UK UK - Andrew Gosden, 14, Doncaster, South Yorks, 14 Sep 2007 #2

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

In September 1995, 65 year old convicted paedophile James Stewart was working as a Big Issue seller in Leicester Square.

Stewart lured a 15 year old boy (who had run away from his home in Essex that morning) to his house in Kilburn Lane, where he plied the boy with beer and whiskey, and subjected him to a brutal sex attack.

This is the same MO Dennis Nilsen used with young boys in the 80s, and what I suspect happened to Andrew. I suspect the killer or killers would have been caught if CCTV hadn't been ignored by police and wiped.

We will never know the number of missing and dead from crimes like this. Most especially in any case when these young men and women (children, in fact) were known as 'runaways' or 'troubled' or in and out of care / foster homes and lost track of.

Also anyone coming to London from another city before the days of mobile phones and CCTV, unless they had a tight knit caring family and maintained plenty of phone calls and letters could just disappear. Many people used to love the anonymity of London - if you asked people what made them come they'd say to get away from small town mentality and to feel free and to be anonymous, finding their home towns and villages boring, repressive, suffocating. It bites both ways, anonymity.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Yes I went to the aforementioned Sega World at some point in the mid 90s. Begged my Mum most days and she eventually relented as early Birthday present one Easter. As someone who was obsessed with the Mega Drive growing up in that era it certainly would be tempting for a day out if any other big space was offering that type of gaming experience in 2007.

As I've mentioned a few times there was a gamer meetup in a London public space that very weekend, sure you've seen the YT link before TRR but happy to post again if you missed it?

I actually agree he could've gone down to London at other points in Summer 2007 to meet someone and his parents would be none the wiser if he was just returning to his home from 6pm onwards.

yes please tell me where to see this link

 

[Inspector Evans]

yes please tell me where to see this link

O.k posted it a few times on her down the years but of course not every regular contributor will check this thread regularly:

According to the title this took place on Saturday 15th September 2007. Not sure on location but there are shops in the background so somewhere central.

A few comments mention Andrew as there's a kid with glasses five and a minutes in who bares a similarity so while it wasn't him it was certainly young adults of the profile of Andrew in liking gaming and music with some of the t-shirts being worn.

 

[VelvetDiamante]

The YouTube gathering theory has been debunked,

1) It was the day after he disappeared and it wouldn't make sense for him to go down there a day early.
2) People who were there would've surely remembered speaking to and hanging out with him.
3) A lot of teenage boys had a similar look at that time. There was one man in the video that was accused of being Andrew, who came forward years later to say that he was 19 at the time, with dyed black hair and was 6ft tall. Andrew was 5 ft 3 and had mousey brown hair.
4) Most importantly, Andrew didn't appear to be very interested in the internet, or have the means to spend a lot of time on it, so it's unlikely he would've been part of an obscure YouTube community.

 

[Officer Dibble]

The YouTube gathering theory has been debunked,

1) It was the day after he disappeared and it wouldn't make sense for him to go down there a day early.
2) People who were there would've surely remembered speaking to and hanging out with him.
3) A lot of teenage boys had a similar look at that time. There was one man in the video that was accused of being Andrew, who came forward years later to say that he was 19 at the time, with dyed black hair and was 6ft tall. Andrew was 5 ft 3 and had mousey brown hair.
4) Most importantly, Andrew didn't appear to be very interested in the internet, or have the means to spend a lot of time on it, so it's unlikely he would've been part of an obscure YouTube community.

Thank you

 

[Deadbeat]

Worboys drove a black cab in central London in 2007. In September 2007, he was already on bail after being arrested for sexual assault in Covent Garden in July.

His known victims were women, so Andrew doesn't really seem to fit. However, Warboys apparently had associates who filmed pornographic videos at one of his properties, so you never know...

Worboys has apparently hinted at killing Andrew to another inmate. The details are in a new book but that particular excerpt can be read below:

One ex-con told the authors Worboys had confided in him that he had “murdered a boy”.
The lag alleged: “The boy he claimed to have murdered was a young boy from up north who travelled to London.
“He was 15, had a young face and glasses. I don’t remember the name.
“Worboys said he was a hide and seek champion, too, and referred to the missing boy. Him and his mate in Bournemouth, Dave, did the boy.
“I left it and thought nothing of it, then it came on TV about the missing boy, a cold case. I saw it.
"Worboys referred to it again and said that was his case. Brown and Worboys are from the same area and slept with the same prostitutes. They both knew each other.
“Brown never said he was involved, but with Worboys, there is a massive dark side.”

https://archive.ph/2025.06.20-204455/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35498675/baby-p-killer-steven-barker-belmarsh-prison/

 

[infohuntah]

Worboys has apparently hinted at killing Andrew to another inmate. The details are in a new book but that particular excerpt can be read below:

One ex-con told the authors Worboys had confided in him that he had “murdered a boy”.
The lag alleged: “The boy he claimed to have murdered was a young boy from up north who travelled to London.
“He was 15, had a young face and glasses. I don’t remember the name.
“Worboys said he was a hide and seek champion, too, and referred to the missing boy. Him and his mate in Bournemouth, Dave, did the boy.
“I left it and thought nothing of it, then it came on TV about the missing boy, a cold case. I saw it.
"Worboys referred to it again and said that was his case. Brown and Worboys are from the same area and slept with the same prostitutes. They both knew each other.
“Brown never said he was involved, but with Worboys, there is a massive dark side.”

https://archive.ph/2025.06.20-204455/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35498675/baby-p-killer-steven-barker-belmarsh-prison/

I've followed this case off and on and this (sadly) seems the most plausible explanation. I've always thought he'd have likely got into a cab after leaving the train station. And whilst I haven't read this particular article before now, it fits. And I don't think it's confirmation bias, I think logically it does seem to fit like a glove.

