UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #10

[Popejohn3]

I dont know or wish to know any of the people in this case but it puzzles me that if there was hard core people doing criminal business there none of them ever seem to have been charged with any offence. Why is that!

That is a very good question!

 

[cortina]

a very good question....from what ive read on here, the nags was being watched for drugs activity...so something was being done.

I think all big cities and most towns have these kind of pubs...for the authorities, they are relatively small fry who may eventually lead to bigger targets and there are other, less noble reasons for turning a blind eye sometimes.

I dont know if its still the case, but about 20 years ago my mother knew someone whose daughter....a very impressionable 19 year old....was holed up with her boyfriend with a really nasty group of people....she was there willingly, so it wasn't a matter of removing her, but when the mother told the police what they were up to and asked the police to look into it, she was told it was a no go area

 

[Sunshine.77]

See my follow up post #564.

...I wonder if everyone has been able to access the article yet Yozzer and to have a read........ hopefully they have

 

[Sunshine.77]

REVEALED: Claudia Lawrence ‘Mystery Man’ CCTV enhanced in cold case review - The Commentator

A close up of 'enhanced' cctv - the morning after the night before Lime Court. You will prob need to view on a pc!

View attachment 258455

Surely these now updated and enhanced cctv stills of alleyman will enable those who know him to identify him without much doubt.

 

[Popejohn3]

...I wonder if everyone has been able to access the article yet Yozzer and to have a read........ hopefully they have

I hope no one here bothers to open that link
My internet provider says it links to a virus
I say don’t take the chance
Absolutely nothing new there ! You would have heard it all before if you’ve been on WS the last six months or so .

 

[Sunshine.77]

I hope no one here bothers to open that link
My internet provider says it links to a virus
I say don’t take the chance
Absolutely nothing new there ! You would have heard it all before if you’ve been on WS the last six months or so .

Oh dear....I was able to access it fine and thought it was a well written piece and, I suppose the fact that theres "nothing new there" reflects that the people involved in writing the article have long standing non changing views on who was involved in Claudia's disappearance,,despite reviewing all aspects of the case as they describe.

 

[Popejohn3]

Oh dear....I was able to access it fine and thought it was a well written piece and, I suppose the fact that theres "nothing new there" reflects that the people involved in writing the article have long standing non changing views on who was involved in Claudia's disappearance,,despite reviewing all aspects of the case as they describe.

Yes well written piece and new comers to Claudia’s case will learn a lot.
But the Casino adverts and my internet provider advicing against opening put me off that’s all

 

[curiosity2]

Wonder if there are any chefs in this group who can clarify. What is the norm for chefs whites as Claudia's were apparently missing, but surely she would have at least 2-3 sets and not just one set?

 

[keep-it-real]

a very good question....from what ive read on here, the nags was being watched for drugs activity...so something was being done.

I think all big cities and most towns have these kind of pubs...for the authorities, they are relatively small fry who may eventually lead to bigger targets and there are other, less noble reasons for turning a blind eye sometimes.

I dont know if its still the case, but about 20 years ago my mother knew someone whose daughter....a very impressionable 19 year old....was holed up with her boyfriend with a really nasty group of people....she was there willingly, so it wasn't a matter of removing her, but when the mother told the police what they were up to and asked the police to look into it, she was told it was a no go area

This is just the attitude that makes my blood boil.. If police remove the drug and criminal activity in towns and villages the Big Fry would loose their networks . A NO GO area to me suggests police criminality and where this exists it should be dealt with in the same way as any other crime.
We've seen how drugs and crime have been allowed to filter into society and become accepted as the norm devasting peoples everyday lives. The people running these criminal activities have been given status on the street so now we have a situation where you fear these criminal because of the power they have. Along the way police have lost the respect of the law abiding communities they were supposed to be protecting because they see that these criminals are being allowed to operate. Allowing these activities to catch the big fish just doesnt wash because you will always have another big fish to take over... Its a supply and demand situation take away the demand and the supplers cant operate. If you are policeforce you police your patch if you have drug or criminal activity on your patch then you identify it and remove it bringing those people to justice which in turn deters other people entering into the same crimal activities, if you dont you are not doing your job.
NO GO area should be a term used by the criminals not the police!

