Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Clutchbag]

Not a crime but an indicator of his character.

Millions of people around the world lie, for all sorts of reasons, many good ones, sometimes for a joke, being a liar on its own is never an indication of a murderer

 

[Clutchbag]

I don't think it was a criticism, more to say That him 'pretending' to people he'd been in war zones wasn't a nice thing to do!:blushing:

Well, long as it never harmed anyone i dont see it as a massive deal

 

[Clutchbag]

Oh, i've missed that, anymore info or a link plz?

see post 664

 

[LegallyBrunette]

impersonating? wasnt aware he impersonated anyone.

Flash or not, its not a crime to say you are ex army as its not a crime lying on your cv or lying to impress a girlfriend etc etc

I don't know about the UK, but it is an offence in Australia (impersonating a veteran).
Lying on a CV may be an offence depending on the lie.

 

[Adorabella]

His sister's boyfriend has

Isn't this the exact problem MB faces (and therefore justice faces), when someone makes a comment (and we have no idea of their agenda, nor can it currently be refuted or explained) and suddenly it becomes fact or at least it has a bearing on how people see someone.

Maybe MB is a fantasist - doesn't make him guilty of this crime.
Maybe MB is a womaniser - doesn't make him guilty of this crime.
Maybe MB had numerous jobs - doesn't make him guilty of this crime.
Maybe MB worked in an abattoir - doesn't make him guilty of this crime.
Maybe MB had loads of empty alcohol containers - doesn't make him guilty of this crime.

Nor do any of the above make him innocent.

The point is it IS interesting that so many people, on so many forums, and in my own circle of friends, feel that something about this case just doesn't smell right.

It's not a question of innocent or guilty - it's that the pieces (as we know them) do not fit together. One car description one day, a different one the next...and so on.

Unfortunately, we are all human and the people that we most look up to and expect/ hope to behave appropriately and honestly do not always do that.

Clutchbag posted a link from the BBC the other day about how certain police forces were known to not be as straight forward (ahem) as others and we all know about the reports of weapons of mass destruction etc....so, I am going to keep an open mind and try to only focus on what we know to be absolutely true - and as yet, there is very little actual factual information available.

 

[bijoux]

The Judge at Crown Court commented to the prosecution that 'matters may develop'.

I thought that was a significant comment: "Matters may develop."
Develop from existing evidence, develop if and when they find AJ's body, or does the comment mean something else?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

It doesnt really apropos my post

So the CPS isn't enough to convince you that it isn't a conspiracy with the police for whatever reason?

 

[Clutchbag]

I don't know about the UK, but it is an offence in Australia (impersonating a veteran).
Lying on a CV may be an offence depending on the lie.

I dont think there is such an offence, again, he hasnt impersonated anybody, and even if he did does not point to much imo

 

[Clutchbag]

So the CPS isn't enough to convince you that it isn't a conspiracy with the police for whatever reason?

Please point me to any of my posts where I said this was a police conspiracy

All I said and if you had read my previous post properly, is that police can get it wrong, which is a proven fact, and on rare occasions they do fit people up, happens all over the world, though these days its alot rarer

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I thought that was a significant comment: "Matters may develop."
Develop from existing evidence, develop if and when they find AJ's body, or does the comment mean something else?

I think it means what it says on face value - though the Judge wants to set a trial date for the earliest possible time due to child witnesses, he acknowledges that the prosecution need time to complete the brief of evidence, enquiries are continuing - and the search for AJ.
Once prosecution brief is complete it is given to defence and they also must have time to prepare their case.

 

[Clutchbag]

Isn't this the exact problem MB faces (and therefore justice faces), when someone makes a comment (and we have no idea of their agenda, nor can it currently be refuted or explained) and suddenly it becomes fact or at least it has a bearing on how people see someone.

Maybe MB is a fantasist - doesn't make him guilty of this crime.
Maybe MB is a womaniser - doesn't make him guilty of this crime.
Maybe MB had numerous jobs - doesn't make him guilty of this crime.
Maybe MB worked in an abattoir - doesn't make him guilty of this crime.
Maybe MB had loads of empty alcohol containers - doesn't make him guilty of this crime.

