GUILTY UK - Ashley Dale, 28 fatally shot at home, Liverpool - 21 Aug 2022
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JP: “I’ve been to like four Glastonburys. I’ve always travelled on me own in my own car, or I’ve always ended up being on my own. I’ve always went on like a Friday or Saturday or Sunday and got a day pass.”
If I remember correctly, you actually can't buy day tickets to Glastonbury Festival. They let Glastonbury residents in for free on the Sunday but you can't actually buy a "day pass" as he puts it!
If I remember correctly, you actually can't buy day tickets to Glastonbury Festival. They let Glastonbury residents in for free on the Sunday but you can't actually buy a "day pass" as he puts it!
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11:41JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
PW: “Is that a vehicle you travelled in?”
JP: “That is a vehicle I’ve travelled in yeah.”
PW: “On a number of occasions?”
JP: “That’s right yeah.”
PW: “Your DNA was found on a water bottle on the inside of the bottle top.”
JP: “That’s right.”
PW: “We also know that vehicle had the impression it may have been cleaned because of the very few fingerprints found upon.”
JP: “That’s what it says.”
PW: “Did you have any involvement in cleaning that vehicle?”
JP: “No I never had any involvement in cleaning that vehicle, clearly, if my DNA is found on a bottle lid.”
Mr Wright asks: “No history between you and Lee Harrison?”
JP: “Me and Lee have got no history, no bad history anyway.”
Mr Wright moves on to the Glastonbury festival in June, 2022.
PW: “You’d split up with Lucy?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “Having split up with Lucy and moved back home, did you spend time socialising with anyone in particular after that time?”
JP: “The only time I’ve spent with someone is probably Sean, the closest person I’d sit with after this.”
PW: “You’ve got a sporting background?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “Did you have trials with a number of clubs?”
JP: “As a kid I played for Tranmere Rovers, Liverpool Schoolboys and I played for Blackburn as well.”
PW: “You also had some success as a boxer?”
JP: “Yeah that’s right.”
PW: “Did you represent your country?”
JP: “Four times.”
PW: “In boxing?”
JP: “Four caps, yeah.”
PW: “After the time you split up with Lucy, did you spend any time returning back to sport?
JP: “Erm, I did and I didn’t. I’ve always been active, going the gym, training ,running, staying fit and healthy. I was just working to be honest.”
JP: “Did you have any friendship with individuals by virtue of football and boxing?”
JP: “I still have a couple of friends who play professional football now.?”
PW: “Chris Long.”
JP: “He’s my close mate, best mate, growing up with all through school.”
PW: “Did he have a girlfriend.”
JP: “He did.”
PW: “Is there someone called Callum O’Connor?”
JP: “Callum is Longy’s cousin.”
PW: “Someone called Hughesy?”
JP: “Dominic Hughes.”
PW: “Glastonbury. Did you go to Glastonbury?”
JP: “I attended the area of Glastonbury but I never entered the festival.”
PW: “There are events involving Niall Barry and also James Witham, and a stop and search that took place in the area. Did you spend any time with Niall Barry and James Witham.”
JP: “I wouldn’t know anything about that.”
PW: “They were staying nearby at a public house called the Pig and Wheel?”
JP: “I wouldn’t know what that was no.”
PW: “Did you have any interaction with anyone at Glastonbury referred to in these proceedings, Niall Barry, physical first of all?”
JP: “No.”
He also says no regarding James Witham, Lee Harrison, Ashley Dale, Jordan Thompson, Olivia McDowell and Ian Fitzgibbon.
PW: “Any of those individuals that were connected to them that we’ve heard about?”
JP: “Never seen none of them physically no.”
The jury are shown a map of cell siting data showing Peers’ phone moving from Liverpool to Glastonbury on June 25, the Saturday of the festival.
Mr Wright says his phone was “in the vicinity
JP: “Shepton Mallet it was. I went alone. I actually travelled up with friends who are not linked to this. I went in company with a few people but when I got there I was on my own. I couldn’t get a ticket to get into the festival and then I come back home.”
PW: “What caused you to go to the festival on the 25th. The festival begins on the 22nd. The Saturday and Sunday are the 25th and 26th.”
JP: “I’ve been to like four Glastonburys. I’ve always travelled on me own in my own car, or I’ve always ended up being on my own. I’ve always went on like a Friday or Saturday or Sunday and got a day pass.”
PW: “On previous occasions you’ve been to Glastonbury, have you made any arrangements in advance to obtain tickets?”
JP: “I have, not in advance. Glastbnbury is the hardest thing to get tickets on. I’ve been down and got tickets or wristbands off a tout outside.”
PW: “How long in advance of that Saturday did you decide you were going to go?”
JP: “I decided that morning when a friend come to me mother’s and said do you want to come to Glastonbury for the day. Jason Hughes.”
PW: “Did you go?”
JP: “I went yeah, travelled up there.”
PW: “Who did you travel with?”
JP: “A couple of Jason’s, two of Jason’s mates. Jason and their two girlfriends. There was six.”
PW: “Did you go in one car?”
JP: “We went in one car, we crammed in.”
Peers says he “got a rain mac and a pair of wellies from the Tesco” in Shepton Mallet.
PW: “This time did you manage to get into the festival?”
JP: “No I never managed to get into the festival. I ended up sitting in the Tesco car park for hours.”
PW: “Why did you go to that area?”
JP: “That’s generally where you meet ticket touts.”
PW: “Did any of you get tickets?”
JP: “No, none of us got tickets. We waited overnight, stayed overnight in the car park. We were promised tickets all day for the Sunday. I got that fed up I thought, come ed, lets get home.”
11:47JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
JP: “That’s right.”
PW: “Did you have any contact with anyone in Glastonbury?”
JP: “I tried to ring everyone in the festival, everyone I knew who was there, more or less the whole of Liverpool to see if I could get tickets. It just didn’t work out.”
He says he contacted “probably Sean, Ian, Liv”.
PW: “Any success?”
JP: “No success, no.”
PW: “Were you aware there was any incident at Glastonbury.”
JP: “No I was unaware, obviously I wasn’t in there.”
Mr Wright moves onto Saturday, July 16, to Wednesday, July 20.
PW: “This is about three weeks after Glastonrbury. Can you help us what happened in that period?”
JP: “I spent time at my mum’s, I never really seen the lads. I was chilling out.”
PW: “Did you go somewhere else?”
JP: “I stayed in Liverpool for a bit, and then I went on holiday. I went to Barcelona. I went alone to Barcelona.”
PW: “What were you planning to do?”
JP: “Chill out, detox, have a nice little break.”
PW: “Did you have any commitments?”
Peers says he had no work, girlfriend, social or family commitments at that point.
PW: “Was there anything keeping you in Liverpool?”
JP: “There wasn’t no.”
PW: “Were you aware there was any issue involving Dusty or Niall Barry or any of your friends?”
JP: “No I never seen none of them in the festival. Before i seen this, i didn’t even know who Dusty was.”
PW: “Had you spent time at Pilch Lane?”
JP: “I can’t recall whether I spent time there. I know I spent time with Sean. I was more or less chilling at home with my dog.”
He is asked how far in advance he planned the Barcelona trip.
JP: “It was more a spur of a moment thing, just go away for holidays. I stayed in a three star hotel. I moved from Barcelona to Valencia, where I continued to Portugal. I met up with Sean.”
PW: “How was that arranged?”
JP: “It wasn’t arranged. We were speaking, he said do you want to come away. So I said yeah, I’ll come and see ya.”
PW: “Where was that?”
JP: “We actually met in Barcelona. We travelled to Valencia and then got a flight from Valencia to Portugal.”
The jury are shown a picture of Zeisz and Peers on holiday, which Zeisz sent to Niall Barry.
JP: “We was in Portugal then.”
PW: “During the time you were in either Spain or Portugal with Sean Zeisz, did you become aware of any incident at Glastonbury?”
JP: “No. Given how close I was to Sean, he’d tell me anything. If it was a problem, I’m sure he’d tell me. It mustn't have been that much of a deal for him.”
PW: “Did something happen on July 21 that led to your returning to the UK?”
JP: “Our friend committed suicide, jumped in front of a train.”
The court will now take a short break, resuming at 12.25pm.
12:36JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
Peers says: “I returned to the UK some days after his death. I can’t off the top of my head remember the precise date”.
Mr Wright says the funeral was on August 10.
Peers says his return would have been “within a week”, saying it was “quite soon after” Mr Warnick’s death.
He says he did not attend the balloon release for Rikki, but that he did go to the funeral and wake.
He is shown CCTV from Ten Streets Social, where Mr Warnick’s wake was held.
PW: “We can see here events at the Ten Streets Social in Liverpool, which depict you together with a number of others. Did you see anyone at the funeral? Did you see Lee Harrison there?”
JP: “I did see Lee Harrison yeah.”
PW: “Did you speak to him?”
JP: “Lee was standing under a tree. I said what’s happening, you alright?”
PW: “You gestured saying you did a thumbs up sign?”
JP: “Yeah. That’s something I did at the time, I said what’s happening Lee you alright? He said yeah. I put a thumbs up. There was no tension. I carried on.”
PW: “Were you aware of any tension?”
JP: “I wasn’t. If there was beef, clearly it would have been confrontational as we were walking up to our friend’s funeral.”
PW: “With whom did you attend?”
JP: “I went with the lads. Some of them that were in the flat and some that weren’t. The whole of Liverpool went. Rikki was quite a nice lad, loads of people knew him. It was a sad time for everyone.”
Mr Wright turns to the wake.
PW: “Did you spent time in their company when you were there?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “Did you spend time with anyone else at the wake?”
JP: “I seen lots of different people at the wake, yeah.”
PW: “Ashley was present. Did you see her?”
JP: “I actually never seen Ashley at the wake, no.”
PW: “By the end of the wake, were you aware of any tensions as far as any of the people you were familiar with, and Dusty or Lee Harrison or anyone?”
JP: “No there was no tension whatsoever, no.”
