GUILTY UK - Bobbi-Anne Mcleod,18, ‘did not arrive to meet friends’ Plymouth, 20 Nov 2021 *Arrest*

[JayWill]

Yeah I think the issue of inter-gender violence is heavily weighted against women, although men are more likely to be victims of murder (but mostly from other males), so I don’t really know why that poster’s comment is necessary. There was actually so much coverage about two women who murdered husbands recently - the one who had a defence upheld about his manipulative coercion and another one who had had multiple husbands and tried to say he had earned it but was generally a wrong’un.

Don’t get me wrong I am female, and promote equality, but sometimes I do feel sorry for boys growing up at the moment with all the constant anti male rhetoric in popular media. That said, the evidence is that like this case, a stronger, heavier man decided he wanted to snatch a petite women, and he did it and she couldn’t stop him, that is such a power discrepancy and it’s a key to gender violence. Most women are not capable of snatching a man off the street/don’t seem to want to do it for sex.

I believe that now there is so much anti male rhetoric, because it is really just now been seen as a real problem that is not decreasing. Ignoring it has not helped and it pretty much was ignored or downplayed for years and years.

 

[miss-scarlett23]

She was murdered on the Saturday and found on Tuesday/Wednesday? in that time there would be significant decomposing of the body so identifying by dental records or something would be pretty normal a few days after death I would imagine

Has it been confirmed she was murdered on the Saturday?

IMO given that she was found in a forest, I would say that wild animals may of played apart in hindering her identification.

 

[Furore]

Has it been confirmed she was murdered on the Saturday?

IMO given that she was found in a forest, I would say that wild animals may of played apart in hindering her identification.

Do we have any clues as to whether she was buried or exposed?

poor kid. What kind of monster takes a life like that, then leaves her body alone, defenceless, disrespected, somewhere bleak and scary, for animals. It’s unclean and inhuman. This “man” will have priors and I hope he receives whole life.

 

[miss-scarlett23]

Do we have any clues as to whether she was buried or exposed?

poor kid. What kind of monster takes a life like that, then leaves her body alone, defenceless, disrespected, somewhere bleak and scary, for animals. It’s unclean and inhuman. This “man” will have priors and I hope he receives whole life.

I haven't seen anything that suggests if she was buried or exposed, but imo he doesn't strike me as diligent enough to have attempted to cover his despicable crime.

I know there have been a lot of comments on this thread regarding his looks etc. But the one thing that has struck me in all the photos I've seen of him, he's never smiling. Instead he has a smug smirk on his face, that grates on me!

 

[JayWill]

I haven't seen anything that suggests if she was buried or exposed, but imo he doesn't strike me as diligent enough to have attempted to cover his despicable crime.

I know there have been a lot of comments on this thread regarding his looks etc. But the one thing that has struck me in all the photos I've seen of him, he's never smiling. Instead he has a smug smirk on his face, that grates on me!

Yep. Too cool to smile.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Has it been confirmed she was murdered on the Saturday?

IMO given that she was found in a forest, I would say that wild animals may of played apart in hindering her identification.

No. I think the OP was speculating that if she was killed on the Sat. then decomp. would be more advanced. Which could be the reason why dental records may have been used to identify her.

 

[Teeniesmum]

Bobbi's inquest started at 10.00am this morning. Inquest into Bobbi-Anne McLeod's death opens

 

[JosieJo]

Responding to a question from PlymouthLive Mr Arrow confirmed that at this stage a medical cause of death has not yet been "ascertained".

Inquest into Bobbi-Anne McLeod's death opens

 

[Kaykedi]

Responding to a question from PlymouthLive Mr Arrow confirmed that at this stage a medical cause of death has not yet been "ascertained".

Inquest into Bobbi-Anne McLeod's death opens

Thank you for posting this JosieJo

 

[JuicyLucy]

New/salient factual info pulled from the inquest updates:

• Bobbi-Anne was found deceased in a woodland area by a lane between Fort Staddon and Fort Bovisand.
• Police were led to that location as a result of information passed to them (but they haven't said who by).
  
• Cause of death is unascertained as yet.
  
• The police need to retain her body for the time being to continue enquiries.
  
• The inquest has been adjourned pending the outcome of the criminal proceedings (as is standard).

Inquest into Bobbi-Anne McLeod's death opens

 

[Chambo1994]

New/salient factual info pulled from the inquest updates:

• Bobbi-Anne was found deceased in a woodland area by a lane between Fort Staddon and Fort Bovisand.
• Police were led to that location as a result of information passed to them (but they haven't said who by).
  
• Cause of death is unascertained as yet.
  
• The police need to retain her body for the time being to continue enquiries.
  
• The inquest has been adjourned pending the outcome of the criminal proceedings (as is standard).

Inquest into Bobbi-Anne McLeod's death opens

I think there’s two scenarios here reading between the lines

1) he’s fessed up and told them everything. In which case he’ll plead guilty in Jan and all the detail will flow out.

2) he’s confined in someone who ultimately reported it - this would make sense with the double arrest.

Just the timeline of someone handing in her phone and then the information of where the body is etc. There’s just something really really strange about this case.

 

[ToffeeCrisp]

I think there’s two scenarios here reading between the lines

1) he’s fessed up and told them everything. In which case he’ll plead guilty in Jan and all the detail will flow out.

2) he’s confined in someone who ultimately reported it - this would make sense with the double arrest.

Just the timeline of someone handing in her phone and then the information of where the body is etc. There’s just something really really strange about this case.

Totally agree that there's something weird here - I don't follow lots of cases so no real comparison but it just all seems incredibly under wraps... I don't understand why that would be?