Just my opinion

 

[Sunshine.77]

Yes well written piece and new comers to Claudia’s case will learn a lot.
But the Casino adverts and my internet provider advicing against opening put me off that’s all

That would be a real shame if that were the case as all the effort and time the creators of the article have clearly put in wouldn't be seen by everyone, and the aim of the article which is clearly another genuine attempt to find the truth for Claudia's family would be detracted from.......yet again...

 

[keep-it-real]

That would be a real shame if that were the case as all the effort and time the creators of the article have clearly put in wouldn't be seen by everyone, and the aim of the article which is clearly another genuine attempt to find the truth for Claudia's family would be detracted from.......yet again...

Most people have virus protection on their devices..
It depends on how you have set up the settings as to wether you get a notification of warning pop up on your screen.
Just run a virus scan on it before opening it

 

[Sunshine.77]

Most people have virus protection on their devices..
It depends on how you have set up the settings as to wether you get a notification of warning pop up on your screen.
Just run a virus scan on it before opening it

Absolutely KeepitReal....this should go without saying for regular computer users especially those who have been posting on her for years

 

[Sunshine.77]

This is just the attitude that makes my blood boil.. If police remove the drug and criminal activity in towns and villages the Big Fry would loose their networks . A NO GO area to me suggests police criminality and where this exists it should be dealt with in the same way as any other crime.
We've seen how drugs and crime have been allowed to filter into society and become accepted as the norm devasting peoples everyday lives. The people running these criminal activities have been given status on the street so now we have a situation where you fear these criminal because of the power they have. Along the way police have lost the respect of the law abiding communities they were supposed to be protecting because they see that these criminals are being allowed to operate. Allowing these activities to catch the big fish just doesnt wash because you will always have another big fish to take over... Its a supply and demand situation take away the demand and the supplers cant operate. If you are policeforce you police your patch if you have drug or criminal activity on your patch then you identify it and remove it bringing those people to justice which in turn deters other people entering into the same crimal activities, if you dont you are not doing your job.
NO GO area should be a term used by the criminals not the police!

Just my opinion

Agreed KeepitReal,,,,there are some courageous tenacious Police Officers but I think they are greatly hampered by lack of funding to the force so not enough officers and also to substance misuse services....the cycle of supply and demand continues ......to the detriment of everyone apart from the dealers

 

[Yozzer]

This is just the attitude that makes my blood boil.. If police remove the drug and criminal activity in towns and villages the Big Fry would loose their networks . A NO GO area to me suggests police criminality and where this exists it should be dealt with in the same way as any other crime.
We've seen how drugs and crime have been allowed to filter into society and become accepted as the norm devasting peoples everyday lives. The people running these criminal activities have been given status on the street so now we have a situation where you fear these criminal because of the power they have. Along the way police have lost the respect of the law abiding communities they were supposed to be protecting because they see that these criminals are being allowed to operate. Allowing these activities to catch the big fish just doesnt wash because you will always have another big fish to take over... Its a supply and demand situation take away the demand and the supplers cant operate. If you are policeforce you police your patch if you have drug or criminal activity on your patch then you identify it and remove it bringing those people to justice which in turn deters other people entering into the same crimal activities, if you dont you are not doing your job.
NO GO area should be a term used by the criminals not the police!

Just my opinion

Amen to this. Anyone who doesn't agree with the above has obviously never been, or known, a victim of crime.

