UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020

[nothinonyou]

The "shower thing" was doubly cruel as it was claustrophobic!

I don't remember reading about the shower, do you have a link?

 

[Dotta]

I don't remember reading about the shower, do you have a link?

Read DM summary I sent.

 

[ScottishSam]

Out of interest the other night I measured 34g of salt into a highball glass. Which is the minimum bolus Arthur was forced to ingest prior to his 'collapse'. It filled almost a quarter of the glass. I had a sip, there is NO way he wasn't aware of what was in his cup or food (which has already been agreed in court) . So i think it must have been poured into his mouth. His salt level remained off the scale for hours after his hospital admission.
Tobias Jarman observed Arthur swaying on the spot, 'like he needed a toilet', but ET and TH wouldn't let him use the toilet because they thought it was an excuse for a seat. I remember earlier in the court case Arthur said he needed a pee, but ET said he'd have to wait because she was busy. Poor wee man, every type of torture imaginable was inflicted on him

 

[Tinksx]

You know, the Pandemic caused us all much suffering, but the most detrimental effects (apart from the families which lost their loved ones), were for victims of domestic abuse.

Can you imagine being locked with your tormentor/s for 24/7?

Some abusers indulged in alcohol while not working (on furlough) staying at home.

Psychologists and therapists raised the loud alarm.

Sadly, Arthur was also a victim of this terrible time.

Good health to everyone!

This 100%! Domestic violence is something very close to my heart.

Domestic abuse and child abuse are both “hidden” issues and crimes. The majority of perpetrators are someone the victim loves and trusts, to all outward appearances and social media posts, families look happy, relationships look picturesque. Victims of both these crimes, tend to feel shame and blame themselves for this happening to them. They also have the belief that if they fix this/try harder/do better, they’re abuser will stop abusing them and “love” them again.

sometimes, the only lifelines for people/children in these situations was work/school. Covid struck and lockdowns hit and these victims stayed trapped 24/7 with their abusers.

There is written evidence that DV and CA escalated exponentially during the lockdown period and believe me when I say, home is not always a safe haven for everyone. Home can be your prison.

Most people look forward to coming home and settling down in front of the telly, or cosying up with a good book. Not for victims. And as we’ve seen with Arthur, home consisted of a cold concrete floor, 14 hours a day of facing a door, being screamed and shouted at and dragged around was his only human interaction with people that “loved” him. And I can confidently state, this treatment didn’t make Arthur stop loving his dad or ET, he would’ve still loved them, this treatment made Arthur stop loving himself.

It’s beyond sickening! And I look forward to seeing them both being held accountable.

 

[Dotta]

I wonder about alcohol.
Nothing was said during cross examinations but I remember clearly that ET said that she had to stop drinking alco before Social Service arrived to be perfectly sober.

 

[Tinksx]

I wonder about alcohol.
Nothing was said during cross examinations but I remember clearly that ET said that she had to stop drinking alco before Social Service arrived to be perfectly sober.

I remember the alcohol being mentioned too. Also something was said about ET drinking during pregnancy, or something along the lines of not admitting she drank during pregnancy or that she hadn’t drank a lot.

 

[ScottishSam]

@Dotta @Tinksx
I complained to the BBC about this. During lockdown they made a big deal talking about the hidden victims of lockdown. Yet, they haven't followed up now we know people have died because they were prisoners in their homes, trapped with their abusers.

 

[Carroll520]

I remember the alcohol being mentioned too. Also something was said about ET drinking during pregnancy, or something along the lines of not admitting she drank during pregnancy or that she hadn’t drank a lot.

The only time i remember drink being mentioned was when ET told TH in the van on the way to court she hasnt even been drinking that much during the pregnancy. Their behaviour would lead you to believe there was some sort of addiction issues going on though

 

[Tortoise]

There's one aspect which settles the case in regards to murder as far as I'm concerned, and that is the responsibility he took in his first statements in the hospital and to police, for Arthur's death (before salt poisoning was alleged or experts consulted) - in the context of his partner in crime telling him that Arthur caused his own head injuries. All of their conversation in the police van was tacit acceptance by both of them that Arthur did not do this to himself. He also knew there was a hair's breadth between them as regards the very serious danger they were putting Arthur in with their violence, because if he was not guilty and this was not self-inflicted he would have known it was her at that stage. Both of them showed consciousness of guilt before Arthur's life support was even switched off.

Her barrister has to steer clear of that line of questioning because he was out when it happened. Salt poisoning is a red herring (although clearly relevant to the abuse charges) - the expert said he would have survived it. Cause of death was the head trauma.