 

[taylorss]

Could it be it’s being kept under wraps for reasons related less to the particular crime & more because LE has a new understanding of how instant coverage via media & SM etc can ruin a case? It didn’t used to be that the whole world was watching…..

 

[MrsWatson]

That's a good point, @taylorss. Getting ahead of sub-judice, maybe?

 

[Sarahlou]

I'm not sure what people are expecting to hear at this point to be honest? I don't think we will hear much apart from the cause of death until the trial.

 

[miss-scarlett23]

Could it be it’s being kept under wraps for reasons related less to the particular crime & more because LE has a new understanding of how instant coverage via media & SM etc can ruin a case? It didn’t used to be that the whole world was watching…..

I've noticed this happening with a few recent cases.

 

[taylorss]

I'm not sure what people are expecting to hear at this point to be honest? I don't think we will hear much apart from the cause of death until the trial.

having mostly followed US cases, I’d normally expect to hear chatter & gossip … in particular IMO I’d like to know if the accused has a history of violence, preying on women, impulsive & reckless behavior etc.

Stuff like this, which would be known to his acquaintances etc, often finds its way into US media right away, esp in a notorious crime. (Take a look at the coverage of the Murdaugh situation for ex!! )

But I’ve always heard that UK media is relatively hands-off when it comes to reporting on trials. That made me curious if what feels here like a paucity of info was-
a) normal for the UK;
b) beyond what’s normal for the UK cuz this crime is secretly thought to be extra-explosive and/or problematic; or even
c) the new normal for the UK, as media outlets adjust to the online world’s moving into every inch of space in todays world

MOO

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

having mostly followed US cases, I’d normally expect to hear chatter & gossip … in particular IMO I’d like to know if the accused has a history of violence, preying on women, impulsive & reckless behavior etc.

Stuff like this, which would be known to his acquaintances etc, often finds its way into US media right away, esp in a notorious crime. (Take a look at the coverage of the Murdaugh situation for ex!! )

But I’ve always heard that UK media is relatively hands-off when it comes to reporting on trials. That made me curious if what feels here like a paucity of info was-
a) normal for the UK;
b) beyond what’s normal for the UK cuz this crime is secretly thought to be extra-explosive and/or problematic; or even
c) the new normal for the UK, as media outlets adjust to the online world’s moving into every inch of space in todays world

MOO

For major recent murder cases that come to mind there was a LOT more in the press/social media than for this case. There's usually a mix of:

- Comments from neighbours and more distant friends/relatives
- Info about what the perp did for work
- Some leakage from the police
- Others.

But for this it is completely quiet. All we know is the guy's age, that he was born in Germany and lives in Plymouth, and that he was in a bad. Nothing else.

 

[Sarahlou]

having mostly followed US cases, I’d normally expect to hear chatter & gossip … in particular IMO I’d like to know if the accused has a history of violence, preying on women, impulsive & reckless behavior etc.

Stuff like this, which would be known to his acquaintances etc, often finds its way into US media right away, esp in a notorious crime. (Take a look at the coverage of the Murdaugh situation for ex!! )

But I’ve always heard that UK media is relatively hands-off when it comes to reporting on trials. That made me curious if what feels here like a paucity of info was-
a) normal for the UK;
b) beyond what’s normal for the UK cuz this crime is secretly thought to be extra-explosive and/or problematic; or even
c) the new normal for the UK, as media outlets adjust to the online world’s moving into every inch of space in todays world

MOO

I think it's mostly because of sub judice laws. The media can't go printing things which could affect the trial. Basically what you suggested might be the case in your other post. I think they are more wary now before the trial starts. We've barely heard anything about some other cases too. The nurse who is accused of killing babies comes to mind.

 

[JuicyLucy]

having mostly followed US cases, I’d normally expect to hear chatter & gossip … in particular IMO I’d like to know if the accused has a history of violence, preying on women, impulsive & reckless behavior etc.

Stuff like this, which would be known to his acquaintances etc, often finds its way into US media right away, esp in a notorious crime. (Take a look at the coverage of the Murdaugh situation for ex!! )

But I’ve always heard that UK media is relatively hands-off when it comes to reporting on trials. That made me curious if what feels here like a paucity of info was-
a) normal for the UK;
b) beyond what’s normal for the UK cuz this crime is secretly thought to be extra-explosive and/or problematic; or even
c) the new normal for the UK, as media outlets adjust to the online world’s moving into every inch of space in todays world

MOO

I think there are two things here. One is the application of the sub judice rules, designed to ensure he gets a fair trial and the jury only consider relevant, admissible facts, as @Sarahlou says. In that sense, I think it's all pretty normal for a case where someone has been charged. What perhaps makes things feel a bit ... suppressed ... is that the arrest and charge happened in very short order - almost faster than the case progressed from being a missing inquiry to a murder one - and so the sub judice rules kicked in before anyone had time to discover and say much about him.

But the other is that, as @ApparentlyInDenial says, there seems to be a vacuum where the things people wanted to say should have been (even if they legally couldn't/shouldn't). No one has said what he's like. No one's rushed to his defence, not family, not friends, not his band mates, who were quick to dissociate themselves rather than, e.g., saying they couldn't believe it's true. But equally no one has announced that they always thought he was a wrong'un or a weirdo. No one has even hedged their bets with 'kept himself to himself'. I suspect he is a very insular person and no one really knows him. I don't necessarily see that as sinister, but it makes it hard for the media to get a handle on him - and when the media don't have anything to say, that seems sinister in itself because it's so unusual.

That's my impression anyway, but perhaps there's more to it. If so, I'm sure it will all come out in due course.

JMO