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Mr Wright asks about the grey Hyundai i30N Performance.PW: “Is that a vehicle you travelled in?”
JP: “That is a vehicle I’ve travelled in yeah.”
PW: “On a number of occasions?”
JP: “That’s right yeah.”
PW: “Your DNA was found on a water bottle on the inside of the bottle top.”
JP: “That’s right.”
PW: “We also know that vehicle had the impression it may have been cleaned because of the very few fingerprints found upon.”
JP: “That’s what it says.”
PW: “Did you have any involvement in cleaning that vehicle?”
JP: “No I never had any involvement in cleaning that vehicle, clearly, if my DNA is found on a bottle lid.”
Mr Wright asks: “No history between you and Lee Harrison?”
JP: “Me and Lee have got no history, no bad history anyway.”
Mr Wright moves on to the Glastonbury festival in June, 2022.
PW: “You’d split up with Lucy?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “Having split up with Lucy and moved back home, did you spend time socialising with anyone in particular after that time?”
JP: “The only time I’ve spent with someone is probably Sean, the closest person I’d sit with after this.”
PW: “You’ve got a sporting background?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “Did you have trials with a number of clubs?”
JP: “As a kid I played for Tranmere Rovers, Liverpool Schoolboys and I played for Blackburn as well.”
PW: “You also had some success as a boxer?”
JP: “Yeah that’s right.”
PW: “Did you represent your country?”
JP: “Four times.”
PW: “In boxing?”
JP: “Four caps, yeah.”
PW: “After the time you split up with Lucy, did you spend any time returning back to sport?
JP: “Erm, I did and I didn’t. I’ve always been active, going the gym, training ,running, staying fit and healthy. I was just working to be honest.”
JP: “Did you have any friendship with individuals by virtue of football and boxing?”
JP: “I still have a couple of friends who play professional football now.?”
PW: “Chris Long.”
JP: “He’s my close mate, best mate, growing up with all through school.”
PW: “Did he have a girlfriend.”
JP: “He did.”
PW: “Is there someone called Callum O’Connor?”
JP: “Callum is Longy’s cousin.”
PW: “Someone called Hughesy?”
JP: “Dominic Hughes.”
PW: “Glastonbury. Did you go to Glastonbury?”
JP: “I attended the area of Glastonbury but I never entered the festival.”
PW: “There are events involving Niall Barry and also James Witham, and a stop and search that took place in the area. Did you spend any time with Niall Barry and James Witham.”
JP: “I wouldn’t know anything about that.”
PW: “They were staying nearby at a public house called the Pig and Wheel?”
JP: “I wouldn’t know what that was no.”
PW: “Did you have any interaction with anyone at Glastonbury referred to in these proceedings, Niall Barry, physical first of all?”
JP: “No.”
He also says no regarding James Witham, Lee Harrison, Ashley Dale, Jordan Thompson, Olivia McDowell and Ian Fitzgibbon.
PW: “Any of those individuals that were connected to them that we’ve heard about?”
JP: “Never seen none of them physically no.”
The jury are shown a map of cell siting data showing Peers’ phone moving from Liverpool to Glastonbury on June 25, the Saturday of the festival.
Mr Wright says his phone was “in the vicinity
JP: “Shepton Mallet it was. I went alone. I actually travelled up with friends who are not linked to this. I went in company with a few people but when I got there I was on my own. I couldn’t get a ticket to get into the festival and then I come back home.”
PW: “What caused you to go to the festival on the 25th. The festival begins on the 22nd. The Saturday and Sunday are the 25th and 26th.”
JP: “I’ve been to like four Glastonburys. I’ve always travelled on me own in my own car, or I’ve always ended up being on my own. I’ve always went on like a Friday or Saturday or Sunday and got a day pass.”
PW: “On previous occasions you’ve been to Glastonbury, have you made any arrangements in advance to obtain tickets?”
JP: “I have, not in advance. Glastbnbury is the hardest thing to get tickets on. I’ve been down and got tickets or wristbands off a tout outside.”
PW: “How long in advance of that Saturday did you decide you were going to go?”
JP: “I decided that morning when a friend come to me mother’s and said do you want to come to Glastonbury for the day. Jason Hughes.”
PW: “Did you go?”
JP: “I went yeah, travelled up there.”
PW: “Who did you travel with?”
JP: “A couple of Jason’s, two of Jason’s mates. Jason and their two girlfriends. There was six.”
PW: “Did you go in one car?”
JP: “We went in one car, we crammed in.”
Peers says he “got a rain mac and a pair of wellies from the Tesco” in Shepton Mallet.
PW: “This time did you manage to get into the festival?”
JP: “No I never managed to get into the festival. I ended up sitting in the Tesco car park for hours.”
PW: “Why did you go to that area?”
JP: “That’s generally where you meet ticket touts.”
PW: “Did any of you get tickets?”
JP: “No, none of us got tickets. We waited overnight, stayed overnight in the car park. We were promised tickets all day for the Sunday. I got that fed up I thought, come ed, lets get home.”
11:47JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
'Sean never told me about any issue at Glastonbury'
Mr Wright asks: “The Sunday, you then travelled back to Merseyside?”JP: “That’s right.”
PW: “Did you have any contact with anyone in Glastonbury?”
JP: “I tried to ring everyone in the festival, everyone I knew who was there, more or less the whole of Liverpool to see if I could get tickets. It just didn’t work out.”
He says he contacted “probably Sean, Ian, Liv”.
PW: “Any success?”
JP: “No success, no.”
PW: “Were you aware there was any incident at Glastonbury.”
JP: “No I was unaware, obviously I wasn’t in there.”
Mr Wright moves onto Saturday, July 16, to Wednesday, July 20.
PW: “This is about three weeks after Glastonrbury. Can you help us what happened in that period?”
JP: “I spent time at my mum’s, I never really seen the lads. I was chilling out.”
PW: “Did you go somewhere else?”
JP: “I stayed in Liverpool for a bit, and then I went on holiday. I went to Barcelona. I went alone to Barcelona.”
PW: “What were you planning to do?”
JP: “Chill out, detox, have a nice little break.”
PW: “Did you have any commitments?”
Peers says he had no work, girlfriend, social or family commitments at that point.
PW: “Was there anything keeping you in Liverpool?”
JP: “There wasn’t no.”
PW: “Were you aware there was any issue involving Dusty or Niall Barry or any of your friends?”
JP: “No I never seen none of them in the festival. Before i seen this, i didn’t even know who Dusty was.”
PW: “Had you spent time at Pilch Lane?”
JP: “I can’t recall whether I spent time there. I know I spent time with Sean. I was more or less chilling at home with my dog.”
He is asked how far in advance he planned the Barcelona trip.
JP: “It was more a spur of a moment thing, just go away for holidays. I stayed in a three star hotel. I moved from Barcelona to Valencia, where I continued to Portugal. I met up with Sean.”
PW: “How was that arranged?”
JP: “It wasn’t arranged. We were speaking, he said do you want to come away. So I said yeah, I’ll come and see ya.”
PW: “Where was that?”
JP: “We actually met in Barcelona. We travelled to Valencia and then got a flight from Valencia to Portugal.”
The jury are shown a picture of Zeisz and Peers on holiday, which Zeisz sent to Niall Barry.
JP: “We was in Portugal then.”
PW: “During the time you were in either Spain or Portugal with Sean Zeisz, did you become aware of any incident at Glastonbury?”
JP: “No. Given how close I was to Sean, he’d tell me anything. If it was a problem, I’m sure he’d tell me. It mustn't have been that much of a deal for him.”
PW: “Did something happen on July 21 that led to your returning to the UK?”
JP: “Our friend committed suicide, jumped in front of a train.”
The court will now take a short break, resuming at 12.25pm.
12:36JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
Peers 'said hello to Lee Harrison' at Rikki Warnick's funeral
Mr Wright resumes his questioning of Peers, asking about the “suicide of your friend Rikki”.Peers says: “I returned to the UK some days after his death. I can’t off the top of my head remember the precise date”.
Mr Wright says the funeral was on August 10.
Peers says his return would have been “within a week”, saying it was “quite soon after” Mr Warnick’s death.
He says he did not attend the balloon release for Rikki, but that he did go to the funeral and wake.
He is shown CCTV from Ten Streets Social, where Mr Warnick’s wake was held.
PW: “We can see here events at the Ten Streets Social in Liverpool, which depict you together with a number of others. Did you see anyone at the funeral? Did you see Lee Harrison there?”
JP: “I did see Lee Harrison yeah.”
PW: “Did you speak to him?”
JP: “Lee was standing under a tree. I said what’s happening, you alright?”
PW: “You gestured saying you did a thumbs up sign?”
JP: “Yeah. That’s something I did at the time, I said what’s happening Lee you alright? He said yeah. I put a thumbs up. There was no tension. I carried on.”
PW: “Were you aware of any tension?”
JP: “I wasn’t. If there was beef, clearly it would have been confrontational as we were walking up to our friend’s funeral.”
PW: “With whom did you attend?”
JP: “I went with the lads. Some of them that were in the flat and some that weren’t. The whole of Liverpool went. Rikki was quite a nice lad, loads of people knew him. It was a sad time for everyone.”
Mr Wright turns to the wake.
PW: “Did you spent time in their company when you were there?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “Did you spend time with anyone else at the wake?”
JP: “I seen lots of different people at the wake, yeah.”
PW: “Ashley was present. Did you see her?”
JP: “I actually never seen Ashley at the wake, no.”
PW: “By the end of the wake, were you aware of any tensions as far as any of the people you were familiar with, and Dusty or Lee Harrison or anyone?”
JP: “No there was no tension whatsoever, no.”
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12:47JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
Peers replies: “No. I didn’t even know that it was part exchanged.”
PW: “Did you travel to the Sale area accompanying Mr Witham or ‘Davo’?”
JP: “No I never travelled to Sale, not with them either. I don’t know anything about them cars.”
