GUILTY UK - Bobbi-Anne Mcleod,18, ‘did not arrive to meet friends’ Plymouth, 20 Nov 2021 *Arrest*

[JuicyLucy]

Does this suggest the family couldn’t identify her themselves?

It does read a bit as though dental records or a DNA test were being waited on, doesn't it.

JMO

 

[chimpface]

I wouldn't be surprised if other girls come forward now he's been arrested and other charges are laid against him. Rarely is this sort of behaviour out of the blue. Wouldn't surprise me if there were incidents leading up to it.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Depends how successful his band was seen as being in the local area imo. Lots of schools have aspirational display boards or similar showing what former students are up to, and if he was a bit of a local celebrity there could well have been something up about him that she was familiar with.

Hard to gauge when you're not local and twice their age but from how people are talking I get the impression they were on the cusp of significant success (their split warranted an item in NME). I think they're quite good, if a bit Duranny - judge for yourself:

Rakuda

They'd only played their first headline gig (in a local pub) a month or so back & didn't have many followers. The NME wouldn't have picked up on them without this story.

They were far from being "on the cusp of significant success". This is my field for the organ I work for, and they never touched us. I agree with Doughy, NME only covered as topical and a musician.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

I wouldn't be surprised if other girls come forward now he's been arrested and other charges are laid against him. Rarely is this sort of behaviour out of the blue. Wouldn't surprise me if there were incidents leading up to it.

I think you may be right. Again, shades of Ian Watkins. Even his bandmates knew nothing of his ongoing activities until it all came out.

 

[JennyJukes]

People have talked a lot in this thread about their surprise at how normal/good looking CA is. I've been surprised that no one has commented on his eyes. In every single photo I've seen (and I admit it's only a handful), he looks expressionless and his eyes look dead - for want of a better word. This includes photos from before. There's one which particularly struck me: of him and his bandmates, a normal group gathering together at the pub type photo. The others are all happy smiling, clearly on a night out. He's totally expressionless.

I'm glad someone else think so. That was my first impression having seen CA's instagram but I thought perhaps I was only perceiving it that way because I knew what he had allegedly done. I also didn't want to offend anyone who, like myself, are on the more introverted or neurotypical side, (or indeed, self conscious) and may find pictures/events awkward and not smile. But, I also have experience with a narcissist and I got the impression from CA's instagram that he was very image conscious. He's not smiling in any of the pictures or appearing to enjoy the company of anyone, and his pictures seem to be carefully selected e.g. uploading the ones that show him in an attractive way? My narcissist did not allow me to upload any pictures or mention him unless it presented him in a way that he was happy with. He also avoided pictures if he could. He hid from pictures at social events in case someone uploaded a picture he was not satisfied with. JMO.

 

[Mrs Marple]

I wonder if he was wanted for something else. Any unsolved sex crimes in the area? With a band he would have been moving around a fair bit.

 

[BrianJohnson]

Wow I remember that story. I find it fishy. I also think the reporters know and can’t speak about it.

Bodes badly. Usually means burned or very traumatised.

When Sarah Everard was found it was announced as “human remains” being found, in this case it was a “body has been found” which would suggest that the body was intact and not burned or anything like that?

 

[BrianJohnson]

Does this suggest the family couldn’t identify her themselves?

She was murdered on the Saturday and found on Tuesday/Wednesday? in that time there would be significant decomposing of the body so identifying by dental records or something would be pretty normal a few days after death I would imagine

 

[JuicyLucy]

She was murdered on the Saturday and found on Tuesday/Wednesday? in that time there would be significant decomposing of the body so identifying by dental records or something would be pretty normal a few days after death I would imagine

Not so sure I agree given the current temperatures, but there may be good reasons why visual identification by a family member hasn't been appropriate, e.g. facial trauma, animal interference, or a combination of things. It wouldn't have to be anything lurid.

JMO

 

[Furore]

When Sarah Everard was found it was announced as “human remains” being found, in this case it was a “body has been found” which would suggest that the body was intact and not burned or anything like that?

I’m not sure about police code. From a pathology point of view, remains are not recognisably intact in the sense she was very badly burned, and placed in a bag, and placed underwater outside for a number of days which is a great way to disfigure any creature.

a body can still be burned but look like a body, have plenty on the burns unit! It would be very distressing to see though.
I agree with other posters my gut is other injuries to the face - anything else can be covered up! Or if a body has been left for some time, patterns of bruising and discolouration from blood no longer being circulated, can make people look not very nice. I feel decomposition would be slow in late November in cold temps and on exposure to cold winds.

