UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #10

[Deleted member 102539]

oh, thanks, fg, I hadn't realised that it wasn't certain that people were saying jk had worked that night.

being disturbed wouldn't necessarily. mean she. was dragged kicking and screaming from the house....but I take your point and police or neighbours should have noticed stains or a disturbance and still remember.

why do you say it was almost certain shed had a big argument with jk...you probably know more than I do...all I know is that she seemed to have been avoiding the nags...oh, I see, sorry....you say an argument, but you dont necessarily. mean with jk....is this correct

Definitively, I don't know more than my fellow members, but less.

 

[Officer Dibble]

As well as or instead of the hair dye being left out/staged, could it have perhaps been there to mask a smell initially?

 

[cortina]

good thought, dibble....I guess there was no way it was ever or could be determined if the dye had recently been used.

I just keep going round in circles in my. head....

 

[Vixey]

In my opinion the bus cam offers a window of opportunity for us to see the activity on Heworth Road on the night of the 18th from Costcutters all the way down to just past Claudias house providing us with a true date,times and visuals as it travels down that road. When Ray Gallaway says in the police appeal video he says hes interested in the black truck and says its parked outside her home address. he says its 'a specific line of enquiry he wants to pursue he wants to know who that vehicle might belong to if anyone has been offered that vehicle for sale has thave they been asked to clean or valet that vehicle over the last couple of weeks'.
Taking into account that all the other potentially important vehicles in this case the white van at the end of heworth road the car in front of the black truck the red car on university road with the couple seen arguing, the breaking car on Heworth road on the morn of the 19th he never posed the same questions of those vehicles being sold cleaned or valeted.
I wonder if on closer analysis of that bus cam footage somthing made him suspect that that truck might need cleaning!

He said the truck was outside Claudias address at 9.01pm he says it leaves the address at 9.37 another important time window

Claudia Lawrence search police appeal for information about dark-coloured van

Was the suv seen facing by bus cctv in two different directions ?

 

[MajorLang]

The 60 and 62 Clairol bottles had been mixed as there is brown residue at the top of both. Also one of the Jerome Russell sachets and the silver L'Oreal sachet had been torn open. All these products were available at Boots Pharmacy - I wondered if she had popped to the Boots in Heworth Village after work on the Wednesday pm.

It just seems so drastic after having paid for a professional colour only 3 weeks earlier. And a lot of effort.

Was she dying her hair because she was about to be the star in a home made film?

 

[MajorLang]

In my opinion the bus cam offers a window of opportunity for us to see the activity on Heworth Road on the night of the 18th from Costcutters all the way down to just past Claudias house providing us with a true date,times and visuals as it travels down that road. When Ray Gallaway says in the police appeal video he says hes interested in the black truck and says its parked outside her home address. he says its 'a specific line of enquiry he wants to pursue he wants to know who that vehicle might belong to if anyone has been offered that vehicle for sale has thave they been asked to clean or valet that vehicle over the last couple of weeks'.
Taking into account that all the other potentially important vehicles in this case the white van at the end of heworth road the car in front of the black truck the red car on university road with the couple seen arguing, the breaking car on Heworth road on the morn of the 19th he never posed the same questions of those vehicles being sold cleaned or valeted.
I wonder if on closer analysis of that bus cam footage somthing made him suspect that that truck might need cleaning!

He said the truck was outside Claudias address at 9.01pm he says it leaves the address at 9.37 another important time window

Claudia Lawrence search police appeal for information about dark-coloured van

NYP later announced though that they had located the owner of the black truck and it was no longer part of their investigation-Perhaps because they didn't want anymore people contacting them as they had their evidence.

 

[MajorLang]

The whole thing gets me. It looked like it may have been left out. Who does that? It's so messy and stains everything, you bin it as soon as you can. Sometimes it smells strong too.

Who was she trying to impress that just over 3 weeks after an expensive pro job she colours it again?

Or why was she changing her look?

Why do it that evening, if you need an early night for work? You have to dry your hair v thoroughly before bed or it will stain the linen. She must have been going out surely?

Why was it left out? Was she in a hurry, running late for someone? Was she disturbed and removed from her house?

Honestly, I have so many questions about that damn dye

I agree
Some say that someone was trying to suggest she dyed her hair to abscond but then why would that person leave her bank cards and passport.
If you want to make it look like someone is doing a runner you take the lot.

 

[MajorLang]

Okay having watched clip posted by @keep-it-real I'm more convinced Claudia may have managed her own hair dye session. She was very practical so I think this process would have been well within her capability. Was wondering about the whereabouts of the highlights cap too. So perhaps some 'toxic' items (used cap, gloves, possibly plastic cape) were binned outside? Funny how some items were left in the bathroom though. Was she disturbed in the middle of the process, ie hair coloured and rinsed and in a towel turban drying off? If she had finished with the towel, (& had moved on to the hair drying/STRAIGHTENING process), I would expect there to still be a damp towel with residue of dye materials in the house on the Friday.
Some bits are still not fitting together for me.

Which leads me to my next question. When were the bins collected in Heworth in March 2009?

I believe the Tuesday @Yozzer and so before she went missing. But given they didn't search Suzy Coopers bin for months after, do we know if Galloway searches Claudias.

 

[keep-it-real]

NYP later announced though that they had located the owner of the black truck and it was no longer part of their investigation-Perhaps because they didn't want anymore people contacting them as they had their evidence.

@MajorLang could you post the link to that NYP announcement please.
Ive Googled it to death and cant find any trace of it

 

[MajorLang]

@MajorLang could you post the link to that NYP announcement please.
Ive Googled it to death and cant find any trace of it

Yes I have also.
I recal last year that the mention of the Black 4x4 was on the NYP website saying as a NB that the owner had come forward and explained.
@also remember @Yozzer discussing the same subject last year and so they will have the history on this.
Of course comming forward and police withdrawing the appeal does not mean they are no longer interested in the vehicle. It may just mean that they have all the evidence they need?

 

[keep-it-real]

Yes I have also.
I recal last year that the mention of the Black 4x4 was on the NYP website saying as a NB that the owner had come forward and explained.
@also remember @Yozzer discussing the same subject last year and so they will have the history on this.
Of course comming forward and police withdrawing the appeal does not mean they are no longer interested in the vehicle. It may just mean that they have all the evidence they need?

Thanks for that
In my opinion this is where the focus of the investigation should be.

 

[MajorLang]

Thanks for that
In my opinion this is where the focus of the investigation should be.

It does look like a suspicious set of activity but of course could just be people picking up friends at Nags head?

I also wonder if it was related to the search of the other chefs home a few doors from Claudia. If you recall hair was found in his garden and his explanation was his Dad had been cutting his hair on a cold day in March. Was it Blake Berresford?
Blake was a Profesional Chef and cooked at a reasonably good quality hotel in the York area. he claims he only knew if Claudia but was not a friend or associate.
Was the activity outside of these houses just a group of Blake's friends?
There is also the suspicious activity that can be seen around the time of the breaking car.
This has been reported on here.

For me and of course only my opinion. activity at 9pm near a busy pub versus activity in the early hours of the morning-I would put more emphasis on the morning activity.

But both could be relevant.
The evening the abduction / kill.
The morning the clean up operation.

Alleyman at c19:00 in the evening and c 05:00 the next day does appear to be either scouting or drug related activity.

I still believe that the 4 were either involved or knew who was involved but were equally afraid of "The Community"

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Was she dying her hair because she was about to be the star in a home made film?

No wigs available?

 

[Yozzer]

@keep-it-real
Truck ruled out in hunt for Claudia

IMO this could be one of the examples of people who were later discovered to be lying to the police.

 

[Popejohn3]

@keep-it-real
Truck ruled out in hunt for Claudia

IMO this could be one of the examples of people who were later discovered to be lying to the police.

But no point in accusing someone of lying if you cannot take it any further and all the way to a prosecution !
I would say don’t let them know you know they are lying if you can’t make something out of it .