PW: “After the purchase had taken place, Mr McCaig and Mr Witham are captured on CCTV back in the Liverpool area. They appear to be in company with Niall Barry. We also see Mr Kershaw is present. Then Sean Zeisz. Were you present at this time?”
JP: “No, I wasn’t present.”
PW: “The next event is the 16th of August, through to the 18th. This involves events in respect of the Hyundai and any cloned plate that was to be attached to the Hyundai. Were you aware of any plating of the Hyundai?”
JP: “No, I wasn’t aware of any cloned number plates.”
PW: “Later, you accept you were in that vehicle.”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “On the night of the shooting, you accept you were in that vehicle?”
JP: “That’s right yeah.”
PW: “The last sighting of that vehicle in terms of ANPR, travelling east towards Roby, it is on its correct registration number. Were you ever involved in plating that Hyundai vehicle?”
JP: “Definitely not, no.”
Mr Wright moves on to August 16.
PW: “We see a number of attempts and contact between you and Kallum Radford. Do you recall getting in touch with him?”
JP: “I can. I think Kallum and I are both a nightmare to get hold of at the best of times. I can’t remember if I spoke to him. I can’t remember what we spoke about.”
PW: “Would there be any reason to contact him in respect of the Hyundai.”
JP: “No, definitely not. No.”
JP: “Would there be anything extraordinary about you having contact Kallum Radford or him having contacted you?”
JP: “No”.
Mr Wright moves onto August 19, and “the trip of the Hyundai to Wales.
PW: “Do you accept you travelled in that car that day?”
JP: “I was in the car that day, I travelled to Wales yeah.”
Mr Wright says he was seen on CCTV at Pilch Lane shortly before 1pm.
PW: “What was the background to any trip to North Wales?”
JP: “There was no background. I was at home. David McCaig and Witham come to my mother’s address. I was sitting in the house doing nothing. David asked me if I wanted to get out of the house for a couple of hours, which happened to be this trip to North Wales. I went with them.”
The CCTV is displayed, showing Mr McCaig Barry, Witham and Peers leaving the Pilch lane flat, then heading to North Wales.
PW: “Was there any other reason to travel to North Wales that you were aware of?”
JP: “No, no other reason.”
PW: “The cell siting of your phone and other phones is captured. We can see further activity involving the Kyle Line and a number attributable to Cathy Doyle. Were you a user of that phone the Kyle Line?”
JP: “I couldn’t even tell you what the Kyle Line phone actually is.”
There is CCTV of him entering the Co-op in Abergele.
PW: “You are on the phone as you’re going into the Co-op.”
JP: “Yep.”
PW: “The visit was very short. Was there any reason for that?”
JP: “No reason for that. David asked me. I was sitting in the house. He said do you want to get out the house for a bit, and I did. That’s my reason for going to North Wales.”
Mr Wright says the vehicle returned to Liverpool in the early evening
PW: “Did anything happen in respect of the Hyundai on the trip?”
JP: “On the way back we was actually in a collision. A woman went into the back of us at traffic lights. We pulled up, got out, sorted the car out and continued on.”
PW: “Was there a concern about that event?”
JP: “There was a concern. We’d been crashed into. You’ve got to pull over and give your details. I wasn’t driving the car, David McCaig was. I couldn’t even tell you if they exchanged details. That’s my knowledge. We was in the collision. He’s got out the car. We’ve travelled home then.”
PW: “Did anything happen to the Hyundai?”
JP: “We got hit in the back by a big Jee.”
PW: “Did something happen to the car in the days after this bump…where did it end up?”
JP: “It ended up on Redgate Drive.”
PW: “Why was that?”
JP: “Because of the crash it was in supposedly?”
PW: “Whose idea was that?”
JP: “That was Witham’s idea. Obviously it had been in the crash. The next day, after the shooting, the car. Witham had come in the car.
Mr Wright asks him to pause. “We’ll go through those events. I’m just asking about how did the vehicle end up in Redgate Drive.”
JP: “The next day I’d spoke to Kallum. I give Witham the address. I met Witham at Redgate Drive.”
PW: “Whose idea was it to move the car to St Helens?”
JP: “James obviously. James Witham.”
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Peers travelled to Wales 'to get out of the house for a bit'
Mr Wright continues: “I want to turn to events in respect of the Audi and the part exchange and purchase of the Hyundai. The period from Friday the 12th to Monday the 15th of August. Did you have any involvement in the arrangements?”Peers replies: “No. I didn’t even know that it was part exchanged.”
PW: “Did you travel to the Sale area accompanying Mr Witham or ‘Davo’?”
JP: “No I never travelled to Sale, not with them either. I don’t know anything about them cars.”
PW: “After the purchase had taken place, Mr McCaig and Mr Witham are captured on CCTV back in the Liverpool area. They appear to be in company with Niall Barry. We also see Mr Kershaw is present. Then Sean Zeisz. Were you present at this time?”
JP: “No, I wasn’t present.”
PW: “The next event is the 16th of August, through to the 18th. This involves events in respect of the Hyundai and any cloned plate that was to be attached to the Hyundai. Were you aware of any plating of the Hyundai?”
JP: “No, I wasn’t aware of any cloned number plates.”
PW: “Later, you accept you were in that vehicle.”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “On the night of the shooting, you accept you were in that vehicle?”
JP: “That’s right yeah.”
PW: “The last sighting of that vehicle in terms of ANPR, travelling east towards Roby, it is on its correct registration number. Were you ever involved in plating that Hyundai vehicle?”
JP: “Definitely not, no.”
Mr Wright moves on to August 16.
PW: “We see a number of attempts and contact between you and Kallum Radford. Do you recall getting in touch with him?”
JP: “I can. I think Kallum and I are both a nightmare to get hold of at the best of times. I can’t remember if I spoke to him. I can’t remember what we spoke about.”
PW: “Would there be any reason to contact him in respect of the Hyundai.”
JP: “No, definitely not. No.”
JP: “Would there be anything extraordinary about you having contact Kallum Radford or him having contacted you?”
JP: “No”.
Mr Wright moves onto August 19, and “the trip of the Hyundai to Wales.
PW: “Do you accept you travelled in that car that day?”
JP: “I was in the car that day, I travelled to Wales yeah.”
Mr Wright says he was seen on CCTV at Pilch Lane shortly before 1pm.
PW: “What was the background to any trip to North Wales?”
JP: “There was no background. I was at home. David McCaig and Witham come to my mother’s address. I was sitting in the house doing nothing. David asked me if I wanted to get out of the house for a couple of hours, which happened to be this trip to North Wales. I went with them.”
The CCTV is displayed, showing Mr McCaig Barry, Witham and Peers leaving the Pilch lane flat, then heading to North Wales.
PW: “Was there any other reason to travel to North Wales that you were aware of?”
JP: “No, no other reason.”
PW: “The cell siting of your phone and other phones is captured. We can see further activity involving the Kyle Line and a number attributable to Cathy Doyle. Were you a user of that phone the Kyle Line?”
JP: “I couldn’t even tell you what the Kyle Line phone actually is.”
There is CCTV of him entering the Co-op in Abergele.
PW: “You are on the phone as you’re going into the Co-op.”
JP: “Yep.”
PW: “The visit was very short. Was there any reason for that?”
JP: “No reason for that. David asked me. I was sitting in the house. He said do you want to get out the house for a bit, and I did. That’s my reason for going to North Wales.”
Mr Wright says the vehicle returned to Liverpool in the early evening
PW: “Did anything happen in respect of the Hyundai on the trip?”
JP: “On the way back we was actually in a collision. A woman went into the back of us at traffic lights. We pulled up, got out, sorted the car out and continued on.”
PW: “Was there a concern about that event?”
JP: “There was a concern. We’d been crashed into. You’ve got to pull over and give your details. I wasn’t driving the car, David McCaig was. I couldn’t even tell you if they exchanged details. That’s my knowledge. We was in the collision. He’s got out the car. We’ve travelled home then.”
PW: “Did anything happen to the Hyundai?”
JP: “We got hit in the back by a big Jee.”
PW: “Did something happen to the car in the days after this bump…where did it end up?”
JP: “It ended up on Redgate Drive.”
PW: “Why was that?”
JP: “Because of the crash it was in supposedly?”
PW: “Whose idea was that?”
JP: “That was Witham’s idea. Obviously it had been in the crash. The next day, after the shooting, the car. Witham had come in the car.
Mr Wright asks him to pause. “We’ll go through those events. I’m just asking about how did the vehicle end up in Redgate Drive.”
JP: “The next day I’d spoke to Kallum. I give Witham the address. I met Witham at Redgate Drive.”
PW: “Whose idea was it to move the car to St Helens?”
JP: “James obviously. James Witham.”
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13:05JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
At 7.45pm, Peers is seen on CCTV entering the Pilch Lane flat with Witham and Fitzgibbon.
Mr Wright asks if he can recall returning from Wales.
JP: “I can’t recall coming home from Wales. I can remember popping home into my mum’s. I can’t actually recall what I did as I come home.”
PW: “It appears from the available material that you return to 267 Pilch Lane and go in to number 267.”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “We now go to the early hours of the next day. Having gone into 267 Pilch Lane with others at about 19.45, the next record involving you is at 22 minutes past midnight you appeared to be getting into a taxi together with an unidentified person. Do you recall getting a taxi that night?”
JP: “I do recall getting a taxi and getting dropped off in front of my mum’s. I can’t remember who it was with though.”
PW: “Can you recall who was in the flat?”
JP: “I think it was just the lads. Niall, Ian. I don’t know whether Sean was there. I cannot recall to be honest who was in the flat that night.”
PW: “Was anything memorable taking place?”
JP: “Nothing was happening, we were just chilling.”
Mr Wright says Witham purchased a “new pair of trainers” later that day.
This was the pair of On Cloudflyers bought at Taskers Sports in Aintree
PW: “Had you any idea he was about to purchase some trainers?”
JP: “I had no idea no.”
PW: “Had there been any discussion about buying trainers?”
