Found Deceased UK - Anthony Knott, 33, last seen at a pub in Lewes, Sussex, 20 Dec 2019 #2

[hitthenick]

This is a really helpful post, thanks. I have attached some map views from Lewes to Newhaven for reference. There's a hell of a lot of watercourse between the two and I'm familiar with the flood plains around there and over Seaford way (not relevant here).

I was going to post this earlier but don't pretend to have any expertise in this, so I'll defer to you! I also feel it's unlikely he made it into the bay past the marina.

But I still feel it's most likely he went in. So where is he?

Yes the river and the area has lots of tiny waterways especially around the campsite, like water ditches, I doubt he'd be anywhere near those but you never know, he could have got lost, fell in a ditch and didn't come out and yet to be discovered.

I sincerely doubt he would have made it out to sea from Lewes if he ended up in the Ouse regardless of the weather or floods.

If you think about it, there's still many outstanding missing person cases throughout the UK, people disappeared into thin air never to have been seen again. Although in todays world with CCTV etc being fairly common, it's still highly possible to evade CCTV either knowingly, willingly, by mistake or just pure luck. Some CCTV cameras move on a rotation and therefore aren't focused on one spot 24/7 making it that bit easier for a person to be missed on camera while it points elsewhere.

Where is he? We're all assuming that all is well with Anthony and his intention was to go home, but there's also the other side of the coin with quite a few different options for what has happened. No arrests we know about in connection with his disappearance and no evidence he came to harm from what we know about.

Still a wide open investigation on the face of it it seems.

 

[Tortoise]

First time I’ve seen this image and I have to say does look incredibly like AK, his capped friend and the girl smoking with them outside pub. What time was this and who originally posted the image? Strange it’s been taken down .

This footage was discussed in thread 1. And this was how it concluded -

Just saw a comment from AK's sister in law on Lewes Present fb that this is not him. The comment is under a post made by a poster with initial LB 8 hours ago. The "not him" was posted one hour ago.

UK - UK - Anthony Knott, 33, last seen at a pub in Lewes, Sussex, 20 Dec 2019

 

[JosieJo]

This footage was discussed in thread 1. And this was how it concluded -


UK - UK - Anthony Knott, 33, last seen at a pub in Lewes, Sussex, 20 Dec 2019

It was yes ..its the one that still bothers me personally not sure why

 

[guiser]

This is a really helpful post, thanks. I have attached some map views from Lewes to Newhaven for reference. There's a hell of a lot of watercourse between the two and I'm familiar with the flood plains around there and over Seaford way (not relevant here).

I was going to post this earlier but don't pretend to have any expertise in this, so I'll defer to you! I also feel it's unlikely he made it into the bay past the marina.

But I still feel it's most likely he went in. So where is he?

Once the Ouse passes under the A27 it passes through basically uninhabited farmland for 6 or 7 miles till it reaches Piddinghoe, where there's a tiny village and little sailing activity.

Though the riverbank is fairly clear of vegetation, the map shows three 'strands' of river, the outside strands being indicators of how the river expands when swollen (I won't say flooded because it extends much further on occasion) and this is marked by trees, hedgerows and the like.
(I'm sure you know all this, but it might help anyone who doesn't).

I know the entire stretch has been searched, perhaps several times, but maybe it's still possible that a previously submerged body could have floated up into that undergrowth after the searches had been done.
I don't know, I'm not an expert.
But I doubt many people have walked along the entire length of the river since the searching stopped.

 

[Eve71]

This footage was discussed in thread 1. And this was how it concluded -


UK - UK - Anthony Knott, 33, last seen at a pub in Lewes, Sussex, 20 Dec 2019

Thank you. I missed it. Very odd, I’d swear that’s them. I guess whoever it is possibly came forward.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yes the river and the area has lots of tiny waterways especially around the campsite, like water ditches, I doubt he'd be anywhere near those but you never know, he could have got lost, fell in a ditch and didn't come out and yet to be discovered.

