its closed off at the moment, quite a few reporters are camped out and police still too. Potentially the cars could be taken away as there's a truck parked nearby.

Me and my daughter who've been popping out to have a look have been approached by 3 reporters attempting to ask us questions regarding the two people arrested.

One particular irritating reporter followed us back to our property and knocked on our door to ask questions, we didn't answer, they were persistently knocking, I then got our 4 dogs on leads and answered... Off they went.

We personally have zero information that would help the police yet we do know of the family and have no motive to feed the press mongrels any info.

The local rumours currently aren't good which I'm surprised at to be honest.

Are they still searching the house or just sitting on it?

 

[Fidobell]

Essex: 39 bodies in truck container identified as Chinese nationals -- live updates - CNN

'The chief executive of Zeebrugge port, Joachim Coens, told Belgium's Flemish public broadcaster VRT he thinks that it's "extremely unlikely" the people found dead in the back of a truck were loaded into the trailer at Zeebrugge because of the checks that take place at the port.

“One makes a visual check with cameras, and looks if the seal is intact, and then is placed at the terminal,” Coens said.

“If it’s a refrigerated container that’s closed with a seal, then it’s also hermetically sealed, so you can’t see inside with CO2 or dogs, so then above all the seal is checked, a visual check, also the driver is checked, and then nothing else happens with it because it’s also not possible that people get inside at that place, because it’s sealed off. Right before it goes onboard, it’s again checked if everything is still in order. And then it goes to the other side,” Coens explained.'

So if it had a seal why would the paper work be in the back. I initially thought he as at the delivery point bit nothing l have seen so far confirms that. I'm on slight side eye awaiting further info facial expression.

My hubby , a lorry driver has just told me exactly this . If paperwork is used (instead of incab tablets being favoured increasingly ) this is passed over when handover is made , seal number being checked to alert you to any tampering. Whoever is in possession of that vehicle is responsible for seal being intact and numbers on seal matching accompanying paperwork . PW would be needed at various stages of journey so it makes no sense to be inside doors

 

[CSIDreamer]

My hubby , a lorry driver has just told me exactly this . If paperwork is used (instead of incab tablets being favoured increasingly ) this is passed over when handover is made , seal number being checked to alert you to any tampering. Whoever is in possession of that vehicle is responsible for seal being intact and numbers on seal matching accompanying paperwork . PW would be needed at various stages of journey so it makes no sense to be inside doors

Almost makes me wonder if the people are code named "paperwork".

Let me check the paperwork.

JMO. Musing.

 

[Fidobell]

Technical bit How are lorries checked for concealed migrants?

X rayed , heat seeking . Using a refrigerated unit suggests they were trying outwit these checks
Apparently the port this container entered does not have a permanent onsite facility for x Ray's, bringing in such equipment at times . The route, rather than Calais, suggests knowledge of such checks being improbable .

 

[hitthenick]

Are they still searching the house or just sitting on it?

Closed off, many police still there, large vans and mainly crime scene investigation vans present.

 

[GimmeAclueBlue]

Closed off, many police still there, large vans and mainly crime scene investigation vans present.

Crazy! I wonder why they would need so many vans etc. Do u think this has a slave edge to it? Its very high profile tho so maybe its to stop retaliation etc

 

[Cherwell]

Belgian customs only check one in 400 ship containers’ papers at Zeebrugge, it has emerged, as questions over border checks intensified after the deaths of 39 Chinese migrants in a refrigerated lorry from the port.

OR ...

Just one in every 100 sealed containers at Zeebrugge are x-rayed, and none are checked for heat, according to authorities at the Belgian port through which the 39 people found dead in the back of a lorry in Essex are believed to have travelled.

So which is correct Zeebrugge ... 1 in 100 or 1 in 400 containers get checked?

I read that as two different things. The first refers to checking documentation, the second refers to x-ray checking.

 

[Elainera]

Here is a glimpse into what it's like to be smuggled in the back of a lorry.


Jawad Amiri and his little brother were smuggled into the UK three years ago and almost suffocated in the back of a lorry. He is sharing his story:

The 28-year-old from Afghanistan was one of 15 people pulled from a sealed container on the M1 as oxygen became perilously low.

He described his harrowing journey from a Calais migrant camp and how a text from his seven-year-old brother Ahmad saved their lives.

Every night the people smugglers would open a lorry and put groups of 20 to 30 people inside. They have taken your money and they don't care if you live or die.

Me and my seven-year-old brother Ahmad got inside a refrigerated lorry with 13 others. They locked the door behind you and everybody was scared because you cannot open it from the inside.

Inside the lorry were cartons of medicine. There was a space of half a metre between the boxes and the roof. We had to lie there for 15 or 16 hours. We couldn't move, or sit or stand. It was like a moving grave.