He is guilty of murder in my opinion because he broke his son, completely. He knew there was no future for Arthur to survive this, when he stopped feeding him, bathing him, dressing him, giving him human company, cuddles, a bed to sleep in, his Elmer, his nanny and uncles, any comfort and all hope. The final scene, when he was out with her children, his own son left on the concrete step he lived on, is not what this case should hinge on.

 

[JayWill]

For someone who did not like confrontations, it seems that he had no trouble confronting his poor little boy and his family. The only person he was frightened to confront was his partner IMO.

 

[Dotta]

DBM

 

[Dotta]

For someone who did not like confrontations, it seems that he had no trouble confronting his poor little boy and his family. The only person he was frightened to confront was his partner IMO.

Maybe not her but
the ex - famous Shane!

 

[Tinksx]

There's one aspect which settles the case in regards to murder as far as I'm concerned, and that is the responsibility he took in his first statements in the hospital and to police, for Arthur's death (before salt poisoning was alleged or experts consulted) - in the context of his partner in crime telling him that Arthur caused his own head injuries. All of their conversation in the police van was tacit acceptance by both of them that Arthur did not do this to himself. He also knew there was a hair's breadth between them as regards the very serious danger they were putting Arthur in with their violence, because if he was not guilty and this was not self-inflicted he would have known it was her at that stage. Both of them showed consciousness of guilt before Arthur's life support was even switched off.

Her barrister has to steer clear of that line of questioning because he was out when it happened. Salt poisoning is a red herring (although clearly relevant to the abuse charges) - the expert said he would have survived it. Cause of death was the head trauma.

He is guilty of murder in my opinion because he broke his son, completely. He knew there was no future for Arthur to survive this, when he stopped feeding him, bathing him, dressing him, giving him human company, cuddles, a bed to sleep in, his Elmer, his nanny and uncles, any comfort and all hope. The final scene, when he was out with her children, his own son left on the concrete step he lived on, is not what this case should hinge on.

The question is, will this stand? I agree wholeheartedly that TH broke his son, in ever sense of the word, but will that be enough to secure a murder conviction? Will the whole TH not being there, ET being the executioner (I don’t know how to word that better and I apologise) obscure the picture as a whole? Morally, he should be found guilty of murder 100%, but legally, does he meet the standard? That’s a genuine question, I have tried reading the legislation and it is running rings around me.

 

[Tinksx]

The only time i remember drink being mentioned was when ET told TH in the van on the way to court she hasnt even been drinking that much during the pregnancy. Their behaviour would lead you to believe there was some sort of addiction issues going on though

That was it, thank you

 

[Carroll520]

For some reason the song "Go easy on me" by Adele reminds me of Arthur. I think it came out around the time I first heard about Arthur Its the " i was still a child, i didnt get the chance to feel the world around me" and "go easy on me" asking them to go easy on him
Oh god, i think i need to switch off from this case for the weekend. Its too heartbreaking

 

[Tortoise]

The question is, will this stand? I agree wholeheartedly that TH broke his son, in ever sense of the word, but will that be enough to secure a murder conviction? Will the whole TH not being there, ET being the executioner (I don’t know how to word that better and I apologise) obscure the picture as a whole? Morally, he should be found guilty of murder 100%, but legally, does he meet the standard? That’s a genuine question, I have tried reading the legislation and it is running rings around me.

He's been charged as an abettor and I believe his text messages are solid evidence of that.

 

[ScottishSam]

For some reason the song "Go easy on me" by Adele reminds me of Arthur. I think it came out around the time I first heard about Arthur Its the " i was still a child, i didnt get the chance to feel the world around me" and "go easy on me" asking them to go easy on him
Oh god, i think i need to switch off from this case for the weekend. Its too heartbreaking

Me too. And the other one I heard while reading the case at work was One Direction - Once in a lifetime. I'm not a fan of theirs but that song hit a nerve for me

 

[Tinksx]

He's been charged as an abettor and I believe his text messages are solid evidence of that.

Is that the equivalent of joint enterprise?

 

[Tortoise]

Is that the equivalent of joint enterprise?

No it's secondary liability.

Secondary Liability: charging decisions on principals and accessories | The Crown Prosecution Service

 

[Tinksx]

No it's secondary liability.

Secondary Liability: charging decisions on principals and accessories | The Crown Prosecution Service

Thank you as always! Appreciate it. Let me get my head down into this….