I sincerely doubt he would have made it out to sea from Lewes if he ended up in the Ouse regardless of the weather or floods.

If you think about it, there's still many outstanding missing person cases throughout the UK, people disappeared into thin air never to have been seen again. Although in todays world with CCTV etc being fairly common, it's still highly possible to evade CCTV either knowingly, willingly, by mistake or just pure luck. Some CCTV cameras move on a rotation and therefore aren't focused on one spot 24/7 making it that bit easier for a person to be missed on camera while it points elsewhere.

Where is he? We're all assuming that all is well with Anthony and his intention was to go home, but there's also the other side of the coin with quite a few different options for what has happened. No arrests we know about in connection with his disappearance and no evidence he came to harm from what we know about.

Still a wide open investigation on the face of it it seems.

That's the same question his family asks every day. How do you just disappear off the face of the earth... How do you go anywhere without appearing on CCTV these days? They say LE have reviewed all available video and he is just not seen. We only have to scroll through the list of missing people on this site , dozens of pages , to see it happens every day. Although it is still an active investigation unless they have definitive leads I am not sure LE can do much more. Like most public servants, each one is probably trying to do the job of 2 or 3 people. Maybe a private investigator can contribute something...

 

[Eve71]

It was yes ..its the one that still bothers me personally not sure why

‘Agree, even though it’s been dismissed, it has made wonder too.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Once the Ouse passes under the A27 it passes through basically uninhabited farmland for 6 or 7 miles till it reaches Piddinghoe, where there's a tiny village and little sailing activity.

Though the riverbank is fairly clear of vegetation, the map shows three 'strands' of river, the outside strands being indicators of how the river expands when swollen (I won't say flooded because it extends much further on occasion) and this is marked by trees, hedgerows and the like.
(I'm sure you know all this, but it might help anyone who doesn't).

I know the entire stretch has been searched, perhaps several times, but maybe it's still possible that a previously submerged body could have floated up into that undergrowth after the searches had been done.
I don't know, I'm not an expert.
But I doubt many people have walked along the entire length of the river since the searching stopped.

I think if he were my family member I would do some drone searches of those areas now the floods have subsided.

 

[guiser]

Drones?
You could walk it easy enough.
Lots of people do as it's a beautiful walk, but probably not many in cold, wet, miserable January and apart from recreational walking, there's not much reason to go down there.

 

[Ann Blyth]

Hitthenick said “If you think about it, there's still many outstanding missing person cases throughout the UK, people disappeared into thin air never to have been seen again. Although in todays world with CCTV etc being fairly common, it's still highly possible to evade CCTV either knowingly, willingly, by mistake or just pure luck. Some CCTV cameras move on a rotation and therefore aren't focused on one spot 24/7 making it that bit easier for a person to be missed on camera while it points elsewhere.

Where is he? We're all assuming that all is well with Anthony and his intention was to go home, but there's also the other side of the coin with quite a few different options for what has happened. No arrests we know about in connection with his disappearance and no evidence he came to harm from what we know about.

Still a wide open investigation on the face of it it seems.”

So very true, I have personal knowledge on a long time missing friend on here since 2011, where someone was tried and convicted of murder down here, and still no trace nearly nine years later.

also thanks to you and your ilk that carry out such an important and dangerous job day in, day out.

 

[LewesLady]

Very popular walk, i doubt he would be laying riverside unseen even at this time of the year.

 

[MingyMoo]

Well he left the Lamb, within minutes his phone ither ran out of power or was switched off. The two positive albeit not very comforting to those nearest and dearest are.

1. It was switched off or ran out of battery very shortly after he left the Lamb
2. He was seen alive via video after the phone ran out of battery or was switched off

Dont forget that the outside beer garden or back or smokers area of the Lamb can actually be entered via the top of Market Lane. It also has CCTV. as shown on Google Maps

Market Lane The Lamb

No other thoughts just pondering.

