GUILTY UK - Bobbi-Anne Mcleod,18, ‘did not arrive to meet friends’ Plymouth, 20 Nov 2021 *Arrest*

[ApparentlyInDenial]

I've not read this before , re the witness and where Bobbi was sitting at the bus stop


A passing driver, Stuart Fullard, 54, said he saw McLeod sitting on a metal rail at the bus stop. He noticed her because she was dressed distinctively in ripped jeans with fishnet tights underneath and because she looked so young – the 18-year-old was less than 5ft and could have been mistaken for someone much younger. Fullard has a daughter himself and said he felt nervous for her in the drizzly dark. “But she didn’t look as if she had a care in the world.”



Plymouth mourns Bobbi-Anne McLeod as family’s fears are realised

I always found his account really odd - how, when you're driving in the dark, possibly in traffic, do you notice someone sitting at a bus stop probably 6ft+ from the road to the level of detail that you can describe the tights she's wearing under her jeans?

 

[LouTennant]

I always found his account really odd - how, when you're driving in the dark, possibly in traffic, do you notice someone sitting at a bus stop probably 6ft+ from the road to the level of detail that you can describe the tights she's wearing under her jeans?

I don't find his account odd at all. As people we observe our surroundings and a girl wearing fishnets under ripped jeans is quite rare nowadays. The eyes take in lots of info.

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

I don't find his account odd at all. As people we observe our surroundings and a girl wearing fishnets under ripped jeans is quite rare nowadays. The eyes take in lots of info.

Yeah I know what you mean. If she was sit on the tube opposite me maybe I'd notice, but not while driving in the dark in traffic at such a distance...

 

[JuicyLucy]

Just to go back to the supposed escape attempt, I'm not that surprised about it tbh. I'm guessing the application for bail that was originally scheduled - which, let's face it, was never going to succeed - was a recognition of the fact that the accused knows he's not going to hack it in prison.

That said, I'm wondering whether escape suits are just being used more frequently for prisoners being transported to court now that hearings are often held in non-traditional ways because of Covid, e.g. prisoners appearing by videolink from a different room in the court building. It may be that increasingly prisoners are being held, or kept waiting, in rooms that are not optimally secure so as to keep them distant from each other and protect the prison estate from an uncontrollable outbreak.

Coincidentally, the accused in another case currently under discussion here also appeared this morning in an escape suit, which seems surprising if they really are so rare that court reporters don't recognise them:

UK - Wales. A body of a woman found in a house, St Annes Drive in Llantwit Fardre. 21st NOV 21
Man in court accused of murdering 65-year-old woman

(For a discussion about the difference between green/yellow and blue/yellow suits, this FOIA request and response is useful, if a bit odd: 'Escape risk' / 'E-list' prison uniform - a Freedom of Information request to HM Prison Service)

In other words, escape suits for all (or more, anyway) may just be a recent precautionary innovation rather than an escape attempt having been made by this particular defendant.

JMO

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Just to go back to the supposed escape attempt, I'm not that surprised about it tbh. I'm guessing the application for bail that was originally scheduled - which, let's face it, was never going to succeed - was a recognition of the fact that the accused knows he's not going to hack it in prison.

That said, I'm wondering whether escape suits are just being used more frequently for prisoners being transported to court now that hearings are often held in non-traditional ways because of Covid, e.g. prisoners appearing by videolink from a different room in the court building. It may be that increasingly prisoners are being held, or kept waiting, in rooms that are not optimally secure so as to keep them distant from each other and protect the prison estate from an uncontrollable outbreak.

Coincidentally, the accused in another case currently under discussion here also appeared this morning in an escape suit, which seems surprising if they really are so rare that court reporters don't recognise them:

UK - Wales. A body of a woman found in a house, St Annes Drive in Llantwit Fardre. 21st NOV 21
Man in court accused of murdering 65-year-old woman

(For a discussion about the difference between green/yellow and blue/yellow suits, this FOIA request and response is useful, if a bit odd: 'Escape risk' / 'E-list' prison uniform - a Freedom of Information request to HM Prison Service)

In other words, escape suits for all (or more, anyway) may just be a recent precautionary innovation rather than an escape attempt having been made by this particular defendant.