JP: “No discussion about trainees, no.”
PW: “Did you purchase any new trainers?”
JP: “No.”
PW: “So far as Mr Witham is concerned, there’s no indication you were present with him. We know he bought those trainers, the receipt is timed at 11.09. At 11.16, you’re messaging Mr Witham.”
JP: “Yep.”
PW: “He is then speaking to you in a voice call and you him?”
JP: “Yep.”
PW: “This is over a period of time. Was there any specific reason for you to be in contact?”
JP: “Probably to see who was in the flat. I would walk past or go there early.”
PW: “In any phone call, was he informing you he was out buying trainers?
JP: “Not that I can recall, no.”
PW: “The time between calls. There’s over an hour and 15 minutes between the 11.16 call. You’re then seeking to get in touch with Niall Barry. We have here a selection of calls made or received. Are these the only calls you were undertaking over this period?”
JP: “I think so. I can’t recall. I can’t remember?”
PW: “Was there anything in terms of the time scale we see here? From 11.16 to 12.44, an hour and a quarter. Was this a dedicated phone just to speak with these men, or did you use it more generally than that?”
JP: “No I used it more generally than that?”
PW: “Did you, at this time, have more than one phone, or was that the only phone you had?”
JP: “That was the only phone I had.”
PW: “You’d gone to Spain and then Portugal. You can’t remember the day you returned, but the funeral was on the 10th. It appears your phone actually was activated on August 8.”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “Was that activated by a purchase here in the UK or abroad?”
JP: “It was here in the UK that.”
PW: “How long after your return was it?”
JP: “Erm. I couldn’t even tell you.”
PW: “While you were in Spain and Portugal, did you have a phone?”
JP: “I had one, I lost it. I had an iPhone. I lost it while I was in Barcelona. I never had one in the end.”
PW: “You lost it after there’d been contact with Zeisz?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “You were not in a position to send any images of you and him enjoying yourself?”
JP: “No.”
PW: “We’ve seen the image sent, that was from Zeisz?”
JP: “That’s because I lost my phone, yeah.”
PW: “After your return you obtain another device?”
JP: “A new handset, yeah.”
PW: “You then used it throughout the period until well after the shooting had taken place?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “Did you have any other phone at this time?”
JP: “No that’s the only phone I had at that time.”
Mr Wright returns to “phone traffic” on August 20.
PW: “By 14.39 that afternoon, there appears to be a call of one minute and three seconds between Mr Barry’s phone and your phone. The cell siting is in the same L14 area.”
JP: “That phone call is probably to say, are you in the flat?”
PW: “Did you go to the flat.”
JP: “Yeah I did go to the flat, yeah.”
PW: “What was the reason for going to the flat?”
JP: “Just to chill out for a few hours.”
PW: “Was there any other reason?”
JP: “Erm, not at that particular time. We was watching the fight later that night. At that time, we were going just to chill.”
PW: “You appear to go in and out of 267. You’ve not been in the flat by this time. You’ve been with Mr Fitzgibbon entering Go Local. How was it you met up?”
JP: “I spoke to Ian earlier on.”
He says they were “dropped off by the bus stop”
Mr Wright says he is later seen exiting the flat and purchasing items in Go Local.
PW: “Do you have any recollection what you were up to?”
JP: “No, I can recall I’ve seen the lads in the barbers shop. I think I might have even called in the shop on Pilchy where Lucy works. That’s my area, I know loads of people. Whether it’s the barber’s shop or the sweet shop or Shakes and Cakes.”
PW: “I’ll put it another way. Were you up to anything at that time?”
JP: “No.”
PW: “Were you up to planning anything at that time?”
JP: “Definitely not.”
PW: “Were you involved in the planning of anything at that time?”
JP: “No.”
The court will now break for lunch, resuming at 2.10pm.
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Peers 'was not up to planning anything in hours before the shooting'
Mr Wright says shortly after 7pm on August 19, the Hyundai is seen passing by the Pilch Lane flat.At 7.45pm, Peers is seen on CCTV entering the Pilch Lane flat with Witham and Fitzgibbon.
Mr Wright asks if he can recall returning from Wales.
JP: “I can’t recall coming home from Wales. I can remember popping home into my mum’s. I can’t actually recall what I did as I come home.”
PW: “It appears from the available material that you return to 267 Pilch Lane and go in to number 267.”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “We now go to the early hours of the next day. Having gone into 267 Pilch Lane with others at about 19.45, the next record involving you is at 22 minutes past midnight you appeared to be getting into a taxi together with an unidentified person. Do you recall getting a taxi that night?”
JP: “I do recall getting a taxi and getting dropped off in front of my mum’s. I can’t remember who it was with though.”
PW: “Can you recall who was in the flat?”
JP: “I think it was just the lads. Niall, Ian. I don’t know whether Sean was there. I cannot recall to be honest who was in the flat that night.”
PW: “Was anything memorable taking place?”
JP: “Nothing was happening, we were just chilling.”
Mr Wright says Witham purchased a “new pair of trainers” later that day.
This was the pair of On Cloudflyers bought at Taskers Sports in Aintree
PW: “Had you any idea he was about to purchase some trainers?”
JP: “I had no idea no.”
PW: “Had there been any discussion about buying trainers?”
JP: “No discussion about trainees, no.”
PW: “Did you purchase any new trainers?”
JP: “No.”
PW: “So far as Mr Witham is concerned, there’s no indication you were present with him. We know he bought those trainers, the receipt is timed at 11.09. At 11.16, you’re messaging Mr Witham.”
JP: “Yep.”
PW: “He is then speaking to you in a voice call and you him?”
JP: “Yep.”
PW: “This is over a period of time. Was there any specific reason for you to be in contact?”
JP: “Probably to see who was in the flat. I would walk past or go there early.”
PW: “In any phone call, was he informing you he was out buying trainers?
JP: “Not that I can recall, no.”
PW: “The time between calls. There’s over an hour and 15 minutes between the 11.16 call. You’re then seeking to get in touch with Niall Barry. We have here a selection of calls made or received. Are these the only calls you were undertaking over this period?”
JP: “I think so. I can’t recall. I can’t remember?”
PW: “Was there anything in terms of the time scale we see here? From 11.16 to 12.44, an hour and a quarter. Was this a dedicated phone just to speak with these men, or did you use it more generally than that?”
JP: “No I used it more generally than that?”
PW: “Did you, at this time, have more than one phone, or was that the only phone you had?”
JP: “That was the only phone I had.”
PW: “You’d gone to Spain and then Portugal. You can’t remember the day you returned, but the funeral was on the 10th. It appears your phone actually was activated on August 8.”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “Was that activated by a purchase here in the UK or abroad?”
JP: “It was here in the UK that.”
PW: “How long after your return was it?”
JP: “Erm. I couldn’t even tell you.”
PW: “While you were in Spain and Portugal, did you have a phone?”
JP: “I had one, I lost it. I had an iPhone. I lost it while I was in Barcelona. I never had one in the end.”
PW: “You lost it after there’d been contact with Zeisz?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “You were not in a position to send any images of you and him enjoying yourself?”
JP: “No.”
PW: “We’ve seen the image sent, that was from Zeisz?”
JP: “That’s because I lost my phone, yeah.”
PW: “After your return you obtain another device?”
JP: “A new handset, yeah.”
PW: “You then used it throughout the period until well after the shooting had taken place?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “Did you have any other phone at this time?”
JP: “No that’s the only phone I had at that time.”
Mr Wright returns to “phone traffic” on August 20.
PW: “By 14.39 that afternoon, there appears to be a call of one minute and three seconds between Mr Barry’s phone and your phone. The cell siting is in the same L14 area.”
JP: “That phone call is probably to say, are you in the flat?”
PW: “Did you go to the flat.”
JP: “Yeah I did go to the flat, yeah.”
PW: “What was the reason for going to the flat?”
JP: “Just to chill out for a few hours.”
PW: “Was there any other reason?”
JP: “Erm, not at that particular time. We was watching the fight later that night. At that time, we were going just to chill.”
PW: “You appear to go in and out of 267. You’ve not been in the flat by this time. You’ve been with Mr Fitzgibbon entering Go Local. How was it you met up?”
JP: “I spoke to Ian earlier on.”
He says they were “dropped off by the bus stop”
Mr Wright says he is later seen exiting the flat and purchasing items in Go Local.
PW: “Do you have any recollection what you were up to?”
JP: “No, I can recall I’ve seen the lads in the barbers shop. I think I might have even called in the shop on Pilchy where Lucy works. That’s my area, I know loads of people. Whether it’s the barber’s shop or the sweet shop or Shakes and Cakes.”
PW: “I’ll put it another way. Were you up to anything at that time?”
JP: “No.”
PW: “Were you up to planning anything at that time?”
JP: “Definitely not.”
PW: “Were you involved in the planning of anything at that time?”
JP: “No.”
The court will now break for lunch, resuming at 2.10pm.
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I've followed too many of these trials now. It's like groundhog day when these defendants take the stand:
'I keep losing mobile phones, completely by accident''
'I didn't notice any tension at the funeral'
'I travelled hundreds of miles from Liverpool to Glastonbury hoping to get a day ticket' (for a festival which does not sell day tickets)
'I went to North Wales to get out of the house for a bit, not related to a county line drug operation or to change number plates at all, I had no idea!'
'we ditched the car on a stranger's drive because... it had been in a crash? Don't ask me it was the other bloke's idea!'
'I keep losing mobile phones, completely by accident''
'I didn't notice any tension at the funeral'
'I travelled hundreds of miles from Liverpool to Glastonbury hoping to get a day ticket' (for a festival which does not sell day tickets)
'I went to North Wales to get out of the house for a bit, not related to a county line drug operation or to change number plates at all, I had no idea!'
'we ditched the car on a stranger's drive because... it had been in a crash? Don't ask me it was the other bloke's idea!'
If that was the case would the judge not have turned to Witham's barrister and asked him to confirm in open court whether or not their case was calling any witnesses?