Nor do any of the above make him innocent.

The point is it IS interesting that so many people, on so many forums, and in my own circle of friends, feel that something about this case just doesn't smell right.

It's not a question of innocent or guilty - it's that the pieces (as we know them) do not fit together. One car description one day, a different one the next...and so on.

Unfortunately, we are all human and the people that we most look up to and expect/ hope to behave appropriately and honestly do not always do that.

Clutchbag posted a link from the BBC the other day about how certain police forces were known to not be as straight forward (ahem) as others and we all know about the reports of weapons of mass destruction etc....so, I am going to keep an open mind and try to only focus on what we know to be absolutely true - and as yet, there is very little actual factual information available.

All those points could describe thousands and thousands of normal people, hardly a worthy profile of a murdering paedophile. In fact it is very very poor and desperate straw clutching imo which means no one has anything on him whatsoever but the media and a n others involved have hung drawn and quartered him before any trial, or evidence, shocking, and dark ages behaviour

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I dont think there is such an offence, again, he hasnt impersonated anybody, and even if he did does not point to much imo

It doesn't mean he's pretending to be another persona, it means he is pretending to be a war veteran. In my view it means a lot, to pretend to be a Special Services vet, not even a regular digger, is disrespectful to genuine vets who are out there risking their lives and not always coming home unscathed.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

All those points could describe thousands and thousands of normal people, hardly a worthy profile of a murdering paedophile.

Who here has accused him of being a paedophile?

And if all those points describe hundreds of thousands, I'm glad I don't know any of them.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

I thought that was a significant comment: "Matters may develop."
Develop from existing evidence, develop if and when they find AJ's body, or does the comment mean something else?

I may have fish and chips tomorrow, or may be not.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I may have fish and chips tomorrow, or may be not.

Bet you will, it's Friday

 

[PADDYWHACK]

It doesn't mean he's pretending to be another persona, it means he is pretending to be a war veteran. In my view it means a lot, to pretend to be a Special Services vet, not even a regular digger, is disrespectful to genuine vets who are out there risking their lives and not always coming home unscathed.

Disrespectful yes, but we have no proof he has ever done, or said such a thing. I've always found that men who are lucky with the ladies have a jealous male following.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

Bet you will, it's Friday

True, although I haven't had a nice piece of fresh roe for ages

 

[Clutchbag]

It doesn't mean he's pretending to be another persona, it means he is pretending to be a war veteran. In my view it means a lot, to pretend to be a Special Services vet, not even a regular digger, is disrespectful to genuine vets who are out there risking their lives and not always coming home unscathed.

being disrespectful to veterans, which is arguable here by just saying he served there, if we are to believe paper reports, is still not a criminal offence or any pointer to murder

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Disrespectful yes, but we have no proof he has ever done, or said such a thing. I've always found that men who are lucky with the ladies have a jealous male following.

His sister's boyfriend is jealous? Give me a break. And MB has hardly been 'lucky with the ladies', he may have had a lot of girlfriends, but look where he was a few weeks ago. It's more sad than to be envied.


THE April Jones murder suspect is the son of a former royal protection officer who guarded the Queen Mother.

Mark Bridger’s father Graham, 71, spent nearly 30 years in the Met Police.

Maurice Hartigan — the boyfriend of Bridger’s sister Karen, 48 — said: “His old man was a serving copper.

“He used to escort the Queen Mum around.”

Mr Hartigan, 70, claimed Bridger was a fantasist.

He said: “Mark told me he was in Special Forces and was in Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s never been in the Army.”

Bridger, 46, grew up in Croydon, South London.

But Graham and mum Pamela, 69, later moved to East Sussex.

After Bridger went to Wales, they rarely saw him



Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...e-April-Jones-murder-probe.html#ixzz29fvhkSjL

 

[Insp.Dots]

see post 664

Thanks, he certainly doesn't praise him does he, but then again if he was estranged from the family he possibly hasn't seen him for years?

I am surprised that no-one that knows him in Mach seems to be saying anything, even on FB.
Most of the negative comments come from people he'd never met!
I'm sure as we keep saying it will all come out after the trial!! :banghead: