UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, York University, 18 March 2009 - Chef - #1

[skibaboo]

First I've heard of a horse too. So if Claudius car was off the road a while, how did she get to Malton to tend to it?

 

[Wallace]

First I've heard of a horse too. So if Claudius car was off the road a while, how did she get to Malton to tend to it?

Good [emoji117]

 

[Yozzer]

First I've heard of a horse too. So if Claudius car was off the road a while, how did she get to Malton to tend to it?

Found this: 'In her spare time, she enjoyed riding; when her own much-loved horse died last year, it was older than she was.' Perhaps her mum was reminiscing about earlier times?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/mar/28/missing-people-claudia-lawrence

 

[dotr]

Found this: 'In her spare time, she enjoyed riding; when her own much-loved horse died last year, it was older than she was.' Perhaps her mum was reminiscing about earlier times?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/mar/28/missing-people-claudia-lawrence

Thanks for the great article!
This item from the link suggests, imo, that the walk to work was dangerous in some way, is there a particular reason for that?

"Joan Lawrence also spoke and touched upon a subject that tortured both parents: their fears Claudia that had been taken on her walk to work, after their attempts to persuade her to use a car failed. "I was worried about her and offered her the money for a taxi," said Mrs Lawrence. "But she wouldn't take it. She liked walking for the exercise."

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Thanks for the great article!
This item from the link suggests, imo, that the walk to work was dangerous in some way, is there a particular reason for that?

"Joan Lawrence also spoke and touched upon a subject that tortured both parents: their fears Claudia that had been taken on her walk to work, after their attempts to persuade her to use a car failed. "I was worried about her and offered her the money for a taxi," said Mrs Lawrence. "But she wouldn't take it. She liked walking for the exercise."

I think, Claudia's way to University was 3mi (!!) and in this time of the year much too dark for her to walk alone.

"Gone", the book:
On Claudia's way to her work place (Melrosegate) there was seen a driver in a white, old, dirty, rusty van who intended to speak to a female jogger. Another witness had had the same experience, but the van had the wrong colour: burgundy, I think. The jogger had seen the white old van several times before Claudia vanished. After her disappearance she had not seen this van on Melrosegate.

 

[Robin Hood]

Walmgate Stray, a year or so after Claudia went missing this appeared in the press. I wouldn't want to be walking that path at night or early morning, I'm surprised Claudia did.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10279934

 

[pinklilies]

I think, Claudia's way to University was 3mi (!!) and in this time of the year much too dark for her to walk alone.

"Gone", the book:
On Claudia's way to her work place (Melrosegate) there was seen a driver in a white, old, dirty, rusty van who intended to speak to a female jogger. Another witness had had the same experience, but the van had the wrong colour: burgundy, I think. The jogger had seen the white old van several times before Claudia vanished. After her disappearance she had not seen this van on Melrosegate.

I have nothing new to add to this and know everything has been discussed previously but I agree with FromGermanys point about the walking to work.

I remember this well from the beginning how Claudias father offered her a lift that morning to work and how her mum offered to pay for her a taxi (I didn't know about the mums offer back then though) yet Claudia refused both offers knowing it was so dark at that time of morning in March.

I wondered at the time whether Claudia refused the offer as she knew she had a lift to work the next morning but just didn't mention it to dad as he would have maybe asked who from (I would have done)

Or she was staying at someone else's house and wouldn't need a lift, again didn't want to reveal to dad that she was and may have felt obliged to say who's if she mentioned it.

Or someone was staying at her house who would walk to work with her or wasn't staying at her house but would meet her in the morning to walk to work with her ( the couple on the bridge, he was a smoker and there was a cigarette butt in Claudias car)

If there was someone staying at Claudias house that night they may well have already been there when she was talking to her mum on the phone, quietly in the background. Claudia just didn't reveal it to mum.

As for the hair dyes, it's hard to form a theory about them without knowing whether the bottles were placed on the toilet by the police for the photo or left there by Claudia or some one else in the house. If they were placed there by Claudia then I don't feel she stayed the night in her home as she would have removed those bottles to be able to use the toilet. Just because the dishes were empty doesn't prove the hair dye had been used on hair. It could have been mixed in preparation to use, then something untoward happened or they changed their mind and it got scooped out and flushed down the toilet to make it look like she had dyed her hair.

Perhaps the dyes could mean either Claudia was colouring her own hair or someone was colouring it for her. Considering she had recently had her hair coloured professionally, it's highly unlikely she'd want to risk spoiling it with a home kit.

Or perhaps Claudia could have been colouring some one else's hair. If she was, then with it being blonde colours then perhaps it was a females hair she was colouring as when a man colours his hair, he tends to go darker. Just an opinion of mine and nothing to support that.

With Claudia being a prolific texter, the fact that these stopped around 8.30pm that night, it seems possible something out of the ordinary started to happen around that time.

I also feel due to the secretive life Claudia is alleged to have lived, then it's very possible the perpetrator could equally, be either a man or a woman. Just my opinions of course and nothing to factually support them.

I also believe the police will find who is responsible for Claudias disappearance, eventually.

 

[Yozzer]

I also feel due to the secretive life Claudia is alleged to have lived, then it's very possible the perpetrator could equally, be either a man or a woman.

Great post and I agree with all your suggestions. Do you think a woman could have dealt with the whole thing alone or would she have needed the physical strength of a male accomplice?