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I wonder if any of them are waiting to see how JP's cross-examination goes before they decide whether to testify.
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Am not sure. It would seem reasonable for that to happen, but I don't actually know whether there is any rule about the order of testimony, when there are multiple defendants. I just expected Witham to go first.
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That's very possible.
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14:25JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
PW: “We can see one of the purchases that was made. You appear, between you, to make a number of purchases of various items. Of sweets or foodstuffs and other items?”
Peers replies: “That’s correct yeah
PW: “You also purchase some drinks?”
JP: “That’s correct yeah.”
PW: “You make the purchase of what appears to be the top up for Mr Barry’s new phone?”
JP: “Yeah, that’s correct.”
PW: “The purchase of that top up appears to be a separate transaction with a separate note being produced in order to pay for it.”
JP: “That’s correct.”
PW: “You accept that purchase was made by you.”
He agrees.
JP: “Niall asked me can I get him a credit. You’ll need £20. And I got him the credit.”
PW: “Did you thereafter remain in the flat for a period of time?”
JP: “Yeah I remained in the flat yeah.”
PW: “On occasions did you leave in the company of others?”
JP: “I remember going the shop, or coming out the shop or something like that. I come out once I think.”
The CCTV shows him leaving with Witham and Fitzgibbon in the direction of Wyndham Avenue shortly after 7.45pm.
The Hyundai is then seen leaving Wyndham Avenue and travelling along Pilch Lane within “just over five minutes”
JP: “I got into the back of the car.”
PW: “We can see the cell siting of your phone over this period of time, 19.50. And indeed a minute and a half later the cell siting of both the Witham and Fitzgibbon phone.”
He is asked about the subsequent journey.
“I think we travelled to Geoffreys Crescent. We picked some hash up from a lad who I have not named in this. We travelled to the sweet shop, Dean’s Discounts, and that’s where we ended up,”
Peers and Witham are seen on CCTV in Adisco Food and Wine shortly after 8pm.
Mr Wright asks about “an apparent change in footwear”.
He asks him of the footwear he is seen wearing in Adisco
Peers says: “I never disposed of them footwear, no. They were in my mother’s”.
PW: “The police have not carried out any search of 28 Woodlands Road, Huyton, during these proceedings, save for on September 5 when they were only lawfully permitted to search for you.”
JP: “That’s correct yeah.”
PW: “Was there any attempt by you to dispose of anything?”
JP: “There was no attempt to dispose of anything.”
PW: “We see the clothing you’re wearing at that time. Any attempt to dispose of clothing?”
JP: “No attempt, no.”
14:32JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
Peers replies: “Yeah I did return to the flat."
PW: “You appear to be carrying blue plastic bags?”
JP: “That’s right yeah.”
He is asked what he purchased.
JP: “Sweets, two packs of strawberry and lime Kopperberg, Dairy Milks, chewing gum, Wine Gums, just general bits.”
PW: “We see a silver Mercedes appearing on the road in the vicinity of 267 Pilch Lane. At 21.14, just after this vehicle has driven by, the Zeisz phone is making a call to your phone. And you are in 267 Pilch Lane at this time. We can see Mr Zeisz arriving at the flat. Is there anything unusual about Mr Zeisz trying to contact you?”
JP: “I invited him, I asked him earlier that day do you want to come and watch the boxing. I’m going the flat, do you want to call over…I was watching the boxing at home with my dad, but I knew the lads in the flat were watching it also. I waited for Sean to come. My intention, I was going home to watch the boxing with my dad. I spoke to Sean before I got there. I was going to stay and watch it with them, even though I was already going home.”
PW: “Had you made any firm arrangements at that time where you were going to view the boxing?”
JP: “Not firm no.”
PW: “You had spoke about watching it with the lads at the flat, going home and watching it with your father?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “We see Mr Zeisz arriving at 21.19?”
JP: “Obviously I’d spoke to me dad before I got to the flat. I was originally watching the boxing with me dad, in me mother’s.”
Mr Wright says the call from Zeisz did not connect.
PW: “The cell site, 20.50, places you in the vicinity of 267 Pilch Lane. The last recorded event for your phone is that event at 20.50 until 23.09. Which is some two minutes after the ANPR has captured the Hyundai in the Roby, Huyton area travelling east in the vicinity of your home.”
Peers says he was “dropped off home”.
PW: “What happened to your phone in the period after 20.50?”
JP: “Nothing happened to my phone. I was in the flat. I just never used it.”
PW: “Was there anything in particular you used to do, any particular habit?”
JP: “I used to put my phone on do not disturb on a regular basis. That’s more than likely what happened here.”
PW: “Was there any underlying reason?”
JP: “No, no reason.”
PW: “Were you planning anything to occur later that evening?”
JP: “No I wasn’t
PW: “Did you have anything in mind other than watching the boxing?”
JP: “No, just to watch the boxing.”
PW: “At this time, did you have any particular interest in professional boxing?”
JP: “Yeah, I did.”
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Peers 'never made any attempt to dispose of trainers'
Mr Wright continues his questioning. He displays some CCTV footage on the screens, and says Peers and Fitzgibbon are seen entering the Go Local store on Pilch Lane at around 5.45pm on August 20, 2022, and “making a number of purchases”.PW: “We can see one of the purchases that was made. You appear, between you, to make a number of purchases of various items. Of sweets or foodstuffs and other items?”
Peers replies: “That’s correct yeah
PW: “You also purchase some drinks?”
JP: “That’s correct yeah.”
PW: “You make the purchase of what appears to be the top up for Mr Barry’s new phone?”
JP: “Yeah, that’s correct.”
PW: “The purchase of that top up appears to be a separate transaction with a separate note being produced in order to pay for it.”
JP: “That’s correct.”
PW: “You accept that purchase was made by you.”
He agrees.
JP: “Niall asked me can I get him a credit. You’ll need £20. And I got him the credit.”
PW: “Did you thereafter remain in the flat for a period of time?”
JP: “Yeah I remained in the flat yeah.”
PW: “On occasions did you leave in the company of others?”
JP: “I remember going the shop, or coming out the shop or something like that. I come out once I think.”
The CCTV shows him leaving with Witham and Fitzgibbon in the direction of Wyndham Avenue shortly after 7.45pm.
The Hyundai is then seen leaving Wyndham Avenue and travelling along Pilch Lane within “just over five minutes”
JP: “I got into the back of the car.”
PW: “We can see the cell siting of your phone over this period of time, 19.50. And indeed a minute and a half later the cell siting of both the Witham and Fitzgibbon phone.”
He is asked about the subsequent journey.
“I think we travelled to Geoffreys Crescent. We picked some hash up from a lad who I have not named in this. We travelled to the sweet shop, Dean’s Discounts, and that’s where we ended up,”
Peers and Witham are seen on CCTV in Adisco Food and Wine shortly after 8pm.
Mr Wright asks about “an apparent change in footwear”.
He asks him of the footwear he is seen wearing in Adisco
Peers says: “I never disposed of them footwear, no. They were in my mother’s”.
PW: “The police have not carried out any search of 28 Woodlands Road, Huyton, during these proceedings, save for on September 5 when they were only lawfully permitted to search for you.”
JP: “That’s correct yeah.”
PW: “Was there any attempt by you to dispose of anything?”
JP: “There was no attempt to dispose of anything.”
PW: “We see the clothing you’re wearing at that time. Any attempt to dispose of clothing?”
JP: “No attempt, no.”
14:32JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
Peers 'planned to watch boxing with dad'
Mr Wright asks: “Did you return to the flat?”Peers replies: “Yeah I did return to the flat."
PW: “You appear to be carrying blue plastic bags?”
JP: “That’s right yeah.”
He is asked what he purchased.
JP: “Sweets, two packs of strawberry and lime Kopperberg, Dairy Milks, chewing gum, Wine Gums, just general bits.”
PW: “We see a silver Mercedes appearing on the road in the vicinity of 267 Pilch Lane. At 21.14, just after this vehicle has driven by, the Zeisz phone is making a call to your phone. And you are in 267 Pilch Lane at this time. We can see Mr Zeisz arriving at the flat. Is there anything unusual about Mr Zeisz trying to contact you?”
JP: “I invited him, I asked him earlier that day do you want to come and watch the boxing. I’m going the flat, do you want to call over…I was watching the boxing at home with my dad, but I knew the lads in the flat were watching it also. I waited for Sean to come. My intention, I was going home to watch the boxing with my dad. I spoke to Sean before I got there. I was going to stay and watch it with them, even though I was already going home.”
PW: “Had you made any firm arrangements at that time where you were going to view the boxing?”
JP: “Not firm no.”
PW: “You had spoke about watching it with the lads at the flat, going home and watching it with your father?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “We see Mr Zeisz arriving at 21.19?”
JP: “Obviously I’d spoke to me dad before I got to the flat. I was originally watching the boxing with me dad, in me mother’s.”
Mr Wright says the call from Zeisz did not connect.
PW: “The cell site, 20.50, places you in the vicinity of 267 Pilch Lane. The last recorded event for your phone is that event at 20.50 until 23.09. Which is some two minutes after the ANPR has captured the Hyundai in the Roby, Huyton area travelling east in the vicinity of your home.”
Peers says he was “dropped off home”.
PW: “What happened to your phone in the period after 20.50?”
JP: “Nothing happened to my phone. I was in the flat. I just never used it.”
PW: “Was there anything in particular you used to do, any particular habit?”
JP: “I used to put my phone on do not disturb on a regular basis. That’s more than likely what happened here.”
PW: “Was there any underlying reason?”
JP: “No, no reason.”
PW: “Were you planning anything to occur later that evening?”
JP: “No I wasn’t
PW: “Did you have anything in mind other than watching the boxing?”
JP: “No, just to watch the boxing.”
PW: “At this time, did you have any particular interest in professional boxing?”
JP: “Yeah, I did.”
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14:44JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
Peers says: “It was on its arse. It was about to run out of battery.”
PW: On its arse? Meaning?”
