UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #10

[keep-it-real]

mmm....hardened criminals....I think most people think the kidnapping was planned....and I, for one, now think the murder was planned.

if a murder was planned, then they are pretty. nasty criminals or a pretty nasty criminal....I can't see any purpose of just a kidnap except to frighten claudia into changing her ways....but I think it had got beyond that point

Lets make no mistake the type of people you are dealing with when you associate with drug dealers/supliers.. Im not saying its a Birm drug gang Im just using this as an example of the violent revenge drug deallers take out on people
Man guilty of 'vendetta' murder

Now was Claudia the main target or was she associating with a man who was the main target or were they both a target.
Its still incredibly complicated
But for me someone was in the house with her on the evening of the 18th. Its my opinion that there was a drugs contraband drop on Heworth rd that night.
The text that was to sent to SS said how are you nugs? wether that was sent by her or by someone in her home that was part of that activity? The text to me is asking the person how he is and if he wants nugs!

There are texts missing from the whole conversation
but when a mention in another text refers to 'Weather very nice' this relates one of two things the hotter the weather the better bigger bud is produced.
Also weatherman is a street name for a drug dealer.
What did those missing texts say.
So is there possibly a link between Nugs Cannabis), Claudia the person shes texting and someone from cyprus who may have been in the UK at the time.

From what I can make out and again this is all my opinion people were at her door and in and out of her house that night did she know anyone who were around those vehicles caught on the bus cam outside her her home. Did she and a male leave in any of those vehicles, or did they go to a different location that night returning later or did they stay at a different location overnight.
I would like to add here that I think a male had been accompanying her on her walk or part of her walk to and from work in the days leading up to her disappearance.
Has someone else gone missing too!
Theres so much more I could add here but so much of it can be seen on cctv that I would encourage everyone to look in detail at all the cctv clips provided by the NYP website they have so much content on them worth discussing, because in my opinion the edited and smudged out images include some images of Claudia and thats why the people in question will prove so important to the case.
I am happy to share everything I have so if your interested just PM me.

 

[keep-it-real]

what is also interesting is why it was thought that the journalist might find out more than the police had done

More like the journalist would find out what the police had found out.
Might prove tricky for the police to explain away

 

[cortina]

kir....absolutely fascinating posts....I can only echo what you say about drug dealers...my partner used to work with addicts

got to go....ill be looking at all that. cctv footage very, very, carefully

 

[Popejohn3]

Lets make no mistake the type of people you are dealing with when you associate with drug dealers/supliers.. Im not saying its a Birm drug gang Im just using this as an example of the violent revenge drug deallers take out on people
Man guilty of 'vendetta' murder

Now was Claudia the main target or was she associating with a man who was the main target or were they both a target.
Its still incredibly complicated
But for me someone was in the house with her on the evening of the 18th. Its my opinion that there was a drugs contraband drop on Heworth rd that night.
The text that was to sent to SS said how are you nugs? wether that was sent by her or by someone in her home that was part of that activity? The text to me is asking the person how he is and if he wants nugs!

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There are texts missing from the whole conversation
but when a mention in another text refers to 'Weather very nice' this relates one of two things the hotter the weather the better bigger bud is produced.
Also weatherman is a street name for a drug dealer.
What did those missing texts say.
So is there possibly a link between Nugs Cannabis), Claudia the person shes texting and someone from cyprus who may have been in the UK at the time.

From what I can make out and again this is all my opinion people were at her door and in and out of her house that night did she know anyone who were around those vehicles caught on the bus cam outside her her home. Did she and a male leave in any of those vehicles, or did they go to a different location that night returning later or did they stay at a different location overnight.
I would like to add here that I think a male had been accompanying her on her walk or part of her walk to and from work in the days leading up to her disappearance.
Has someone else gone missing too!
Theres so much more I could add here but so much of it can be seen on cctv that I would encourage everyone to look in detail at all the cctv clips provided by the NYP website they have so much content on them worth discussing, because in my opinion the edited and smudged out images include some images of Claudia and thats why the people in question will prove so important to the case.
I am happy to share everything I have so if your interested just PM me.

Very interesting indeed just one point if another person has been accompanying her to and from work why wasn’t he seen with her in cctv?
Also why didn’t jo give him a lift too ?
Just simply observing ...

