UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020

[ScottishSam]

ET I believe is said to have 4 children with 3 different fathers. After the suicide attempt 2 children went to live with their fathers. Where has it been said they were “removed” and that there’s no pictures or anything of them in the house? I don’t recall reading that, but between this and Star, I might have missed something.

Regarding ETs mental state and any meds she was on. For a personality disorder, there generally aren’t meds. I know BPD (emotionally unstable) has been discussed before, based on testimony, she does sound like/remind me of my abusive ex who had BPD. I believe she also mentioned she had anxiety and depression. So potentially the medication she could have been would have been a SSRI and beta blockers for the anxiety.

I'd go with these meds too. ET or her QC confirmed the kids being removed and not returned to her, it was in one of the small summaries the court reporters do

 

[ScottishSam]

Thanks. I hadn't been following this case closely. Did she raise/have custody of them? From what I have gleaned from reading the more recent posts, she had 2 miscarriages, and 1 termination with TH. Is that correct? I'm trying to get a picture of the larger dynamics at play here, so please bear with me.

She does indeed have 4, she was allegedly pregnant several times with TH baby but said she miscarried. The last baby she aborted at 21 weeks. I'm pro choice, but a 21 week old baby being born is considered viable. Who sits on a pregnancy for that length of time before deciding? And TH only found that out in court last week. His QC said that disclosure was designed to cause him maximum pain. And I could believe that. That was another of ETs poor me acts as well. She said she believed she'd miscarry and that's why she left the pregnancy so long, I don't believe that

 

[Tinksx]

ET I believe is said to have 4 children with 3 different fathers. After the suicide attempt 2 children went to live with their fathers. Where has it been said they were “removed” and that there’s no pictures or anything of them in the house? I don’t recall reading that, but between this and Star, I might have missed something.

Regarding ETs mental state and any meds she was on. For a personality disorder, there generally aren’t meds. I know BPD (emotionally unstable) has been discussed before, based on testimony, she does sound like/remind me of my abusive ex who had BPD. I believe she also mentioned she had anxiety and depression. So potentially the medication she could have been would have been a SSRI and beta blockers for the anxiety.

Someone posted that it was said that TH wasn’t aware that ET had two other older children. I concluded, that for TH to not know about these two oldest children, there must be no sign of photographs or the like in the family home. He lived there. That’s where the missing photos came from. As for them being removed, I’m sure that was more a case of the children going to live with their fathers due to ET suicide attempt.

This is where I start questioning things:
TH not aware of the older children.
ET house had no provisions eg bed for Arthur to sleep in, he was on a ‘put you up’ camp bed at first due to the fact there were no beds for him. This makes me suspect that ET did not have overnight access to these older children.
Eldest children have separate fathers, did both fathers just stop contact altogether? If so, why did ET not challenge that at family court? She has parental responsibility so she would be well within her rights to have contact with her children. She went from being the main carer for her children, to absolutely nothing? If so, how?

I’m going to have to go back over this thread and also pull up as many newspaper articles as possible to figure out if TH was unaware of these older children. I know he said was unaware of the suicide attempt and the abortion. I’ll come back and post anything I find that can either corroborate or dispel the situation regarding the eldest children.

 

[ScottishSam]

Someone posted that it was said that TH wasn’t aware that ET had two other older children. I concluded, that for TH to not know about these two oldest children, there must be no sign of photographs or the like in the family home. He lived there. That’s where the missing photos came from. As for them being removed, I’m sure that was more a case of the children going to live with their fathers due to ET suicide attempt.

This is where I start questioning things:
TH not aware of the older children.
ET house had no provisions eg bed for Arthur to sleep in, he was on a ‘put you up’ camp bed at first due to the fact there were no beds for him. This makes me suspect that ET did not have overnight access to these older children.
Eldest children have separate fathers, did both fathers just stop contact altogether? If so, why did ET not challenge that at family court? She has parental responsibility so she would be well within her rights to have contact with her children. She went from being the main carer for her children, to absolutely nothing? If so, how?

I’m going to have to go back over this thread and also pull up as many newspaper articles as possible to figure out if TH was unaware of these older children. I know he said was unaware of the suicide attempt and the abortion. I’ll come back and post anything I find that can either corroborate or dispel the situation regarding the eldest children.

I'm 100% sure he was unaware of the older children. I can't remember who confirmed it first on the stand- ET or TH.
Be interesting to see what you are able to clarify.

 

[ChloLo]

She does indeed have 4, she was allegedly pregnant several times with TH baby but said she miscarried. The last baby she aborted at 21 weeks. I'm pro choice, but a 21 week old baby being born is considered viable. Who sits on a pregnancy for that length of time before deciding? And TH only found that out in court last week. His QC said that disclosure was designed to cause him maximum pain. And I could believe that. That was another of ETs poor me acts as well. She said she believed she'd miscarry and that's why she left the pregnancy so long, I don't believe that

I believe it’s 3 pregnancies with TH, 2 miscarriages, at least one of which she blamed Arthur for, then the abortion while she was on remand. 24 weeks is the abortion cut off in England.

I remember TH not knowing about the suicide attempt or the abortion, I do not recall it being said that he didn’t know about the older children.

If I recall correctly ET confirmed that the children went to live with their fathers and did not return to live with her. I don’t recall it being mentioned about her having or not having contact with them.

 

[ScottishSam]

I believe it’s 3 pregnancies with TH, 2 miscarriages, at least one of which she blamed Arthur for, then the abortion while she was on remand. 24 weeks is the abortion cut off in England.
Yes she said one of the miscarriages happened at JH house if I recall correctly. And she did blame Arthur for one of them - not sure which of the 2 she felt was his fault. TH said Arthur always spoke about wanting to be a big brother so ET saying (in texts) that Arthur had said he was glad the baby died doesn't fit.