 

[mrazda71]

Yes. I agree and said that pages back.

So did I - great minds think alike

 

[Doughy]

I wonder if he was wanted for something else. Any unsolved sex crimes in the area? With a band he would have been moving around a fair bit.

His band played a handful of Plymouth pubs; they weren't a big deal. They didn't even have their own headline gig nevermind starting to tour away from their local pubs.

 

[BrianJohnson]

Not so sure I agree given the current temperatures, but there may be good reasons why visual identification by a family member hasn't been appropriate, e.g. facial trauma, animal interference, or a combination of things. It wouldn't have to be anything lurid.

JMO

When Libby Squire was murdered she was dumped in the icy waters of the Humber river and at that time of year the waters would have been brutally cold, yet when she was found it took a significant while to identify her (days/weeks) due to decomposing, even in icy cold waters of the estuary in mid winter

I have no science background at all but just remember Libby’s case as DNA/dental tests needing to be done to identify her

 

[Sarahlou]

When Libby Squire was murdered she was dumped in the icy waters of the Humber river and at that time of year the waters would have been brutally cold, yet when she was found it took a significant while to identify her (days/weeks) due to decomposing, even in icy cold waters of the estuary in mid winter

I have no science background at all but just remember Libby’s case as DNA/dental tests needing to be done to identify her

It did take them about 7 weeks to find Libby though. That's a long time in the water.

 

[JuicyLucy]

And water has special qualities when it comes to decomposition. Bobbi-Anne was found in forested land near the beach afaik. If she'd been found in water it would potentially be a different story. I didn't follow Libby Squires' case but 7 weeks is a vast amount of immersion time, followed by rapid deterioration once removed from the water. I linked to something about the process of decomposition in water on Richard Okorogheye's thread. I will try to find it again.

Perhaps we'll hear more before long.

JMO

ETA: This link contains a lot of technical detail about the way in which immersion in water alters the decomposition process but be warned: it contains some VERY GRAPHIC IMAGES.

Decomposition Changes in Bodies Recovered from Water

 

[charmy]

Another young girl confirmed murdered in Glasgow tonight what a horrendous world we live in when someone can’t go out without this kind of brutal thing happening

 

[taylorss]

I’ve seen comments that there isn’t much reporting on trials in the UK compared to the US …. should we not expect to hear anything further on this for a while?

 

[Furore]

I’ve seen comments that there isn’t much reporting on trials in the UK compared to the US …. should we not expect to hear anything further on this for a while?

It varies widely - this case in particular is very under reported compared to usual so I do wonder why. Others have had insane coverage like Grace Millane and Sarah Everard.

there is an inquest very soon and I think that will provoke interest. At present there isn’t much to say as police been very quiet too.

To whoever asked yes water immersion is highly destructive to decomposition whether cold or not! Meanwhile in cold, especially dry or “frozen” air; decomposition can be very slow. On the extreme end of those conditions, you have the mummies of the Inca.

 

[JayWill]

It varies widely - this case in particular is very under reported compared to usual so I do wonder why. Others have had insane coverage like Grace Millane and Sarah Everard.

there is an inquest very soon and I think that will provoke interest. At present there isn’t much to say as police been very quiet too.

To whoever asked yes water immersion is highly destructive to decomposition whether cold or not! Meanwhile in cold, especially dry or “frozen” air; decomposition can be very slow. On the extreme end of those conditions, you have the mummies of the Inca.

Where I live, their is a man who posts on FB about male violence to women. His sister was murdered by her husband of 18 months. On just about every post he makes there is some man who chimes in with 'What about women's violence to men?'.

 

[Furore]

Where I live, their is a man who posts on FB about male violence to women. His sister was murdered by her husband of 18 months. On just about every post he makes there is some man who chimes in with 'What about women's violence to men?'.

Yeah I think the issue of inter-gender violence is heavily weighted against women, although men are more likely to be victims of murder (but mostly from other males), so I don’t really know why that poster’s comment is necessary. There was actually so much coverage about two women who murdered husbands recently - the one who had a defence upheld about his manipulative coercion and another one who had had multiple husbands and tried to say he had earned it but was generally a wrong’un.

Don’t get me wrong I am female, and promote equality, but sometimes I do feel sorry for boys growing up at the moment with all the constant anti male rhetoric in popular media. That said, the evidence is that like this case, a stronger, heavier man decided he wanted to snatch a petite women, and he did it and she couldn’t stop him, that is such a power discrepancy and it’s a key to gender violence. Most women are not capable of snatching a man off the street/don’t seem to want to do it for sex.