Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #2 *M. Bridger guilty*

[stacemcace]

I don't really get how they can have enough evidence to get a murder conviction when she's only been missing for a week and no body?

Its more than likely forensic evidence, they must have enough to say she is no longer alive. So sad and heartbreaking to say that

 

[Clutchbag]

Perverting the course of justice : fabricating or disposing of evidence, threatening a witness, juror, judge IIRC

He is charged with attempting to pervert course of justice, so does that mean he tried to do one of the above but didnt succeed? I wonder if he was the man seen at the bank with the bin bags and they found something incrimimating in them

 

[josie1986]

like i said before,perverting the course of justice can be hiding body which IMO is why hes been charged with this.

we are well within our rights here to say "no comment" or nothing at all during police interviews and cannot be charged with perverting the course of justice in doing do

 

[Clio]

I understand the shock and grief, but police do not charge with murder this early on in a missing persons case if they believe the victim could be alive. A murder without a body case generally takes months or years for charges to come, without proof that the person is deceased.

And even more so in the case of a very young child where e.g. mobile phone records, financial transactions etc ceasing might be used in an adult case. Whatever they've got, they are sure she's no longer alive. And whatever it is, they found it last Thursday night imho

 

[jigzy]

Perverting the course of justice could mean so many things: maybe once arrested pretending to cooperate and give focus to a particular location, being seen with a bin bag in that location when suspecting the LE were onto him to divert attention away from the real location, maybe spreading the word of a white van to take attention away from his vehicle. Who knows :/

 

[opalsqueak63]

Perverting the course of justice

I dug out my LLB law text books and this is what it says:

"Perverting the course of justice can be any of these three acts: fabricating or disposing of evidence, attempts to intimidate a witness or juror, or providing testimony that misleads the authorities in their investigations. It is also considered criminal to conspire with another to pervert the course of justice or to intend to do so."

 

[Marilynilpa]

Perverting the course of justice : fabricating or disposing of evidence, threatening a witness, juror, judge IIRC

He is charged with attempting to pervert course of justice, so does that mean he tried to do one of the above but didnt succeed? I wonder if he was the man seen at the bank with the bin bags and they found something incrimimating in them

I wonder if this charge could arise from him providing false information to officials, such as lying about his whereabouts, etc.?

I tend to think, though, that this charge is related to MB's hiding April and/or disposing of April's body.

ETA: opalsqueak63, I just read your above post. Thanks for providing a definitive answer.

 

[jigzy]

I think in the timescale given there was ample opportunity to move evidence well out of the area to a much greater distance, and more remote, than that which has been searched currently, but ONLY if a capable vehicle was available. Not even the most moronic idiot would snatch a child in a faulty vehicle, which leads me to question the reports about his erratic driving on Monday evening being related to his gear/ clutch/ whatever mechanical problems. I think the vehicle problems were unexpected the next morning when he was leaving his home in a hurry, hence a more local disposal. The searches seem to be focused on Afon Dulas north of the Dyfi. Jmo.

 

[jigzy]

Midweek the searches switched to 15 or so local villages. Many of my friends searched and provided food, etc. A huge effort was refocused. Maybe the move of focus was a result of him perverting the course of justice and sending people off in the wrong direction. Jmo.

 

[Insp.Dots]

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/perverting_the_course_of_justice_-_rape_and_dv_allegations/

I wonder if he is 'covering' for another person involved. It can mean a life sentence just for that.....Also there have been several mentions of an attemped abduction an hour north of Mach, where a man and woman attempted to get two kids in there car also purported to be a landrover.

 

[ami]

I don't really get how they can have enough evidence to get a murder conviction when she's only been missing for a week and no body?

I don't want to get gruesome, but there are quite few ways they could find presumptive evidence that someone was murdered without finding the body itself.

 

[mikeymot]

The police have said they're looking for a body. I don't know what else you want them to say? They've charged someone with murder....