It was completely dark and in the beginning it was very cold because it was refrigerated. But then the air conditioning was broken and it got warmer and warmer.

We took off our blankets and clothes. All we had was water and then that was gone. There was nowhere to go to the toilet.

It was difficult to breathe. My brother was crying, he was scared and he was coughing. I kept saying to him: "You will be fine, they will open the door."

We were sweating, it was getting hotter and hotter and you couldn't talk very well.

We kept calling to the driver and banging on the roof. He stopped many times and we hoped he would open the doors but he did not want to.

He was using very bad language and shouting at us to be quiet.

Some of the others had phones but they did not want to call the police because they were scared they would be sent back.

My phone battery had gone but Ahmad had a very small phone and he sent a message to the lady at the charity in the camp who had given him the phone.

He said we needed help, the driver would not stop and there was no oxygen.

She said: "Don't move, relax, don't talk too much we are going to call the police".

They came with the dog and found the lorry and opened the door for us and by that time everyone was happy.



'I almost suffocated in the back of a lorry'

 

[azure]

Here is a glimpse into what it's like to be smuggled in the back of a lorry.


Jawad Amiri and his little brother were smuggled into the UK three years ago and almost suffocated in the back of a lorry. He is sharing his story:

The 28-year-old from Afghanistan was one of 15 people pulled from a sealed container on the M1 as oxygen became perilously low.

He described his harrowing journey from a Calais migrant camp and how a text from his seven-year-old brother Ahmad saved their lives.

Every night the people smugglers would open a lorry and put groups of 20 to 30 people inside. They have taken your money and they don't care if you live or die.

Me and my seven-year-old brother Ahmad got inside a refrigerated lorry with 13 others. They locked the door behind you and everybody was scared because you cannot open it from the inside.

Inside the lorry were cartons of medicine. There was a space of half a metre between the boxes and the roof. We had to lie there for 15 or 16 hours. We couldn't move, or sit or stand. It was like a moving grave.

It was completely dark and in the beginning it was very cold because it was refrigerated. But then the air conditioning was broken and it got warmer and warmer.

We took off our blankets and clothes. All we had was water and then that was gone. There was nowhere to go to the toilet.

It was difficult to breathe. My brother was crying, he was scared and he was coughing. I kept saying to him: "You will be fine, they will open the door."

We were sweating, it was getting hotter and hotter and you couldn't talk very well.

We kept calling to the driver and banging on the roof. He stopped many times and we hoped he would open the doors but he did not want to.

He was using very bad language and shouting at us to be quiet.

Some of the others had phones but they did not want to call the police because they were scared they would be sent back.

My phone battery had gone but Ahmad had a very small phone and he sent a message to the lady at the charity in the camp who had given him the phone.

He said we needed help, the driver would not stop and there was no oxygen.

She said: "Don't move, relax, don't talk too much we are going to call the police".

They came with the dog and found the lorry and opened the door for us and by that time everyone was happy.

View attachment 211315

'I almost suffocated in the back of a lorry'

Based on this, I think "our" migrants removed clothing because of hypERthermia.

 

[hitthenick]

The local hair salon belonging to the two people arrested is also being searched currently, right now, 0045am Sat 26 Oct, that's about a 5 minute drive away from their house.

My daughter has her hair done there once a month at least. She knows the female arrested quite well. Very bizarre and the press are like fleas now round here.

It's looking like these will be charged with offences related to the bodies based on closed very local opinion. Personally I've no idea of them.

PS - this isn't me sleuthing, it's right on my doorstep all of a sudden. I'm not sure I can answer questions

 

[CSIDreamer]

The local hair salon belonging to the two people arrested is also being searched currently, right now, 0045am Sat 26 Oct, that's about a 5 minute drive away from their house.

My daughter has her hair done there once a month at least. She knows the female arrested quite well. Very bizarre and the press are like fleas now round here.

It's looking like these will be charged with offences related to the bodies based on closed very local opinion. Personally I've no idea of them.

PS - this isn't me sleuthing, it's right on my doorstep all of a sudden. I'm not sure I can answer questions

I think from what I read you can answer questions on what you're observing, while avoiding gossip. It seems you're doing that perfectly.

 

[CSIDreamer]

The local hair salon belonging to the two people arrested is also being searched currently, right now, 0045am Sat 26 Oct, that's about a 5 minute drive away from their house.

My daughter has her hair done there once a month at least. She knows the female arrested quite well. Very bizarre and the press are like fleas now round here.

It's looking like these will be charged with offences related to the bodies based on closed very local opinion. Personally I've no idea of them.

PS - this isn't me sleuthing, it's right on my doorstep all of a sudden. I'm not sure I can answer questions

I'm curious. How many people work at that salon?