UK - 39 bodies found in lorry, Essex, 23 October 2019

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  • #921
Hes up to his neck in this.
I agree. I wanted to believe that he didn’t know that he was transporting human beings but I can’t imagine now that he wasn’t involved.
 
  • #922
Two of the people who were arrested have been named but the 48yr old arrested at Stansted hasn’t been named yet. Given he is also from NI and he is 48 (driver 25), is anyone else thinking along the same lines as I am regarding the identity of the person arrested at Stansted?
 
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Two of the people who were arrested have been named but the 48yr old arrested at Stansted hasn’t been named yet. Given he is also from NI and he is 48 (driver 25), is anyone else thinking along the same lines as I am regarding the identity of the person arrested at Stansted?

Maybe?
 
  • #924
The 39 people on the lorry all had a small bag of clothes with them.

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Mark Simpson on Twitter
 
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Update: Saturday 26 October 17:51
All of the 39 people found in the lorry have now been moved from Tilbury Docks to Broomfield Hospital in Chelmsford.

The process to identify them and where they are from is continuing. This process works in tandem to the investigative process – as we look to both identify those who have died and identify and preserve any forensic evidence so that we can achieve justice for each of these victims and their loved ones.

This is the largest mass fatality victim identification process in the history of Essex Police.

We are using internationally-recognised standards of identification to identify the deceased. These are known as the INTERPOL Disaster Victim Identification Standards.

Disaster Victim Identification (DVI) is the internationally accepted term for the processes and procedures for recovering and identifying deceased people and human remains in multiple fatality incidents.

The process involves bringing together antemortem and postmortem information to make a positive identification by scientific means in a dignified manner, taking into account the needs of the investigation process, the needs of the bereaved and the needs of the community.

Victims are identified where possible, by at least one of the primary identification methods which are dental comparison, fingerprints and DNA.

Other, secondary, identification features are also taken into consideration, such as tattoos and scars. Supporting information to consider can include jewellery, clothing or property.

Once a preliminary identification has been made, trained liaison officers are deployed to support families.

These processes take place in conjunction with the Essex Coroner Caroline Beasley-Murray. Both Essex Police and the coroner are committed to working as quickly as possible to identify people and repatriate them to their families.

Every victim a forensic scene. Officers are meticulously processing all the property that was with the victims and in the lorry and every item has an individual record made of it.

There are 39 victims and each appears to have a bag of some description, clothes, and other belongings.

So far we have over 500 exhibits, including mobile phones which have to be downloaded and the interrogation of mobile phones will be important for identifying the victims but also assisting the wider investigation - this needs to be done in forensic way so it will pass the evidential process for court later.

As in any instance where a mass fatality has unfolded we cannot predict how long this process will take.

Senior Identification Manager Detective Chief Inspector Martin Pasmore said:

“We are working hard to understand how the 39 victims of this tragic incident have died and to identify all those involved.

“We remain open minded as to nationalities of those who have died. We are asking anyone who may have information that may assist us in identification to come forward to us.

“If you come to us, we will do all we can to put our arm around you and take you through this process, and establish as quickly as possible whether or not we have your loved involved in this tragic incident, and try and reunite you.

“It may well be people are here illegally and they want to come forward with information or concerns, particularly if they believe their loved one is involved. We want to identify their loved ones and reunite but they are frightened.

“We understand some people may be frightened but I hope people will put trust in me and make that leap of faith – Essex Police will not look to take any action against you.

“Please make contact with my team by reporting information through our UK Police Major Incident Public Reporting site or contact our dedicated hotline on 0800 056 0944 if you live in the UK and 0044 207 158 0010 if you’re dialling internationally.

“Our thoughts remain with all those so affected by this tragedy.”

Murder investigation launched after 39 people found dead in lorry container | Essex Police
 
  • #926
Two of the people who were arrested have been named but the 48yr old arrested at Stansted hasn’t been named yet. Given he is also from NI and he is 48 (driver 25), is anyone else thinking along the same lines as I am regarding the identity of the person arrested at Stansted?

I think i have been thinking, what you are thinking.

Im also wondering if yet more arrests will follow. Jmo
 
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#Breaking World Exclusive....The cab suspected of driving the container in which 39 migrants died in Essex to the ferry in Zeebrugge is confiscated by #Garda as it disembarked in Dublin Port this morning..

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Padraig O'Reilly Photographer on Twitter
 
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  • #930
I think i have been thinking, what you are thinking.

Im also wondering if yet more arrests will follow. Jmo

If what l think you're thinking is what l think you're thinking, l'm not thinking it.

Suddenly it's all got a bit 'l can't believe it's not butters not butter'
 
  • #931
Two of the people who were arrested have been named but the 48yr old arrested at Stansted hasn’t been named yet. Given he is also from NI and he is 48 (driver 25), is anyone else thinking along the same lines as I am regarding the identity of the person arrested at Stansted?
I have no idea who it is. There will be numerous people involved.
 
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interesting the charge of money laundering. Nothing on his facebook/insta has any sign of ill gotten wealth.

Only thing that looks out of place is the 200k property they own.
 
  • #934
Maybe no-one in this whole sorry saga is entirely innocent.. the poor souls who died were trying to avoid normal migration controls, for whatever reason? The people funding their trips... ditto? Those arranging the travel .. ditto.. plus any other infringements whilst avoiding the controls ? And those providing the transport .. again ditto .. The fact that this particular scenario ended so badly needs to be widely broadcast ... to make everyone involved think twice before embarking on such a course of action in future.

If the reports of a convoy were true, then maybe there are 61 people who achieved their aim ... at least in the short term. Does this set a risk factor of 60% on future journeys? The payments quoted .. 30,000 .. how long does it take to save that sort of money .... This will only stop when the risks outweigh the possible gains.
 
  • #935
interesting the charge of money laundering. Nothing on his facebook/insta has any sign of ill gotten wealth.

Only thing that looks out of place is the 200k property they own.

Laundering does not necessarily mean you keep all the money .. you may be a middleman taking a percentage .... and how many 25year olds do you know with that sort of house and a flashy truck ?
 
  • #936
Maybe no-one in this whole sorry saga is entirely innocent.. the poor souls who died were trying to avoid normal migration controls, for whatever reason? The people funding their trips... ditto? Those arranging the travel .. ditto.. plus any other infringements whilst avoiding the controls ? And those providing the transport .. again ditto .. The fact that this particular scenario ended so badly needs to be widely broadcast ... to make everyone involved think twice before embarking on such a course of action in future.

If the reports of a convoy were true, then maybe there are 61 people who achieved their aim ... at least in the short term. Does this set a risk factor of 60% on future journeys? The payments quoted .. 30,000 .. how long does it take to save that sort of money .... This will only stop when the risks outweigh the possible gains.

Trading people is big business for organised crimal gangs in the same way as drugs and weapons, except actual humans are being bought, sold and traded for dirty cash, they are the commodity. Desperate people will take desperate risks and there will always be people willing to exploit that. <modsnip>
 
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The whole thing is utterly tragic to me. These poor desperate people, think they're coming to the promised land to save their families back home and the reality is if they're LUCKY (and survive the trip) they get to work in nail bars, as potwash or picking bloody cockles. Someone upthread made a comment about disease control. They're not animals, needing quarantine!! We don't check tourists for disease, do we?

They're completely dehumanised, "cargo". Thank God that Essex police are focusing on their dignity and in death they will be treated with respect and care.

Meanwhile, some greedy little bunch buy bigger houses, flashy cars and pimp up their cabs.

:mad:
 
  • #940
Well said,HKP.
 
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