MingyMoo

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Catching up, enjoying the many thought provoking and interesting posts today.

I find it odd that his mates were all apparently so hammered that not one of them could remember anything about him leaving, or why. I don't say this to cast shade on them as they must be having a dreadful time of it. More to suggest it isn't quite the case, but it's what has been put out in the public domain for some reason (by other parties). Pure speculation on my part.

 

[hitthenick]

That's the same question his family asks every day. How do you just disappear off the face of the earth... How do you go anywhere without appearing on CCTV these days? They say LE have reviewed all available video and he is just not seen. We only have to scroll through the list of missing people on this site , dozens of pages , to see it happens every day. Although it is still an active investigation unless they have definitive leads I am not sure LE can do much more. Like most public servants, each one is probably trying to do the job of 2 or 3 people. Maybe a private investigator can contribute something...

Consider this, he went missing in Lewes, 2 weeks ago or so, he has been on the news a couple of times too and in the press.

However, lets say he is in Bristol for example, how many people in Bristol would recognise him in the street? None I'd say and I don't think I'd expect him to be walking past me in Chester either. Although press coverage was busy a week ago, I really doubt any normal person uninvolved in this via this site or social media would even recognise him. He could blend in very easily if he wanted to away from Lewes and other areas he would be known in, change of clothes, some stubble or shave his head and it is as easy as that.

Also, dont forget CCTV all round the UK won't be looking for him either, just Lewes. Once he's out of town he can be lying low anywhere at all and even easier with a bit of assistance. Which leads me on to the money situation, he couldn't survive for long anonymously without cash or access to it.

It does seem that the Police can only collect CCTV and study it further but the other thing is is how long would they be prepared to spend in man hours doing this? Although he is just one of 100's of missing people currently in the UK, I feel he will just become another unsolved statistic. The police haven't got the answers to everything and we all must remember that. Hard to decide if he is alive or dead but it does point to him not being alive more than it does him being alive.

Not sure a private investigator can do much here except make a load of money and come up with nothing, it's not like they will go out searching the woods or the river, they'd only likely gather CCTV at best. The Mckeague Mother tried a PI and look what happened there, it was an absolute mess and those were alleged to be some sort of ' experts' that took 14k and gave back a compact disc full of facebook comments and such.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Consider this, he went missing in Lewes, 2 weeks ago or so, he has been on the news a couple of times too and in the press.

However, lets say he is in Bristol for example, how many people in Bristol would recognise him in the street? None I'd say and I don't think I'd expect him to be walking past me in Chester either. Although press coverage was busy a week ago, I really doubt any normal person uninvolved in this via this site or social media would even recognise him. He could blend in very easily if he wanted to away from Lewes and other areas he would be known in, change of clothes, some stubble or shave his head and it is as easy as that.

Also, dont forget CCTV all round the UK won't be looking for him either, just Lewes. Once he's out of town he can be lying low anywhere at all and even easier with a bit of assistance. Which leads me on to the money situation, he couldn't survive for long anonymously without cash or access to it.

It does seem that the Police can only collect CCTV and study it further but the other thing is is how long would they be prepared to spend in man hours doing this? Although he is just one of 100's of missing people currently in the UK, I feel he will just become another unsolved statistic. The police haven't got the answers to everything and we all must remember that. Hard to decide if he is alive or dead but it does point to him not being alive more than it does him being alive.

Not sure a private investigator can do much here except make a load of money and come up with nothing, it's not like they will go out searching the woods or the river, they'd only likely gather CCTV at best. The Mckeague Mother tried a PI and look what happened there, it was an absolute mess and those were alleged to be some sort of ' experts' that took 14k and gave back a compact disc full of facebook comments and such.

That's sad. I was thinking more from the voluntary disappearance aspect, maybe they could be of help tracking him down if that is the case. If I were his family I might feel like doing something is better than doing nothing? What they are going through is agony.