 

[keep-it-real]

Surely this guy should be recognisable

Is he one of the guys caught on costcutter cctv... I havent been able to reveal the 3rd person yet
Note:- the guy in the light coloured jacket his face has been overlaid with a different face and his hair has also been the subject of change

 

[Popejohn3]

The only person that can recognise the first person with any degree of certainty is himself imo

 

[keep-it-real]

Very interesting indeed just one point if another person has been accompanying her to and from work why wasn’t he seen with her in cctv?
Also why didn’t jo give him a lift too ?
Just simply observing ...

He was caught on cctv at the Uni PJ on the Last known movements of Claudia. crosses the junction and the grass verge he then meets CL and they walk back then over the grass verge in the direction he came.
Remember I said or part of the way home.. did a vehicle stop and pick just him up just before the posting of the letter and thats why a whole section of cctv has been edited.
or did he live between to college ond melrosegate rd PO
I think its the former.

 

[Popejohn3]

He was caught on cctv at the Uni PJ on the Last known movements of Claudia. crosses the junction and the grass verge he then meets CL and they walk back then over the grass verge in the direction he came.
Remember I said or part of the way home.. did a vehicle stop and pick just him up just before the posting of the letter and thats why a whole section of cctv has been edited.
or did he live between to college ond melrosegate rd PO
I think its the former.

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It does look as if there are two people walking together in the last picture

 

[keep-it-real]

certain vehicles are appearing in regularly in cctv footage
Here is just one Im interested.... Silver car
Seen here at the college when CL is leaving work on the 18th
On Heworth rd on weds evening 18th
and Melrosegate rd PO on 19th

 

[keep-it-real]

It does look as if there are two people walking together in the last picture

If you can spend some time replaying and using photo editor just to light darken and enlarge I think it would help give a continium re the figures and their movements

 

[cortina]

I haven't got time to put like on all your posts, kir, but they're totally absorbing.

do you think the man in the. light jacket was an undercover detective and thats why his appearance has been changed

im pretty sure id recognise alley man if. he were a good friend or my brother or partner or someone I saw regularly....especially as we can see the way he walks

 

[Popejohn3]

I haven't got time to put like on all your posts, kir, but they're totally absorbing.

do you think the man in the. light jacket was an undercover detective and thats why his appearance has been changed

im pretty sure id recognise alley man if. he were a good friend or my brother or partner or someone I saw regularly....especially as we can see the way he walks

I’m sorry but if he was an undercover detective the police would not put the spot light on him.

 

[cortina]

yes, you're right, popejohn...so its someone else . but they dont want us to know who it is

 

[keep-it-real]

I haven't got time to put like on all your posts, kir, but they're totally absorbing.

do you think the man in the. light jacket was an undercover detective and thats why his appearance has been changed

im pretty sure id recognise alley man if. he were a good friend or my brother or partner or someone I saw regularly....especially as we can see the way he walks

I dont know who he is yet @cortina Im still working through a pile of stuff.. It would help if we could find out more about the expoliceman boyfriend. name or discription etc

I think local people may well recognise the alleyman but are fearful of coming forward with that information or they have come forward with the information and the police for what ever reasons are not prepared to make it public. You will have decide for yourself why you think that is.

The style of walk is questionable as I have mentioned previously usually there is something more going on thathas been edited or smudged out so bear that in mind and always be curious when you see it and go look at it more closely.

Heres an example:
Take the Last known movents of Claudia cctv clips
Last known movements of Claudia Lawrence

