UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020

[Chessgirl]

ET I believe is said to have 4 children with 3 different fathers. After the suicide attempt 2 children went to live with their fathers. Where has it been said they were “removed” and that there’s no pictures or anything of them in the house? I don’t recall reading that, but between this and Star, I might have missed something.

Regarding ETs mental state and any meds she was on. For a personality disorder, there generally aren’t meds. I know BPD (emotionally unstable) has been discussed before, based on testimony, she does sound like/remind me of my abusive ex who had BPD. I believe she also mentioned she had anxiety and depression. So potentially the medication she could have been would have been a SSRI and beta blockers for the anxiety.

I feel like every murderer I’ve studied is said to have BPD which I don’t get. I have BPD and would never do anything like this. People with this disorder have intense empathy for others and they can even grow out of the disorder with age. They need therapy, sure, but they are not monsters. I firmly believe she lacks all empathy and remorse which would make her something like a narcissist or sociopath. I think those disorders just are not diagnosed enough, especially with murderers.

 

[RusselSprout]

Has ET ever gave a reason why she had cctv inside her home?

 

[Dotta]

Has ET ever gave a reason why she had cctv inside her home?

I remember it was something like to "keep an eye" on Arthur.
But am I right???

 

[Tinksx]

Has ET ever gave a reason why she had cctv inside her home?

To “cover her back” and prove she wasn’t hitting Arthur. It’s on the long Birmingham mail thread.

 

[ScottishSam]

I feel like every murderer I’ve studied is said to have BPD which I don’t get. I have BPD and would never do anything like this. People with this disorder have intense empathy for others and they can even grow out of the disorder with age. They need therapy, sure, but they are not monsters. I firmly believe she lacks all empathy and remorse which would make her something like a narcissist or sociopath. I think those disorders just are not diagnosed enough, especially with murderers.

This 100%. Its the same with schizophrenia and dissociation disorders. I've always found people with these conditions to be vulnerable in the sense they're very empathetic and sensitive. I personally think ET is a cruel, manipulative woman. Nothing more, nothing less. For whatever reason, which we're all trying to understand, she enjoyed torturing Arthur.
It's against nearly every single person's morals and sensibilities to do to a person what was done to Arthur (and every other child who suffers systematic torture) that the only people who know why this was allowed to happen is Emma and Tom
.

 

[Carroll520]

This 100%. Its the same with schizophrenia and dissociation disorders. I've always found people with these conditions to be vulnerable in the sense they're very empathetic and sensitive. I personally think ET is a cruel, manipulative woman. Nothing more, nothing less. For whatever reason, which we're all trying to understand, she enjoyed torturing Arthur.
It's against nearly every single person's morals and sensibilities to do to a person what was done to Arthur (and every other child who suffers systematic torture) that the only people who know why this was allowed to happen is Emma and Tom
.

Yes, it just goes against all your natural instincts as a person. I keep imagining Arthur standing in that hall, listening to them all chatting away having meals together, sitting in the living room watching tv, while he just stood there. The days must have felt endless. So hard to get your head around how people can do that, its why i keep thinking they must be on drugs or big drinkers, or something to make them numb out and not be aware but it doesnt look like there is any talk of that yet

 

[ScottishSam]

Yes, I meant drugs as medications, some are highly addictive.

Yes they are, but it's not a reason to remove children. Strong painkillers (which she would have needed after her suicide attempt) would need to be prescribed by her GP. So in that sense she's not a drug addict but they can cause dependence.
It depends very much on her injuries if she'd need long term pain relief, and medication type would depend on the injuries she sustained. Generally, if she wanted to come off these meds it would need to be a reducing dose, again it depends on what pain relief she's getting. When she referred to 'her meds', I think she meant psych meds.

 

[Carroll520]

2013

Aw ok, thanks, so a good while ago. And the time she went missing and there was a facebook appeal more recent?

 

[Dotta]

Yes, it just goes against all your natural instincts as a person. I keep imagining Arthur standing in that hall, listening to them all chatting away having meals together, sitting in the living room watching tv, while he just stood there. The days must have felt endless. So hard to get your head aroubd how people can do that, its why i keep thinking they must be on drugs or big drinkers, or something to make them numb out and not be aware but it doesnt look like there is any talk of that yet

And I wonder about two other kids.
The boy seems compassionate - he wanted to cuddle Arthur in the hall.
He seems to be the only one to show human feelings.
I hope the kids are being cared properly now.
Enough is enough!