JMO

Interesting food for thought.

He should still be in grey trackies/similar at this point in the process - you go to any equivalent hearing at a Crown Court and you'll see what I mean. He shouldn't be wearing prison uniform at all, unless there's a very good reason, because he's not a convict.

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Oh there's previous on this issue - apparently being made to wear that suit without justification is a Human Rights Act contravention, and can possibly impact a jury trial if an accused (but not convicted) is seen publicly wearing an escape suit unjustifiably.

 

[Romeo76]

You can be placed in one of them suits if you reach for a custody officers keys, you can be placed in one if you have previous convictions for escaping from custody whether that is police station or prison custody

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

You can be placed in one of them suits if you reach for a custody officers keys, you can be placed in one if you have previous convictions for escaping from custody whether that is police station or prison custody

Good.

 

[Doughy]

Or maybe all the laundry staff are off self-isolating...

 

[Skigh]

Plymouth Tory council leader apologises after he was accused of 'victim blaming' Bobbi-Anne McLeod | Daily Mail Online


A Tory council leader has apologised after he suggested that responsibility should fall on women to protect themselves from aggression.

Nick Kelly spoke out following the disappearance from a bus stop - and subsequent murder - of eighteen-year-old Bobbi-Anne McLeod.

Kelly, Plymouth City Council's Conservative leader, told ITV that 'Everybody has a responsibility not to try to put themselves in a compromising position.'

But the councillor's comment immediately caused uproar on social media and amongst the political opposition. He initially refused to apologise then said sorry the next day.

But his apology has still not been accepted by Labour party councillors, who have demanded a 'full and proper apology', accusing him of using 'victim-blaming rhetoric.'

Cllr Tudor Evans, the Labour Party leader of the opposition on Plymouth City Council, posted: 'It's difficult to conceive of a more insensitive and arrogant thing to say at this time, or, in fact, at any time.'

Cody Ackland, 24, has since been arrested and charged with Bobbi's murder, appearing in Plymouth Magistrates court on Friday.

 

[Smkd]

Plymouth Tory council leader apologises after he was accused of 'victim blaming' Bobbi-Anne McLeod | Daily Mail Online


A Tory council leader has apologised after he suggested that responsibility should fall on women to protect themselves from aggression.

Nick Kelly spoke out following the disappearance from a bus stop - and subsequent murder - of eighteen-year-old Bobbi-Anne McLeod.

Kelly, Plymouth City Council's Conservative leader, told ITV that 'Everybody has a responsibility not to try to put themselves in a compromising position.'

But the councillor's comment immediately caused uproar on social media and amongst the political opposition. He initially refused to apologise then said sorry the next day.

But his apology has still not been accepted by Labour party councillors, who have demanded a 'full and proper apology', accusing him of using 'victim-blaming rhetoric.'

Cllr Tudor Evans, the Labour Party leader of the opposition on Plymouth City Council, posted: 'It's difficult to conceive of a more insensitive and arrogant thing to say at this time, or, in fact, at any time.'

Cody Ackland, 24, has since been arrested and charged with Bobbi's murder, appearing in Plymouth Magistrates court on Friday.

These people are SO out of touch, I swear. Take responsibility how? What are we supposed to do?

I’m finding this particularly annoying because politicians and police spokespersons always talk about taking responsibility, walking down well lit streets and things like that. Yet they fail to do easily actionable things.

The street I live in has only one street light that has been broken for two months now. It is pitch black out there from 5pm or earlier, you cannot see a thing, and it feels super unsafe. It has been reported many times, but there’s a long waiting list and it’s not getting fixed anytime soon. We all pay council tax, but things that could be easy to implement in order to increase safety, such as appropriate lighting, are not done. So they can miss me with their platitudes and victim blaming whenever someone gets killed.

 

[mrazda71]

I add to my previous prediction that he'll have a addiction to addiction and a narcissistic personality.

Not many try & escape custody but those who do must surely be narcissists? To think that they don't deserve to be locked up and to think that they could actually escape ....

Yeah, Cody James may look like a catch but, I think there's going to a lot of grim skeletons coming out of his closet come trial time!