But why go to London in the first place without informing anyone? Was there someone posing as a teenage boy (or girl) online and he arranged to meet them? It seems quite unlikely (at least to me) that he'd go down to spend time in London alone.

I wonder if police ever followed up on any of this? The only thing that doesn't make sense to me, is that Worboys' victims were female. Why the change of MO? Why target a teenage boy?

A lot about this case makes no sense. I often wonder if there's a significant amount more information that police have but haven't made public.

 

[Deadbeat]

I wonder if police ever followed up on any of this? The only thing that doesn't make sense to me, is that Worboys' victims were female. Why the change of MO? Why target a teenage boy?

It is definitely a change of MO but the book did also state Worboys openly admitted he was bisexual. Andrew also went missing from central London the same month his friend Derek Brown was abducting vulnerable females from those same streets.


From the same book:
“One ex-inmate had more recent information on his fate, alleging that, 'Since getting another life sentence he is in a bad way, thin and aged and lost it at Wakefield. My friend has just been to Wakefield with John. John openly admits he's bisexual. He has been for years.'”

 

[ChatteringBirds]

This would be the worst possible outcome. I hope and pray it isn't what happened.

I can't even imagine how it would have happened unless Andrew thought he was getting into a legitimate taxi. But I hope Andrew was the kind of teen who only felt comfortable with trains and buses -- public transport-- and that whatever did happen, it wasn't the worst.

 

[Inspector Evans]

Worboys has apparently hinted at killing Andrew to another inmate. The details are in a new book but that particular excerpt can be read below:

One ex-con told the authors Worboys had confided in him that he had “murdered a boy”.
The lag alleged: “The boy he claimed to have murdered was a young boy from up north who travelled to London.
“He was 15, had a young face and glasses. I don’t remember the name.
“Worboys said he was a hide and seek champion, too, and referred to the missing boy. Him and his mate in Bournemouth, Dave, did the boy.
“I left it and thought nothing of it, then it came on TV about the missing boy, a cold case. I saw it.
"Worboys referred to it again and said that was his case. Brown and Worboys are from the same area and slept with the same prostitutes. They both knew each other.
“Brown never said he was involved, but with Worboys, there is a massive dark side.”

https://archive.ph/2025.06.20-204455/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35498675/baby-p-killer-steven-barker-belmarsh-prison/

Mentioned this months back.

There was a Dave in the papers a few weeks back talking about Worboys.

"John Warboys Sunday People" gives the article on pressreader from Sunday 21st December for those who want to read it.

I do think this could well have been the fate for Andrew. Getting in unmarked car or transport vehicle in London and quickly realising this wouldn't be a good ending with who he encountered.

However no known Male victims of John Warboys so far so could just be him bragging and trying to connect himself to mysterious disappearance?

 

[Deadbeat]

This would be the worst possible outcome. I hope and pray it isn't what happened.

I can't even imagine how it would have happened unless Andrew thought he was getting into a legitimate taxi. But I hope Andrew was the kind of teen who only felt comfortable with trains and buses -- public transport-- and that whatever did happen, it wasn't the worst.

I suppose we have to take this admission from Worboys with a grain of salt. He could just be making it up for some strange reason. We don’t even know for a fact he said it either. It appears to be second hand information from another inmate.

This is SOMETHING new though in a case with so little to go on I guess. It is plausible that he got into a cab after arriving at Kings Cross too.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Although why would Andrew get into a taxi?

I don't think he would have taken a cab somewhere he could get to in the city by bus or train. A teen wouldn't do that; they would just take the bus. Plus he had limited funds.

However IF he wanted to go somewhere not easily reached by public transportation, then perhaps?

Or at the end of his day, if he was running late and was not going to make it to the last train home without using a taxi to get back to King's Cross quickly, then perhaps?

Or if he was offered a "free" ride to a different part of London, then perhaps? (But I doubt this scenario. I think he would have said, "no thanks.")

 

[Inspector Evans]

Although why would Andrew get into a taxi?

I don't think he would have taken a cab somewhere he could get to in the city by bus or train. A teen wouldn't do that; they would just take the bus. Plus he had limited funds.

However IF he wanted to go somewhere not easily reached by public transportation, then perhaps?

Or at the end of his day, if he was running late and was not going to make it to the last train home without using a taxi to get back to King's Cross quickly, then perhaps?

Or if he was offered a "free" ride to a different part of London, then perhaps? (But I doubt this scenario. I think he would have said, "no thanks.")

If he wasn't going back to Doncaster that night where was he going? And how was he getting there as not like every single part of London has a tube spot (South of the Thames).

I think that could be key. He's looking around for a vehicle to get him somewhere else and it pulls up and he gets in with the money he has which was clearly withdrawn to pay for something that day.