 

[ScottishSam]

Yes, it just goes against all your natural instincts as a person. I keep imagining Arthur standing in that hall, listening to them all chatting away having meals together, sitting in the living room watching tv, while he just stood there. The days must have felt endless. So hard to get your head around how people can do that, its why i keep thinking they must be on drugs or big drinkers, or something to make them numb out and not be aware but it doesnt look like there is any talk of that yet

I don't think substance abuse has ever been mentioned. I think their treatment of Arthur became normalised to the point they didn't give him a second thought. Reading the live feed it seems to be them against Arthur.
ET talked about him being evil, TH refers to him as he's dying as a little I think they'd lost all sense of compassion. Even when Tom is on the stand, the way he talks about Arthur its not as a little boy, but as a mini adult.
I'll try and post the link to this in a little while so you can see what I'm talking about

 

[ScottishSam]

And I wonder about two other kids.
The boy seems compassionate - he wanted to cuddle Arthur in the hall.
He seems to be the only one to show human feelings.
I hope the kids are being cared properly now.
Enough is enough!

It's interesting that ET found that bit upsetting. What HER son was doing caused her distress, again, no concern for Arthur

 

[Carroll520]

It's interesting that ET found that bit upsetting. What HER son was doing caused her distress, again, no concern for Arthur

Yes, that keeps popping into my head. The barrister said it was the most emotion she had shown for the whole trial

 

[Carroll520]

I don't think substance abuse has ever been mentioned. I think their treatment of Arthur became normalised to the point they didn't give him a second thought. Reading the live feed it seems to be them against Arthur.
ET talked about him being evil, TH refers to him as he's dying as a little **** I think they'd lost all sense of compassion. Even when Tom is on the stand, the way he talks about Arthur its not as a little boy, but as a mini adult.
I'll try and post the link to this in a little while so you can see what I'm talking about

That does sound about right, it turned into a case of us against him.
God i didnt realise TH had said that while Arthur was dying. Hes a pig of a man

 

[Dotta]

It's interesting that ET found that bit upsetting. What HER son was doing caused her distress, again, no concern for Arthur

It shows, in my opinion, that even monsters have some feelings.
I once read the interview with a psychiatrist who said that "sometimes even a murderer can save your life".

We are all only human, after all.

"I am human and nothing human is alien to me."

 

[Tinksx]

Yes, that keeps popping into my head. The barrister said it was the most emotion she had shown for the whole trial

Which again shows she is able to feel emotions, she clearly did towards her own son. I truly believe that she deemed Arthur a hindrance and an obstacle between TH love for herself.

 

[Tinksx]

Yes they are, but it's not a reason to remove children. Strong painkillers (which she would have needed after her suicide attempt) would need to be prescribed by her GP. So in that sense she's not a drug addict but they can cause dependence.
It depends very much on her injuries if she'd need long term pain relief, and medication type would depend on the injuries she sustained. Generally, if she wanted to come off these meds it would need to be a reducing dose, again it depends on what pain relief she's getting. When she referred to 'her meds', I think she meant psych meds.

Just jumping off this - The medications she was prescribed after the suicide attempt were before the youngest children were born. Therefore, if the medications were a safeguarding issue, this would’ve been addressed when the youngest were born. The fact that the youngest were allowed to be in ET care, says that the medications were not a safeguarding issue.

 

[Tinksx]

And I wonder about two other kids.
The boy seems compassionate - he wanted to cuddle Arthur in the hall.
He seems to be the only one to show human feelings.
I hope the kids are being cared properly now.
Enough is enough!

100% agree dotta!
That little boy knew that Arthur needed love and a cuddle, he seems to be the only one so far to offer a loving hand. I really do hope ET children are safe and loved and blissfully unaware of what they, themselves, lived through.

 

[Chessgirl]

This 100%. Its the same with schizophrenia and dissociation disorders. I've always found people with these conditions to be vulnerable in the sense they're very empathetic and sensitive. I personally think ET is a cruel, manipulative woman. Nothing more, nothing less. For whatever reason, which we're all trying to understand, she enjoyed torturing Arthur.
It's against nearly every single person's morals and sensibilities to do to a person what was done to Arthur (and every other child who suffers systematic torture) that the only people who know why this was allowed to happen is Emma and Tom
.

Right!

 

[spangled]

My only trouble with this scenario is that she went on to have other children. If she couldn’t be bothered, why would she have more children? But again, this is ET we’re talking about…. I can’t understand her no matter how hard I try!

I work in social housing and have done for many years. Unfortunately, it's quite common for dysfunctional families to continue having children even though they don't care for them.

We often have children removed by social services or going to live with extended family, then the mother immediately gets pregnant. So many damaged little lives.

 

[Chessgirl]

I work in social housing and have done for many years. Unfortunately, it's quite common for dysfunctional families to continue having children even though they don't care for them.

We often have children removed by social services or going to live with extended family, then the mother immediately gets pregnant. So many damaged little lives.

That is so selfish and delusional. Perhaps they think they screwed up with the others, but a new baby gives them a fresh start to try again? Some of these people really belong in intensive treatment programs.