 

[Yozzer]

Here's the link again just in case anyone wants to review it.
REVEALED: Claudia Lawrence ‘Mystery Man’ CCTV enhanced in cold case review - The Commentator

 

[Vixey]

This is just the attitude that makes my blood boil.. If police remove the drug and criminal activity in towns and villages the Big Fry would loose their networks . A NO GO area to me suggests police criminality and where this exists it should be dealt with in the same way as any other crime.
We've seen how drugs and crime have been allowed to filter into society and become accepted as the norm devasting peoples everyday lives. The people running these criminal activities have been given status on the street so now we have a situation where you fear these criminal because of the power they have. Along the way police have lost the respect of the law abiding communities they were supposed to be protecting because they see that these criminals are being allowed to operate. Allowing these activities to catch the big fish just doesnt wash because you will always have another big fish to take over... Its a supply and demand situation take away the demand and the supplers cant operate. If you are policeforce you police your patch if you have drug or criminal activity on your patch then you identify it and remove it bringing those people to justice which in turn deters other people entering into the same crimal activities, if you dont you are not doing your job.
NO GO area should be a term used by the criminals not the police!

Just my opinion

I totally agree but some places I have physically witnessed police turn a blind eye To dealers and allow it to continue. Sad state of affairs and think over the years from having local beat officers, knowledge and trust built in community’s has changed imo. I think people in the community need to be doing there part also. Think there are some wonderful officers ,and few bad sadly x

 

[Thelastleg]

Here's the link again just in case anyone wants to review it.
REVEALED: Claudia Lawrence ‘Mystery Man’ CCTV enhanced in cold case review - The Commentator

Thank you. No adverts on either of the links.

 

[keep-it-real]

I totally agree but some places I have physically witnessed police turn a blind eye To dealers and allow it to continue. Sad state of affairs and think over the years from having local beat officers, knowledge and trust built in community’s has changed imo. I think people in the community need to be doing there part also. Think there are some wonderful officers ,and few bad sadly x

In the Express Newspaper article we heard that several of Claudia's friends told her family she was involved with an expoliceman but they didnt know his name or rank.
In the same article North Yorkshire Police said they are were of the speculation but have said there has never been any substantiated evidence that she was involved with an officer.
Martin Dales the family spokesman said “The information comes from reliable sources and we have no reason to believe it is untrue.
So my reasoning is even if they didnt have even so much as a name or nickname if several of her friends knew about him they would most likely have had conversations with CL about him or sitings of her with him.
Think about the conversations you have with your friends about a new boy/girlfriend.
In what context did the conversation arise and how did it get round to the subject of his occupation.
Perhaps theres more on file that we are privvy too.
If he was an expoliceman what were the reasons he left the force?
NYP said it was speculation that she was involved an ex officer and theyve never been able to substantiate it but I would like to hear more from the friends who knew she did and were willing to come forward to let the family know.

I have posted this link before but here it is again
Did Claudia have a secret police lover?

 

[cortina]

you'd have thought so, but. some people have said that she was excellent at compartmentalising her life.

I hate this blind eye attitude to criminals as. well, having been the victim of 2 minor but upsetting crimes.

what you also have to remember about groups like these as well as professional benefit cheats......and. no one is more sympathetic to genuine benefit claimants than I am....and well organised unauthorised overdraft cheats with banks.....know, or have people behind them who know....the rules and regulations surrounding their activities....when challenged, they are likely to tell you that you've breached paragraph 5, subsection c, clause 42 or whatever.

most of. the police are marvellous and, sadly, there aren't enough of them

 

[keep-it-real]

you'd have thought so, but. some people have said that she was excellent at compartmentalising her life.

I hate this blind eye attitude to criminals as. well, having been the victim of 2 minor but upsetting crimes.

what you also have to remember about groups like these as well as professional benefit cheats......and. no one is more sympathetic to genuine benefit claimants than I am....and well organised unauthorised overdraft cheats with banks.....know, or have people behind them who know....the rules and regulations surrounding their activities....when challenged, they are likely to tell you that you've breached paragraph 5, subsection c, clause 42 or whatever.

most of. the police are marvellous and, sadly, there aren't enough of them

The thing is @cortina you wouldnt need so many of the good ones if they got rid of the bad ones because its the criminality of the bad ones that allow the criminals to contine to operate so effectively