 

[hitthenick]

That's sad. I was thinking more from the voluntary disappearance aspect, maybe they could be of help tracking him down if that is the case. If I were his family I might feel like doing something is better than doing nothing? What they are going through is agony.

Yes I'm sure all of them are having a horrid time amidst this.

I am a little suspicious of the use of a PI. To me and it is only a theory, I feel for them to want to use a PI, that they think he may have gone missing on purpose, not for the PI to locate a body which is the Police's and the search and rescue people's job. I just can't see how a PI would be of use. I do know a private investigator personally so I'll brief him and try to get an insight from his point of view and see what he says. Might take a day or so that though.

I mentioned this earlier today, about the programme Hunted. those people who are on the show appear to have access to some remarkable technology regarding mobile phones, tracking them in and out of areas. I would be very interested to see them map out every single phone in that area of the town centre and try and come up with an algorithm to potentially find an unusual number or two, maybe a a couple of burner phones - I am only thinking if AK used a different number or phone and someone else assisted him doing the same with another phone.

 

[Miss_French]

I mentioned this earlier today, about the programme Hunted. those people who are on the show appear to have access to some remarkable technology regarding mobile phones, tracking them in and out of areas. I would be very interested to see them map out every single phone in that area of the town centre and try and come up with an algorithm to potentially find an unusual number or two, maybe a a couple of burner phones - I am only thinking if AK used a different number or phone and someone else assisted him doing the same with another phone.

Not that remarkable, there's easy ways of tracking phones through GPS and there's that disclaimer of what they 'replicate' on Hunted. If they could map every phone number in an area they would have more legal powers than the police! Not even LE are allowed to access every number on a cell mast. There are a small number of officers on each force that can ask for info on specific mobile numbers (victims, witness, suspect) from a provider and in some cases the provider will request a warrant for this to be done.

 

[hitthenick]

Not that remarkable, there's easy ways of tracking phones through GPS and there's that disclaimer of what they 'replicate' on Hunted. If they could map every phone number in an area they would have more legal powers than the police! Not even LE are allowed to access every number on a cell mast. There are a small number of officers on each force that can ask for info on specific mobile numbers (victims, witness, suspect) from a provider and in some cases the provider will request a warrant for this to be done.

Yes, I did say " those people who are on the show appear to have access to some remarkable technology " - the word APPEAR being a keyword in my statement.

 

[Ruthbullock]

‘apart from the different clothes, she’s very like the woman stood with AK and cap man outside the pub earlier. She could have changed her clothing at some point. It’s a remarkable coincidence the 3 of them looking so alike the earlier group.

The woman outside chatting with them had posted on the CCTV footage that it was her and she chatted about nothing much, but she identified herself to the family. You would assume they have seen both lots of footage, I never saw the footage myself only your still and agree it looks remarkably similar. Wonder if the timings were out and it was much earlier in the day, hence it being deleted.

 

[Eve71]

Yes I'm sure all of them are having a horrid time amidst this.

I am a little suspicious of the use of a PI. To me and it is only a theory, I feel for them to want to use a PI, that they think he may have gone missing on purpose, not for the PI to locate a body which is the Police's and the search and rescue people's job. I just can't see how a PI would be of use. I do know a private investigator personally so I'll brief him and try to get an insight from his point of view and see what he says. Might take a day or so that though.

I mentioned this earlier today, about the programme Hunted. those people who are on the show appear to have access to some remarkable technology regarding mobile phones, tracking them in and out of areas. I would be very interested to see them map out every single phone in that area of the town centre and try and come up with an algorithm to potentially find an unusual number or two, maybe a a couple of burner phones - I am only thinking if AK used a different number or phone and someone else assisted him doing the same with another phone.

agree, I don’t think the PI can do much more than what’s already been done. The chances of him doing a disappearing act are almost ziltch, imo and that’s the only way a PI could maybe help in this case. I did read that the PI will only happen if there are funds left after L has taken what she needs from the fund....found that bit odd....