JP: “The battery was about to run out.”
PW: “What were you planning to do?”
JP: “Go home and charge it while I was watching the fight.”
PW: “We see you leaving at 22.10. What led you to leave at that time?”
JP: “I’d been in the flat all day. I’ve waited for Sean to come see if he was alright. After Sean had come, I said ‘I’m gonna walk home me. I’ve been in here all day cooped up’. I spoke to my dad, give him the heads up I was gonna come home and watch the fight. That’s what I was doing.”
Peers says this had been agreed with his dad earlier.
JP: “I never broke that promise.”
He continues: “I was planning to walk home. When I’ve got to the door, I shouted to the lads I’m getting off. I’ll catch yous tomorrow. And that was it.”
PW: “You decide to leave. You said I’ll see you tomorrow. Did anyone say anything to you?”
JP: “No. Zeisz said something to the lads. Do you want me to grab anything for yous if I come back later?”
Mr Wright says he was “not working at that time”.
PW: “Was there any routine to your life?”
JP: “I never had a set routine. When I come home from Portugal, from Rikki’s funeral, I never had a set routine.”
PW: “Did you have any work on at this time?”
JP: “No I never.”
PW: “These events were at the weekend?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “Some people may wonder what you might be doing coming back after the boxing?”
JP: “It wasn’t like that. I wouldn't have come back. The only reason I would have said that is general chat. If I come back, I’ll bring yous something. It was not like I’m definitely coming back. It’s just the way I speak to the lads.”
PW: “Did they appear to have any regular hours to their lives?”
JP: “Not that I can recall no.”
PW; “If you had gone back in the early hours after the boxing. Whether anyone would have been up. Would you give any thought to that at all?”
JP: “Not really, no.”
Peers says “Everyone replied I don’t want anything” except for Zeisz, who asked for cigarettes.
He says he got these from his mum. Mr Wright asks what happened next.
JP: “I’ve got to the bottom of the steps of the flat. James Witham’s approached me and said you don’t have to walk home, I’ll give you a lift. I said nah I have been in there all day cooped up I want some fresh air, he said come on jump in won’t be long.”
PW: “What did you think would happen then?”
JP: “I’d get dropped off home.”
PW: “Then what happened?”
JP: “From there we drove to David McCaig’s. James Witham said he hadn’t answered his phone from the previous day.”
PW: “Did you have any involvement in that decision?”
JP: “I had no involvement in that decision no. It was just a spur of the minute thing.”
He says they walked towards Wyndham Avenue and “got into the Hyundai, the grey one”.
JP: “It was halfway down the road. You’ve got Wyndham straight down. In the middle there’s a T-junction
He says the car was parked on the t-junction.
JP: “I got into the passenger seat of the Hyundai.”
PW: “Had there been any discussion about going to Mr McCaig’s?”
JP: “We hadn’t, no.”
PW: “Had Mr Witham said anything about what he was planning to do?”
JP: “Not until I got into the passenger seat of the car.”
Mr Wright says Mr McCaig “lived in the opposite direction” to Peers’ home.
JP: “Yep, that’s right. This is why I never get lifts off anyone. I would have walked home, that was me intention.”
PW: “Why did you stay in the car?”
JP: “I thought Witham was just going to take me home. It wasn’t like that when I was in the car.”
PW: “What did you believe was going to happen
JP: “Get in the car and drive straight towards Woodlands Road.”
PW: “You’re travelling in the opposite direction. At that time did you have any second thoughts about staying in the car or not?”
JP: “I did yeah. I spoke me words to Witham saying I’m gonna miss the boxing. I wanted to walk.”
PW: “So what happened?”
JP: “We went to David’s. The gates were shut on the flat. Witham explained he hadn’t been answering the phones since the day before. The car had been in the car crash. Obviously he wanted to know what’s going on with the car. We tried to contact him while we were outside. We were literally there for two minutes and got off.”
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Mr Wright asks: “So far as your battery was concerned, were you aware of the state of it?”Peers says: “It was on its arse. It was about to run out of battery.”
PW: On its arse? Meaning?”
JP: “The battery was about to run out.”
PW: “What were you planning to do?”
JP: “Go home and charge it while I was watching the fight.”
PW: “We see you leaving at 22.10. What led you to leave at that time?”
JP: “I’d been in the flat all day. I’ve waited for Sean to come see if he was alright. After Sean had come, I said ‘I’m gonna walk home me. I’ve been in here all day cooped up’. I spoke to my dad, give him the heads up I was gonna come home and watch the fight. That’s what I was doing.”
Peers says this had been agreed with his dad earlier.
JP: “I never broke that promise.”
He continues: “I was planning to walk home. When I’ve got to the door, I shouted to the lads I’m getting off. I’ll catch yous tomorrow. And that was it.”
PW: “You decide to leave. You said I’ll see you tomorrow. Did anyone say anything to you?”
JP: “No. Zeisz said something to the lads. Do you want me to grab anything for yous if I come back later?”
Mr Wright says he was “not working at that time”.
PW: “Was there any routine to your life?”
JP: “I never had a set routine. When I come home from Portugal, from Rikki’s funeral, I never had a set routine.”
PW: “Did you have any work on at this time?”
JP: “No I never.”
PW: “These events were at the weekend?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “Some people may wonder what you might be doing coming back after the boxing?”
JP: “It wasn’t like that. I wouldn't have come back. The only reason I would have said that is general chat. If I come back, I’ll bring yous something. It was not like I’m definitely coming back. It’s just the way I speak to the lads.”
PW: “Did they appear to have any regular hours to their lives?”
JP: “Not that I can recall no.”
PW; “If you had gone back in the early hours after the boxing. Whether anyone would have been up. Would you give any thought to that at all?”
JP: “Not really, no.”
Peers says “Everyone replied I don’t want anything” except for Zeisz, who asked for cigarettes.
He says he got these from his mum. Mr Wright asks what happened next.
JP: “I’ve got to the bottom of the steps of the flat. James Witham’s approached me and said you don’t have to walk home, I’ll give you a lift. I said nah I have been in there all day cooped up I want some fresh air, he said come on jump in won’t be long.”
PW: “What did you think would happen then?”
JP: “I’d get dropped off home.”
PW: “Then what happened?”
JP: “From there we drove to David McCaig’s. James Witham said he hadn’t answered his phone from the previous day.”
PW: “Did you have any involvement in that decision?”
JP: “I had no involvement in that decision no. It was just a spur of the minute thing.”
He says they walked towards Wyndham Avenue and “got into the Hyundai, the grey one”.
JP: “It was halfway down the road. You’ve got Wyndham straight down. In the middle there’s a T-junction
He says the car was parked on the t-junction.
JP: “I got into the passenger seat of the Hyundai.”
PW: “Had there been any discussion about going to Mr McCaig’s?”
JP: “We hadn’t, no.”
PW: “Had Mr Witham said anything about what he was planning to do?”
JP: “Not until I got into the passenger seat of the car.”
Mr Wright says Mr McCaig “lived in the opposite direction” to Peers’ home.
JP: “Yep, that’s right. This is why I never get lifts off anyone. I would have walked home, that was me intention.”
PW: “Why did you stay in the car?”
JP: “I thought Witham was just going to take me home. It wasn’t like that when I was in the car.”
PW: “What did you believe was going to happen
JP: “Get in the car and drive straight towards Woodlands Road.”
PW: “You’re travelling in the opposite direction. At that time did you have any second thoughts about staying in the car or not?”
JP: “I did yeah. I spoke me words to Witham saying I’m gonna miss the boxing. I wanted to walk.”
PW: “So what happened?”
JP: “We went to David’s. The gates were shut on the flat. Witham explained he hadn’t been answering the phones since the day before. The car had been in the car crash. Obviously he wanted to know what’s going on with the car. We tried to contact him while we were outside. We were literally there for two minutes and got off.”
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14:53KEY EVENT
Peers: “I didn’t know who purchased the car at the time.”
PW: “Did you know whose the car was?”
JP: “I didn’t.”
PW: “In terms of Witham driving that car. Had you spoken to him about what his connection was to that Hyundai?”
JP: “Yeah when I first got in the car at Wyndham Avenue.”
He says he had previously travelled to North Wales in the car with McCaig driving.
PW: “Who did you believe owned the car?”
JP: “Witham. James.”
PW: “What did you believe was happening?”
JP: “I believed I was going straight home, I’d be getting home rapid. I’ve ended up in the car, him speaking to me about this car crash we’ve been in the day before.”
PW: “Mr Witham gives you an explanation why you’re going towards Davo’s?”
JP: “David McCaig’s been blanking his phone. He hadn’t been able to get hold of him all day.”
PW: “What was the connection between Mr McCaig and Mr Witham?”
JP: “The car.”
PW: “How did you know that?”
JP: “The trip to Wales. Witham told me as I got in the car on Wyndam Avenue.”.
PW: “You got to Davo’s. Which is gated. Was there any contact with Mr McCaig?”
JP: “There was no contact with McCaig no.”
PW: “Who was trying to get in contact with him?”
JP: “James. By calling him. He got out at the gate and clicked the button. The gate never opened. He got back in and drove away with me.”
PW: “Where did you then believe you were going?”
JP: “Home.”
PW: “Did you go home?”
JP: “No. I ended up coming back over onto Pilch Lane. He asked could I call to get him hash. I did. I called a lad called Barry Westall three times. I met him with James on Huyton House Road. Witham didn’t know anyone. I had Barry Westall’s number, I knew he sold hash. I used Jay’s phone for him. He answered, I met him on the Huyton House Road.
“Eight minutes after you left the flat at Pilch Lane, Mr Fitzgibbon is messaging Mr Witham. Were you aware of any communication involving Mr Fitzgibbon with Mr Witham?”
JP: “I wasn’t looking at no one else’s phone, no. I wasn’t even looking at me own.”
PW: “The CCTV located in that area around Glen Road and Broad Green Road captures events where two vehicles together go into that area and come out two minutes and 26 seconds later. Was that you?”