 

[Furore]

I add to my previous prediction that he'll have a addiction to addiction and a narcissistic personality.

Not many try & escape custody but those who do must surely be narcissists? To think that they don't deserve to be locked up and to think that they could actually escape ....

Yeah, Cody James may look like a catch but, I think there's going to a lot of grim skeletons coming out of his closet come trial time!

This is speculation.

Does anyone else feel there is absolute shutdown surrounding this case? Appreciate less time spent looking means less press coverage.

nothing on Reddit, Twitter etc

appreciate many people who have heard or know more likely keeping silent in order not to jeopardise trial but I do just have a bad vibe that there are some really messed up aspects to this case.

 

[JayWill]

I add to my previous prediction that he'll have a addiction to addiction and a narcissistic personality.

Not many try & escape custody but those who do must surely be narcissists? To think that they don't deserve to be locked up and to think that they could actually escape ....

Yeah, Cody James may look like a catch but, I think there's going to a lot of grim skeletons coming out of his closet come trial time!

Yes. I agree and said that pages back.

 

[Kittybunny]

Plymouth Tory council leader apologises after he was accused of 'victim blaming' Bobbi-Anne McLeod | Daily Mail Online


A Tory council leader has apologised after he suggested that responsibility should fall on women to protect themselves from aggression.

Nick Kelly spoke out following the disappearance from a bus stop - and subsequent murder - of eighteen-year-old Bobbi-Anne McLeod.

Kelly, Plymouth City Council's Conservative leader, told ITV that 'Everybody has a responsibility not to try to put themselves in a compromising position.'

But the councillor's comment immediately caused uproar on social media and amongst the political opposition. He initially refused to apologise then said sorry the next day.

But his apology has still not been accepted by Labour party councillors, who have demanded a 'full and proper apology', accusing him of using 'victim-blaming rhetoric.'

Cllr Tudor Evans, the Labour Party leader of the opposition on Plymouth City Council, posted: 'It's difficult to conceive of a more insensitive and arrogant thing to say at this time, or, in fact, at any time.'

Cody Ackland, 24, has since been arrested and charged with Bobbi's murder, appearing in Plymouth Magistrates court on Friday.

This guy cannot be serious. I have a better suggestion, why don't men take responsibility for not abducting and murdering women?

 

[Lilbitcurious]

Oh there's previous on this issue - apparently being made to wear that suit without justification is a Human Rights Act contravention, and can possibly impact a jury trial if an accused (but not convicted) is seen publicly wearing an escape suit unjustifiably.

I just thought because he was taken to Cornwall, different district? Being held in custody in Plymouth? Or is that too simple ?

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

This is speculation.

Does anyone else feel there is absolute shutdown surrounding this case? Appreciate less time spent looking means less press coverage.

nothing on Reddit, Twitter etc

appreciate many people who have heard or know more likely keeping silent in order not to jeopardise trial but I do just have a bad vibe that there are some really messed up aspects to this case.

I agree with you. There’s comparatively little out there for this case. Perhaps the journalists will catch up in the next few days, I don’t know. But there’s not even the usual “he seemed so normal” from a neighbour or absolutely anything like that at all.

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

I just thought because he was taken to Cornwall, different district? Being held in custody in Plymouth? Or is that too simple ?

Well he shouldn’t be in any prison uniform at all unless convicted (unless there’s a damn good reason).

 

[JuicyLucy]

This is speculation.

Does anyone else feel there is absolute shutdown surrounding this case? Appreciate less time spent looking means less press coverage.

nothing on Reddit, Twitter etc

appreciate many people who have heard or know more likely keeping silent in order not to jeopardise trial but I do just have a bad vibe that there are some really messed up aspects to this case.

Well, if there's any significance at all to the escape suit thing, then it might be worth considering that the other, similarly dressed, defendant I mentioned upthread allegedly dismembered his victim with a chainsaw. Afaik, there have been no PM findings mentioned yet with regard to Bobbi-Anne but we might want to look out for them (or their absence from the narrative).

JMO

 

[BabaVanga]

I don’t even think Bobbi has been officially identified yet? Or have I missed this? Is this normal after as many days been found? I know it is her but I read her family we’re to be spared the trauma of identifying but still no official story on it.