It was definitely stated that he didn't know about the older 2, but I can't remember who said it. I think @Tinksx is going to read the live feed and clarify.
He might not have known about the suicide attempt, but didn't he send her a text talking about a nervous breakdown? So, maybe she glossed over the suicide attempt to a certain degree and he was aware she'd had some kind of breakdown in the past?



I remember TH not knowing about the suicide attempt or the abortion, I do not recall it being said that he didn’t know about the older children.

If I recall correctly ET confirmed that the children went to live with their fathers and did not return to live with her. I don’t recall it being mentioned about her having or not having contact with them being mentioned.

 

[ScottishSam]

Sorry @ChloLo My reply didn't post properly - it's in the middle your post. Rookie error!

 

[ChloLo]

To give a rough idea of the potential layout of the house on cranmore road. This is the closest to the house I could find, I doubt Tustin had a conservatory, it would also be reversed as it’s the other side of the semi if that makes sense. Tustins children with Shane appear young enough to have shared a room, so Arthur could have been given his own room.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=38611915&sale=25605933&country=england

 

[Tinksx]

To give a rough idea of the potential layout of the house on cranmore road. This is the closest to the house I could find, I doubt Tustin had a conservatory, it would also be reversed as it’s the other side of the semi if that makes sense. Tustins children with Shane appear young enough to have shared a room, so Arthur could have been given his own room.
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-p...l?prop=38611915&sale=25605933&country=england
House Price History

Thanks for this! They were number 37 right?

I’m sure it was stated that ET kids had their own room. I don’t know where, but while I am on this little mission (it’s not little, it’s actually massive sorting through this thread) I will find anything that relates to all of ET children that is relevant. Hopefully then we can get some clarity on the situation.

 

[ChloLo]

Number 39
Here’s the front of the house and an arial to include the garden.
Also to add all the listings I could find for houses on cranmore road were 3 or more bedrooms.

 

[ScottishSam]

Number 39
Here’s the front of the house and an arial to include the garden.
Also to add all the listings I could find for houses on cranmore road were 3 or more bedrooms.

I didn't realise how close the lounge and hallway were. This layout explains why they were always caught on cctv marching Arthur through there to get to the kitchen. And to think how many people passed him going to the bathroom or bedrooms on a daily basis
He'd be able to hear everything normal that was going on just feet away from him.
Poor wee man. The fact he tried to escape broke me.

 

[ChloLo]

I had imagined the hall to be bigger. Didn’t the prosecutor say something like “just a few feet away”.

 

[Tinksx]

Just to clarify:

ET eldest children were both boys.

She confirmed on the stand that TH did not know about them.

I am trying to copy and link over here but because the Birmingham Mail is one long running thread, my phone keeps freezing and refreshing the page.

If anyone else can copy it over, I’d be grateful. It is stated at the beginning of ET taking the stand when Ms Prior is running her through her version of events. You can find it here…. Murder trial over death of boy, six, resumes after covid alert - updates

ETA I’ve managed to screenshot it.

 

[ScottishSam]

I had imagined the hall to be bigger. Didn’t the prosecutor say something like “just a few feet away”.

I thought it was bigger too, and I also assumed it was away from the living room, not right next to it. Yes he did say that, but I honestly thought it would be at the end of a hallway or something

 

[Dotta]

It was also said "a thinking step" and I see mainly staircase and a miniscule hall.
By the way, as a Council house, the place is amazing.

 

[Tinksx]

I had imagined the hall to be bigger. Didn’t the prosecutor say something like “just a few feet away”.

I thought it was bigger too, and I also assumed it was away from the living room, not right next to it. Yes he did say that, but I honestly thought it would be at the end of a hallway or something

I had thought that the hallway led to the kitchen at one end and the living room off of the hall somewhere? I don’t think I would even classify that square patch as a hall.

 

[ScottishSam]

I had thought that the hallway led to the kitchen at one end and the living room off of the hall somewhere? I don’t think I would even classify that square patch as a hall.

It's more like an entrance way. A tiny little box space. The more I read about this case the angrier I get

 

[ScottishSam]

It was also said "a thinking step" and I see mainly staircase and a miniscule hall.
By the way, as a Council house, the place is amazing.

Some of the old council houses are massive. The council tenements are big as well. Much bigger than modern flats.

 

[ChloLo]

I find it bizarre that a mother wouldn’t have photos of two of her children in her house. Even if they didn’t live with her.

Thanks for that @Tinksx really helpful.

 

[Tinksx]

I find it bizarre that a mother wouldn’t have photos of two of her children in her house. Even if they didn’t live with her.

Thanks for that @Tinksx really helpful.

No problem!

If the eldest children lived with their fathers and ET still had contact, why would she not inform TH about them? That’s what makes me suspect she had no contact with these children whatsoever because surely, at some point, them children would come to visit and then how would you explain that? If she had photos of these children in her home, at some point TH would ask who they were surely? That’s what makes me think there were no photos of them in that house.

I’ve already stated my eldest no longer lives at home, his photos are still up on my walls and on my shelves. I didn’t think “oh you know what, he no longer lives here, let’s remove him.” I think it’s the aspect of ET failing to mention her other children, them seemingly not existing, that gives me really bad vibes. I can’t quite convey it in words…

This is what makes me think there is more going on here than what we know so far. I really do think a lot is going to come out after trial.