JP: “I was in the Hyundai with James, yeah. I was in the passenger seat.”
PW: “What happened?”
JP: “Nothing happened, that was on our way back from David McCaig’s.”
PW: “We see this vehicle going into that area and appearing to go into Glen Road. We know Glen Road is a cul de sac, and the vehicle comes out and then retraces its steps all the way back to the junction and away. What was happening there?”
JP: “Nothing was happening. James got lost as we come in. We’ve been into Davo’s as we’ve come out, we’ve come out the wrong way. He’s took a left onto Glen Road. He should have carried on but he never. No explanation for that. By this time obviously I’m fuming, I wanted to go home to watch the boxing. That’s when we headed back home.”
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Mr Wright asks: “Who had purchased the Hyundai?”Peers: “I didn’t know who purchased the car at the time.”
PW: “Did you know whose the car was?”
JP: “I didn’t.”
PW: “In terms of Witham driving that car. Had you spoken to him about what his connection was to that Hyundai?”
JP: “Yeah when I first got in the car at Wyndham Avenue.”
He says he had previously travelled to North Wales in the car with McCaig driving.
PW: “Who did you believe owned the car?”
JP: “Witham. James.”
PW: “What did you believe was happening?”
JP: “I believed I was going straight home, I’d be getting home rapid. I’ve ended up in the car, him speaking to me about this car crash we’ve been in the day before.”
PW: “Mr Witham gives you an explanation why you’re going towards Davo’s?”
JP: “David McCaig’s been blanking his phone. He hadn’t been able to get hold of him all day.”
PW: “What was the connection between Mr McCaig and Mr Witham?”
JP: “The car.”
PW: “How did you know that?”
JP: “The trip to Wales. Witham told me as I got in the car on Wyndam Avenue.”.
PW: “You got to Davo’s. Which is gated. Was there any contact with Mr McCaig?”
JP: “There was no contact with McCaig no.”
PW: “Who was trying to get in contact with him?”
JP: “James. By calling him. He got out at the gate and clicked the button. The gate never opened. He got back in and drove away with me.”
PW: “Where did you then believe you were going?”
JP: “Home.”
PW: “Did you go home?”
JP: “No. I ended up coming back over onto Pilch Lane. He asked could I call to get him hash. I did. I called a lad called Barry Westall three times. I met him with James on Huyton House Road. Witham didn’t know anyone. I had Barry Westall’s number, I knew he sold hash. I used Jay’s phone for him. He answered, I met him on the Huyton House Road.
“Eight minutes after you left the flat at Pilch Lane, Mr Fitzgibbon is messaging Mr Witham. Were you aware of any communication involving Mr Fitzgibbon with Mr Witham?”
JP: “I wasn’t looking at no one else’s phone, no. I wasn’t even looking at me own.”
PW: “The CCTV located in that area around Glen Road and Broad Green Road captures events where two vehicles together go into that area and come out two minutes and 26 seconds later. Was that you?”
JP: “I was in the Hyundai with James, yeah. I was in the passenger seat.”
PW: “What happened?”
JP: “Nothing happened, that was on our way back from David McCaig’s.”
PW: “We see this vehicle going into that area and appearing to go into Glen Road. We know Glen Road is a cul de sac, and the vehicle comes out and then retraces its steps all the way back to the junction and away. What was happening there?”
JP: “Nothing was happening. James got lost as we come in. We’ve been into Davo’s as we’ve come out, we’ve come out the wrong way. He’s took a left onto Glen Road. He should have carried on but he never. No explanation for that. By this time obviously I’m fuming, I wanted to go home to watch the boxing. That’s when we headed back home.”
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15:08KEY EVENT
The Zeisz and Fitzgibbon phones then attempt to call him at 11.05 and 11.06pm.
Peers says his phone was on do not disturb mode at this time.
PW: “Was there any underlying reason to go into Glen Road?”
JP: “No, that’s what confused me the most. When I’ve asked to be dropped off, I’ve ended up going to David McCaig’s about a car what had been in a crash the day before. I’ve ended up going out me way to come back, picked some weed up for him and then be dropped off. He knew I wanted to go home and walk home.”
PW: “I think the answer to my question is no. You have given that account.”
JP: “No.”
The Hyundai then activates an ANPR camera at 11.07pm.
There is then activity on Peers’ phone at 11.09pm.
PW: “There appears to be a 23 second connection between the Zeisz phone and your phone.”
JP: “I’d been dropped off on the Church Road. I got a call off Mr Zeisz which I answered.”
JP: “I walked all the way up the pathway. I had the 23 second phone call to Mr Zeisz on the way down the alleyway.”
PW: “What was it about?”
JP: “It was to say I’m home, if I come back later I’ll bring you some bifters.”
PW: “How was it that your phone was able to receive a phone call?”
JP: “I’m not sure
PW: “Previously you told us you’d put your phone on do not disturb.”
JP: “Do not disturb just means your notifications don’t come through, messages and that. I’m walking down, I’d been on my phone. I answered my phone.”
PW: “What was being said initially after you picked up?”
JP: “I said I’m getting home. I’m just getting in now. He was like sweet sweet, if you come back later grab some bifters off your mum. I said alright. I went home. As I’ve got to the alleyway, I’ve come through that. Our back gate, our dog’s in the back garden. I’ve shouted over. My dad heard the dog barking.”
Peers said he “never had a key”
PW: “What’s your usual way of getting in?”
JP: “Either shouting over the back gate or climbing over the back gate. I’d climb over the little side fence and climb over.”
PW: “What happened?”
JP: “The dog’s been barking. My dad’s opened the front door. My dad’s opened the door and I’ve went in.”
PW: “Who was up at that time?”
JP: “My dad was downstairs, my mum was upstairs.”
Mr Wright asks what he did next.
JP: “I kicked my shoes off. I was having a chat with my dad, made a cup of tea. My dad said make your mum a brew, take it up to her. That was that. I was messing about with the dog in the hallway, I’ve took my mum a cup of tea. As I was on my way upstairs I shouted my dad, slap my phone on charge please.”
He says he “chilled out” with his mum “for a minute” before “slapping his pyjamas on” and going back downstairs to watch the fight.
Mr Wright says that at 23.18, CCTV shows a grey Hyundai on Childwall Lane.
PW: “Were you in the Hyundai at that time?”
JP: “No I was not.”
PW: “The Hyundai is later captured in the vicinity of Broad Green Primary School turning into Donegal Road, reversing back onto Oak Hill Road and heading in the direction of Leinster Road. Were you in the Hyundai at that time?”
JP: “No I was not.”
The car is then seen heading into and out of Leinster Road
PW: “Were you in the Hyundai at that time?”
JP: “No I was not.”
Mr Wright turns to 12.33am, when the car is again seen on Leinster Road.
PW: “Were you present in Leinster Road at that time?”
JP: “No I was not no.”
PW: “Ashley made a voice call to Lee Harrison but didn’t speak during that time. There is a 999 call at 41 minutes past midnight. Were you involved in the shooting of Ashley Dale?”
JP: “I was definitely not involved in the shooting of Ashley Dale.”
PW: “Did you travel to Leinster Road at any time that night?”
JP: “No I most definitely did not.”
PW: “Did you accompany Mr Witham on any trip to the area of Leinster Road that night?”
JP: “No, not to Leinster Road.”
PW: “Did you know he had access to a firearm.”
JP: “I did not know he had access to a firearm.”
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'I did not travel to Leinster Road'
Mr Wright says there is an attempt by Barry to call Peers at 10.43pm.The Zeisz and Fitzgibbon phones then attempt to call him at 11.05 and 11.06pm.
Peers says his phone was on do not disturb mode at this time.
PW: “Was there any underlying reason to go into Glen Road?”
JP: “No, that’s what confused me the most. When I’ve asked to be dropped off, I’ve ended up going to David McCaig’s about a car what had been in a crash the day before. I’ve ended up going out me way to come back, picked some weed up for him and then be dropped off. He knew I wanted to go home and walk home.”
PW: “I think the answer to my question is no. You have given that account.”
JP: “No.”
The Hyundai then activates an ANPR camera at 11.07pm.
There is then activity on Peers’ phone at 11.09pm.
PW: “There appears to be a 23 second connection between the Zeisz phone and your phone.”
JP: “I’d been dropped off on the Church Road. I got a call off Mr Zeisz which I answered.”
JP: “I walked all the way up the pathway. I had the 23 second phone call to Mr Zeisz on the way down the alleyway.”
PW: “What was it about?”
JP: “It was to say I’m home, if I come back later I’ll bring you some bifters.”
PW: “How was it that your phone was able to receive a phone call?”
JP: “I’m not sure
PW: “Previously you told us you’d put your phone on do not disturb.”
JP: “Do not disturb just means your notifications don’t come through, messages and that. I’m walking down, I’d been on my phone. I answered my phone.”
PW: “What was being said initially after you picked up?”
JP: “I said I’m getting home. I’m just getting in now. He was like sweet sweet, if you come back later grab some bifters off your mum. I said alright. I went home. As I’ve got to the alleyway, I’ve come through that. Our back gate, our dog’s in the back garden. I’ve shouted over. My dad heard the dog barking.”
Peers said he “never had a key”
PW: “What’s your usual way of getting in?”
JP: “Either shouting over the back gate or climbing over the back gate. I’d climb over the little side fence and climb over.”
PW: “What happened?”
JP: “The dog’s been barking. My dad’s opened the front door. My dad’s opened the door and I’ve went in.”
PW: “Who was up at that time?”
JP: “My dad was downstairs, my mum was upstairs.”
Mr Wright asks what he did next.
JP: “I kicked my shoes off. I was having a chat with my dad, made a cup of tea. My dad said make your mum a brew, take it up to her. That was that. I was messing about with the dog in the hallway, I’ve took my mum a cup of tea. As I was on my way upstairs I shouted my dad, slap my phone on charge please.”