 

[pinklilies]

Great post and I agree with all your suggestions. Do you think a woman could have dealt with the whole thing alone or would she have needed the physical strength of a male accomplice?

I don't know if Claudia has come to harm but if she has and a woman is involved, then probably, she would have needed physical help.

Just edited to add I'd not really thought that far ahead until you asked me, my mind was just going through possibilities.

 

[ellie b]

Walmgate Stray, a year or so after Claudia went missing this appeared in the press. I wouldn't want to be walking that path at night or early morning, I'm surprised Claudia did.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10279934

I have asked before, but does anyone know if police actually searched this area when Claudia first went missing?

 

[Robin Hood]

I have asked before, but does anyone know if police actually searched this area when Claudia first went missing?

I can't see anything to say they did, maybe a local will know.

 

[skibaboo]

I can't see anything to say they did, maybe a local will know.

I wish I knew. It's bugs me, that I didn't even know Claudia was missing for a few months in 09 as I was back and forth to the hospital every day for half the year.

I would think they did, but I'm not sure. Her route to work, she wouldn't have walked the walmgate stray path, but she would have passed the end of it, even maybe walked down passed the end of it but she may have not. Personally if it was me I would have, I would have walked down past it and down to goodricke.

Excuse my rushed map. But the blue line is walmgate stray path. Red line is the route up from heworth and how I would walk to goodricke if it was me.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.9487661,-1.0564211,1093m/data=!3m1!1e3

 

[skibaboo]

Double post

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Thanks, Mrs Map! Whereabouts were the 2 morning sightings on that map? Melrosegate Bridge and cant remember the other one. Just so we can see whether the police are likely to have searched that area based on those sightings.

 

[skibaboo]

Thanks, Mrs Map! Whereabouts were the 2 morning sightings on that map? Melrosegate Bridge and cant remember the other one. Just so we can see whether the police are likely to have searched that area based on those sightings.

haha mrs map

Right about where the 'Rd' bit is, of University Rd where the red line runs through the wording. I think, and someone correct me if I'm wrong but it was at the water tower side of the road?

This is the spot

 

[pinklilies]

If I understand what you mean, there could be verbal fighting of a couple because of cheating "male" with Claudia?
Why does the description of the woman correspond exactly the look of Claudia? Or was the person merely thus shown in the film?
Why aren't then 2 cars (one of wife, one of partner) seen on the road? Why only one car with open passenger door?
I am trying to follow your thoughts. :blushing:

Im way behind I know, just catching up

In this video
http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/13170
As the video starts, if you look to the right of the woman, there is a red car parked down the side street. The back of it can be seen, or it looks it on my phone anyway..

Or, going back to the original scenario of cheating husband, then maybe the female was the driver of the car with the open door. She stopped the car and got out there to wait for Claudia walking up, the husband is the passenger and gets out the passenger side, leaving the door open as he does. He chases her over the road etc etc

 

[Robin Hood]

Im way behind I know, just catching up

In this video
http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/13170
As the video starts, if you look to the right of the woman, there is a red car parked down the side street. The back of it can be seen, or it looks it on my phone anyway..

Or, going back to the original scenario of cheating husband, then maybe the female was the driver of the car with the open door. She stopped the car and got out there to wait for Claudia walking up, the husband is the passenger and gets out the passenger side, leaving the door open as he does. He chases her over the road etc etc

I think that's a re construction video so the car seen as the video starts could be camera crew.
From Germany, it's possible the second car was the hatchback seen braking on cctv going past/slowing down at Claudia's house.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Im way behind I know, just catching up

In this video
http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/13170
As the video starts, if you look to the right of the woman, there is a red car parked down the side street. The back of it can be seen, or it looks it on my phone anyway..

Or, going back to the original scenario of cheating husband, then maybe the female was the driver of the car with the open door. She stopped the car and got out there to wait for Claudia walking up, the husband is the passenger and gets out the passenger side, leaving the door open as he does. He chases her over the road etc etc

The red car to the right parking on the other street I can see also. (First I thought this car should be the car with open passenger door.)

Your scenario means: wife waiting on Claudia, husband running after his wife to stop her plan (both of them in the burgundy car before)? Wife's outfit/hair according to the witness description looks exactly like Claudia? - I can't imagine it, sorry, IF the witness delivered the right description.

The pair (man with hoodie, woman with Claudia's look) was seen twice by different witnesses. Then your scenario doesn't seem to match better, I think.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I think that's a re construction video so the car seen as the video starts could be camera crew.
From Germany, it's possible the second car was the hatchback seen braking on cctv going past/slowing down at Claudia's house.

Wife on "inspection tour" on Heworth road and husband in his car near the University discussing with Claudia - is that your thought?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

IF Claudia in the evening of 18. had indeed ended her relationship with the special boyfriend and IF she had put his belongings in a bag in front of her back door, then this man could be the hoodie-man who had a discussion with Claudia (bridge and near Uni). In this scenario the man on video (with bag, without bag) could be perhaps the same person as the discussing hoodie-man?? Whether the timing of both actions fits or not, I don't know. I haven't precise records.

BUT: IF the man on video had been RC and the man near bridge/Uni also RC, then there isn't a "wife" playing any role.

Btw: what car was RC driving??? Type, colour?