At 1.50 its CCTV footage from the Melrosegate Rd Post Office on 19th March on first viewing you would think you this is various figures walking past the PO in the direction of the Uni, then a figure comes into view walking in the opposite direction, he has a lumbering walk.
But on taking a closer look its a very different story. Im going to talk about the footage from 2.01 onwards for the moment.
I see a dark figure in the distance, who starts running in the direction of the Uni is he pursuing someone. He goes out of sight then reappears now coming towards melsrosegate PO. As they approach the PO I can see there are now two figures the dark figure appears to be wearing camo's and appears to have the lighter person under some sort of control he seems to have the person in face to face carry like hold. Another much taller male is then aiding camo man in restraining the light person moving towards the large vehicle in layby.
Was this light person comprehended because he was witness to what had been happening? and was the figure at 1.52 accompanying a female whose has been blurred out because both of them disappear from the footage around 2.00.
This is paticular cctv footage is difficult to study as there are no on screen settings to slow it down Ive also tried to upload it to VLC media player but it wont load I would be interested to know if anyone else can view it in slow mode or is there a block on it. There is much more I need to sort out before being able to look at it more closely. I am adding some screen shots they arent brilliant for the reasons mentioned but that may help if you enlarge or use close up on them make sure you give your eyes time to adjust when viewing, but this is one will require a lot of your time in viewing, stopping and enlarging individual shots to understand what is going on especially for you to see more clearly the camo man restraining and carrying the light figure.
I should add that there are two vehicles that have been blurred out one large vehicle in the laybay directly outside the PO and one also one further up the layby when I have time I will look to try and make these vehicles clearer.
This may open things up or it may not there is still lots of work to do on the footage prior to 2.o1 which I think may yield something important relating to the first people seen/unseen on the footage and the vehicle furthest away in the layby.
When you view the footage you will see lots of moving blurring around the PO frontage which made me wonder if this an early morning goods delivery to thePO or is this a similar delivery to the one on Heworth Road the evening before?
What originally made me look at the footage more closely was because Peter Lawrence has steadfastly said he believes CL was taken by someone on her walk to work. In a conference call with Ray Galloway in which Galloway says we are now treating this as murder.
The look on Peter face!
Had PL been told/shown immediately prior to that Press Conference evidence of CL actually being taken. And where they can see how it happened they have no idea who the people are that did it or no ones saying who it was.

these are my opinion .. as before please do your own research

This is probably the best shot for getting to see light mans face .

People of interest camo man and other tall male with distinctive hair colour

Tall male distinctive hair colour

Placement of vehicles in layby

 

[keep-it-real]

kir....absolutely fascinating posts....I can only echo what you say about drug dealers...my partner used to work with addicts

got to go....ill be looking at all that. cctv footage very, very, carefully

Just something I think worth noting about the group that carried out the Burnley kidnap revenge attack @cortina
police said: "There was no doubt that this was a pre-meditated and well planned offence committed by a travelling organised crime group who are extremely dangerous, ruthless and violent criminals.

The Lancashire Telegraph also reports on the case
Particularly interesting is that a gold sandy coloured car was one of the cars used in the attack
Witness relives kidnap attack on East Lancashire man

 

[curiosity2]

yes, I think he did, curiosity.....which immediately makes me think malton.

thanks for reminding me....that also makes me think that it was someone from around malton rather than York, because otherwise I dont think he'd have stressed where it happened.....if. someone from a Manchester or liverpool gang threatened you in leafy Cheshire, there wouldn't be the surprise...although I doubt the problems are on the same scale in York...I stand to be corrected

Just a gut feeling I have, but think maybe the victims dad could possibly have made the threats.

 

[keep-it-real]

Melrosegate road Post office CCTV footage of 19th March

Is Camo Man Alleyman?
ignore the other male who is with him with the light top and light hair for the time being

Is this Claudia's rucksack

Or is this Claudia or another female with her rucksack

 

[cortina]

ive just come back from a. couple of days away and im very tired so I won't have time to look at. things in detail but if, for example, the police know that someone was walking with. her and they haven't said so or have deleted people, I can only assume there's more to this than cctv designed to jog the general publics memory...it might work but if I, for example as a casual observer, thought id seen someone who looked like claudia, id have thought....no it couldn't have been her, she was with someone.

there's always a chance id. have gone to the police, anyway, but the chances would be reduced.

so were these doctored images designed to send the message to people....we know you were there and you know we know....but, then again, the police didn't know or might not have known who they were...so how much of a frightener would they. be

 

[cortina]

I dont know how happy any of us can be with any of the cctv, but, kir, are you reasonably happy that all the cctv purporting to show claudia walking home is really all from the same afternoon

 

[Popejohn3]

I dont know how happy any of us can be with any of the cctv, but, kir, are you reasonably happy that all the cctv purporting to show claudia walking home is really all from the same afternoon

I don’t see why the police would not tell the public if it was from a different time or day