He says he “chilled out” with his mum “for a minute” before “slapping his pyjamas on” and going back downstairs to watch the fight.
Mr Wright says that at 23.18, CCTV shows a grey Hyundai on Childwall Lane.
PW: “Were you in the Hyundai at that time?”
JP: “No I was not.”
PW: “The Hyundai is later captured in the vicinity of Broad Green Primary School turning into Donegal Road, reversing back onto Oak Hill Road and heading in the direction of Leinster Road. Were you in the Hyundai at that time?”
JP: “No I was not.”
The car is then seen heading into and out of Leinster Road
PW: “Were you in the Hyundai at that time?”
JP: “No I was not.”
Mr Wright turns to 12.33am, when the car is again seen on Leinster Road.
PW: “Were you present in Leinster Road at that time?”
JP: “No I was not no.”
PW: “Ashley made a voice call to Lee Harrison but didn’t speak during that time. There is a 999 call at 41 minutes past midnight. Were you involved in the shooting of Ashley Dale?”
JP: “I was definitely not involved in the shooting of Ashley Dale.”
PW: “Did you travel to Leinster Road at any time that night?”
JP: “No I most definitely did not.”
PW: “Did you accompany Mr Witham on any trip to the area of Leinster Road that night?”
JP: “No, not to Leinster Road.”
PW: “Did you know he had access to a firearm.”
JP: “I did not know he had access to a firearm.”
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15:35JONATHAN HUMPHRIES
JP: “Can you repeat that for me please?
Mr Wright repeats the question.
JP: “I just missed it I think, from the start, as I’ve just got in. I’ve made a cup of tea, I was speaking to my mum, I’ve come down and it was already on. I’ve watched it until about 10 past 12, the aftermath.”
PW: “The result was announced at approximately nine minutes past midnight. Did you see the result?”
JP: “I seen the result yeah.”
PW: “What were you then intending to do?”
JP: “I probably would have made a piece of toast and a cup of tea, stayed in.”
PW: “You’re in your pyjamas?”
JP: “That’s right.”
PW: “At 43 minutes past midnight, some time later, your phone is cell siting in an area that’s consistent with you being at home at Woodlands Road. Mr Zeisz is making two attempted calls of you.”
JP: “My dad is lazy, he never put it on charge when I’ve gone upstairs. It wasn’t until after the fight I learned he hadn’t put it on charge at all. I’ve gone into the kitchen to make a piece of toast, that’s when I’ve put it on charge. I used my phone, I made a couple of calls as well.”
Mr Wright says he attempted to call Phoebe Birch, and then phoned Zeisz
PW: “What was the purpose in seeking to ring him?”
JP: “That was obviously to check the result.”
PW: “To speak to him about the result?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “It’s only a short call, 19 seconds it would appear?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “There’s a longer call to Phoebe, one minute and 45 seconds.”
JP: ”Yeah, that’s correct.”
PW: “Forgive me, Phoebe contacted you?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “We see a series of calls, you contact Mr Westall. Then Mr Zeisz is contacting you?”
JP: “Barry’s my friend. I speak to him all day most days. There was no reason. I’d seen him previously, I was on my home to watch the watching. I said I’ll give you a bell later after it. That’s what I did yeah.”
PW: “We can see Mr Witham and you in company with each other walking from Page Moss Lane towards the flat.”
JP: “That’s right yeah.”
PW: “And entering the flat at just after 1.25.”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “How did it come about that you were in company with Mr Witham?”
JP: “Just after 1 o clock, not long after I spoke to Mr Zeisz, there was a knock on my house. [The dog] goes mad. My mum has seen a male on the camera and said who’s that, who’s that? I’ve looked out me window and seen it to be Witham. I was not expecting anyone to knock. It was kind of odd. Not many people knock at my house.”
Peers says Witham had not knocked on house in early hours before.
JP: “I’ve been a bit bewildered. I’ve come to the door. He’s said do you want to come back the flat?”
PW: “How did he seem?”
JP: “He just appeared, it was odd for him to knock. He was quiet. It was Witham, the way he was previously.”
PW: “How was he behaving?”
JP: “Just quiet, himself.”
PW: “He’s asking you whether you want to go back to the flat?”
JP: “He just said, what are you doing now. I said getting ready for bed really. Why you knocking this late? He said do you want to come back the flat. I said come ed then, lets go
Peers says he changed and they left for Pilch Lane.
“I didn’t know Witham was going to knock after 1 o clock. I’d spoke to Sean regarding the fight. I didn’t know no one was going to knock. You see Mr Zeisz calling me at 1.18, that’s when I’ve said Witham had knocked at the flat. I’m coming back.”
He says he “grabbed a pack of Lambert and Butler off the side” in his mum’s room”.
JP: “I said why are you on foot, where’s the car? He never said nothing. I never pressed the point. I just said come ed, lets walk. I didn’t suspect nothing had happened, The only thing I was thinking was no one knocks at my house past 1 o clock at night. They know ive got a dog and the dog goes off her head. After I’ve got dropped off he said he was going to his nan’s.”
PW: “Did he disclose to you what he’d done?”
JP: “He didn’t he was just quiet. I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary.”
PW: “Did he disclose to you at any time this evening what he’d done?”
JP: “He never.”
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Mr Wright asks: “The boxing match began at approximately 23.00. The ring walks began for the main events, the first round commenced at approximately 23.15. Did you catch the start of the fight?”JP: “Can you repeat that for me please?
Mr Wright repeats the question.
JP: “I just missed it I think, from the start, as I’ve just got in. I’ve made a cup of tea, I was speaking to my mum, I’ve come down and it was already on. I’ve watched it until about 10 past 12, the aftermath.”
PW: “The result was announced at approximately nine minutes past midnight. Did you see the result?”
JP: “I seen the result yeah.”
PW: “What were you then intending to do?”
JP: “I probably would have made a piece of toast and a cup of tea, stayed in.”
PW: “You’re in your pyjamas?”
JP: “That’s right.”
PW: “At 43 minutes past midnight, some time later, your phone is cell siting in an area that’s consistent with you being at home at Woodlands Road. Mr Zeisz is making two attempted calls of you.”
JP: “My dad is lazy, he never put it on charge when I’ve gone upstairs. It wasn’t until after the fight I learned he hadn’t put it on charge at all. I’ve gone into the kitchen to make a piece of toast, that’s when I’ve put it on charge. I used my phone, I made a couple of calls as well.”
Mr Wright says he attempted to call Phoebe Birch, and then phoned Zeisz
PW: “What was the purpose in seeking to ring him?”
JP: “That was obviously to check the result.”
PW: “To speak to him about the result?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “It’s only a short call, 19 seconds it would appear?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “There’s a longer call to Phoebe, one minute and 45 seconds.”
JP: ”Yeah, that’s correct.”
PW: “Forgive me, Phoebe contacted you?”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “We see a series of calls, you contact Mr Westall. Then Mr Zeisz is contacting you?”
JP: “Barry’s my friend. I speak to him all day most days. There was no reason. I’d seen him previously, I was on my home to watch the watching. I said I’ll give you a bell later after it. That’s what I did yeah.”
PW: “We can see Mr Witham and you in company with each other walking from Page Moss Lane towards the flat.”
JP: “That’s right yeah.”
PW: “And entering the flat at just after 1.25.”
JP: “Yeah.”
PW: “How did it come about that you were in company with Mr Witham?”
JP: “Just after 1 o clock, not long after I spoke to Mr Zeisz, there was a knock on my house. [The dog] goes mad. My mum has seen a male on the camera and said who’s that, who’s that? I’ve looked out me window and seen it to be Witham. I was not expecting anyone to knock. It was kind of odd. Not many people knock at my house.”
Peers says Witham had not knocked on house in early hours before.
JP: “I’ve been a bit bewildered. I’ve come to the door. He’s said do you want to come back the flat?”
PW: “How did he seem?”
JP: “He just appeared, it was odd for him to knock. He was quiet. It was Witham, the way he was previously.”
PW: “How was he behaving?”
JP: “Just quiet, himself.”
PW: “He’s asking you whether you want to go back to the flat?”
JP: “He just said, what are you doing now. I said getting ready for bed really. Why you knocking this late? He said do you want to come back the flat. I said come ed then, lets go
Peers says he changed and they left for Pilch Lane.
“I didn’t know Witham was going to knock after 1 o clock. I’d spoke to Sean regarding the fight. I didn’t know no one was going to knock. You see Mr Zeisz calling me at 1.18, that’s when I’ve said Witham had knocked at the flat. I’m coming back.”
He says he “grabbed a pack of Lambert and Butler off the side” in his mum’s room”.
JP: “I said why are you on foot, where’s the car? He never said nothing. I never pressed the point. I just said come ed, lets walk. I didn’t suspect nothing had happened, The only thing I was thinking was no one knocks at my house past 1 o clock at night. They know ive got a dog and the dog goes off her head. After I’ve got dropped off he said he was going to his nan’s.”
PW: “Did he disclose to you what he’d done?”
JP: “He didn’t he was just quiet. I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary.”
PW: “Did he disclose to you at any time this evening what he’d done?”
JP: “He never.”
That is all the court will hear today.
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So NB was staying at the Pilch lane flat and using an iphone at the time, but didn't have a charger to lend to JP?
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He's seen the evidence and come up with a complete 
and bull story around it hasn't he, whatever his part in the drug dealing/murder was or wasn't.
If he was telling the truth there's no way he'd be able to remember all the minute details in that questioning.
and bull story around it hasn't he, whatever his part in the drug dealing/murder was or wasn't.If he was telling the truth there's no way he'd be able to remember all the minute details in that questioning.
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Yup, likely story eh! Our kids get ipads from school but years before that I still I had a multi charger from Poundland or suchlike for ours and the older kids friends that would drop in.
I suspect peers has been in court MANY times, he's quite chilled about it.
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He comes across v confident and sure of himself. I’m glad he’s taken the stand though, it kind of brings the data the life. Not sure it’s doing any of their cases much good IMO.
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