No idea what the statistics are of people initially charged with murder...and then released but...think it may be quite a lot. Maybe I am the eternal optimist but...I don't WANT them to say anything...other than they have categoric proof that this poor child is dead.

 

[opalsqueak63]

Midweek the searches switched to 15 or so local villages. Many of my friends searched and provided food, etc. A huge effort was refocused. Maybe the move of focus was a result of him perverting the course of justice and sending people off in the wrong direction. Jmo.

Interesting.

And to go off topic for a moment, the local people seem to have been really wonderful. What a terrible shame that this has happened to April. Until we heard the charges, I was sort of hoping there might be the tiniest chance April was alive. I don't think so now. The whole thing is just unthinkable.

 

[mikeymot]

I think in the timescale given there was ample opportunity to move evidence well out of the area to a much greater distance, and more remote, than that which has been searched currently, but ONLY if a capable vehicle was available. Not even the most moronic idiot would snatch a child in a faulty vehicle, which leads me to question the reports about his erratic driving on Monday evening being related to his gear/ clutch/ whatever mechanical problems. I think the vehicle problems were unexpected the next morning when he was leaving his home in a hurry, hence a more local disposal. The searches seem to be focused on Afon Dulas north of the Dyfi. Jmo.

Yes, fully agree...but saddened from the start that, once it was established that April had been abducted.(7.30pm) roadblocks were set up from 8pm. All roadblocks were then, reportedly, removed at midnight. Hopefully, the police had good reason to do this but....I, personally, feel that those roadblocks should have remained in place for a lot longer. If someone was taking her out of the county...they what if they were bringing her back?

 

[jigzy]

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/perverting_the_course_of_justice_-_rape_and_dv_allegations/

I wonder if he is 'covering' for another person involved. It can mean a life sentence just for that.....Also there have been several mentions of an attemped abduction an hour north of Mach, where a man and woman attempted to get two kids in there car also purported to be a landrover.

This was debunked apparently. Maybe someone else has been sending people off in the wrong direction too

 

[opalsqueak63]

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/perverting_the_course_of_justice_-_rape_and_dv_allegations/

I wonder if he is 'covering' for another person involved. It can mean a life sentence just for that.....Also there have been several mentions of an attemped abduction an hour north of Mach, where a man and woman attempted to get two kids in there car also purported to be a landrover.

That story has been utterly debunked by the police. Sorry but I don't have time to find all the media links for you now but here is one http://www.wrexham.com/news/minera-abduction-attempt-debunked-12814.html

The police did say that people should not forward this myth onto others in any way.

 

[Inge Jones]

maybe he *did* bribe the 7yr old to say it was a white van, like some of us half-seriously suggested a while ago to explain why she got the color so wrong.

 

[mikeymot]

Jackie Roberts, the chief constable of Dyfed-Powys police, said: "Now that Mark Bridger has been charged with this horrific crime it is time to let the judicial process take its course and time to let the family come to terms with what has happened in the last week.

I only hope that the police have given much more information to this poor childs' family, than the rest of us, to convince them that they will never see their daughter alive again.

 

[Clutchbag]

maybe he *did* bribe the 7yr old to say it was a white van, like some of us half-seriously suggested a while ago to explain why she got the color so wrong.

Even if it were true, once the whole of uk's eyes were on the case I would have thought the child wouldnt be able to keep it from their parents, also police surely would have picked up on a child lying

 

[dandan08]

I believe the Perfect the course of justice charge is that he has tried disposing of evidence. Also in a lot of cases the charge is disposing of evidence by concealing a body, but there is no body in this case yet...

My guess is LE have found evidence hidden somewhere, maybe buried, burnt, and then brought this extra charge on him.

Actually I've just thought whilst typing this. Wasn't his Land Rover found at a local garage? Who sends their car/van to be repaired a day after abducting a child? Could he have been trying to get rid of evidence this way, not sure how, but that could be a reason for the charge...