 

[keep-it-real]

It does look like a suspicious set of activity but of course could just be people picking up friends at Nags head?
There is also the suspicious activity that can be seen around the time of the breaking car.
This has been reported on here.

For me and of course only my opinion. activity at 9pm near a busy pub versus activity in the early hours of the morning-I would put more emphasis on the morning activity.

But both could be relevant.
The evening the abduction / kill.
The morning the clean up operation.

Alleyman at c19:00 in the evening and c 05:00 the next day does appear to be either scouting or drug related activity.

I still believe that the 4 were either involved or knew who was involved but were equally afraid of "The Community"

The most important aspect of the 18th and 19th footage clips for me is that the breaking car footage does not have a date and time stamp why is that? they would have had date and time stamps as the other cctv footage from the Limes has shown.
Could the breaking car on Heworth Rd footage actually from the morning of the 17th the morning when CL was said to have spent the night with the mystery lover and thats why the date and time stamp is misssing.
How much of a distraction did that footage clip of the breaking car said to be of the morn of the 19th distract from what we could actually confirm by the bus cam on the evening of the 18th.
When you pear it all back to the bare bones what would you beleive, what you were told or what you could confirm by what you can see with date and time stamps!

Going back to the black truck and the activity on Heworth rd on the night of the 18th, The truck is outside CL's house at 9.01, the white van parked in front of quartz travel is also seen at 9.01 by the bus cam both were highlighted in the police appeal they left the area around the same time, dont forget the vehicle parked in front of the black truck add to this the proximity of all these vehicles to the NH in my opinion we have a very organised event .
we also know that a people from Cyrpus were in the UK at the time.
In my opinion CL's disappearance was possibly because of a chain event that happened around the evening of the 18th. Wether it was planned or wether a complete t**at within that organised event without the consent of others caused her death and thats why the whole thing has panned out like it has.
Im still working on it.. but I feel we are getting close
These are my opinions and encourage evryone to do there own research

@MajorLang I agree when you say I still believe that the 4 were either involved or knew who was involved but were equally afraid of "The Community"

 

[keep-it-real]

@keep-it-real
Truck ruled out in hunt for Claudia

IMO this could be one of the examples of people who were later discovered to be lying to the police.

Exactly what I think @Yozzer...
IMO

 

[cortina]

I agree. with. the 4 and their fear of the community.

to go back to the hair dye.....sorry.....if it was moved so as to get a good photo, then why....you could just as well do it with deodorant or toothpaste if all you wanted to do was show photos of what was in the bathroom...they must have felt there was something suspicious about it

major....im intrigued by the home movie theory....is this just your idea or is it linked to something else you know

 

[ArcadeFire]

The hair dye is interesting, I never knew she used that particular hairdressers in York...

Does anyone know of any other places she went? Obviously we know the nags head, the university work, dusk bar, that Acomb pub but does anyone know any other specific places she frequented, could be anything, pubs or retail shops etc ?

 

[LuluR38]

It does look like a suspicious set of activity but of course could just be people picking up friends at Nags head?

I also wonder if it was related to the search of the other chefs home a few doors from Claudia. If you recall hair was found in his garden and his explanation was his Dad had been cutting his hair on a cold day in March. Was it Blake Berresford?
Blake was a Profesional Chef and cooked at a reasonably good quality hotel in the York area. he claims he only knew if Claudia but was not a friend or associate.
Was the activity outside of these houses just a group of Blake's friends?
There is also the suspicious activity that can be seen around the time of the breaking car.
This has been reported on here.

For me and of course only my opinion. activity at 9pm near a busy pub versus activity in the early hours of the morning-I would put more emphasis on the morning activity.

But both could be relevant.
The evening the abduction / kill.
The morning the clean up operation.

Alleyman at c19:00 in the evening and c 05:00 the next day does appear to be either scouting or drug related activity.

I still believe that the 4 were either involved or knew who was involved but were equally afraid of "The Community"

remember the little old man who said he saw people forcing Claudia into a van. I do wonder when that was ...