UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, York University, 18 March 2009 - Chef - #2

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  • #861
I reckon that RC walked for 25s up Heworth Place to collect a key or something small from a person and chatted with them for a bit (18s). Later at 5am, he walked for 25s and posted the small item through their letterbox
 
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  • #862
I reckon that RC walked for 25s up Heworth Place to collect a key or something small from a person and chatted with them for a bit (18s). Later at 5am, he walked for 25s and posted the small item through their letterbox
Its a good theory but even someone like me who likes to be brief when talking to people couldnt contain themselves to 18 seconds :-) but i do like your theory regarding the key pick up and drop off
 
  • #863
Im suprised @wtiger hasnt popped back on the thread and read the lsst week's posts ( prob has!!). Always seems v knowledgable about this case imo
 
  • #864
I may be misunderstanding but if the pair are working together then why would Dark Guy feel obliged to 'avoid' him on the Junction on the Evening?

Also, Im not convinced now after looking at the street layouts that the Alley was neccessarily involved?

Could he infact have been parked on the street ? Gone to car to get something or check something? Parked there to avoid being seen in the Pub carpark? Could he infact have stayed overnight?

Ive read somewhere that lots of dna of individuals were in CL's house despite those individuals denying ever having been there at any time? Is this accurate?
@Spy Versus Spy Sorry but I thought I explained hos halting in a previous post. If Dark Guy had not halted and continued to walk he would have caught up to Light Guy. Then they would be seen as accomplices whoch of course they probably were?
 
  • #865
@Spy Versus Spy Sorry but I thought I explained hos halting in a previous post. If Dark Guy had not halted and continued to walk he would have caught up to Light Guy. Then they would be seen as accomplices whoch of course they probably were?
Yup thanks ML, got it now :)
 
  • #866
Yup thanks ML, got it now :)
So
I am going to go out there and declare my thoughts.
Please forgive me if I am wrong but I have spent 24 hours a day of the last 7 looking into this case. I am not wrong:

CL had some friends around on the night of 18th.
2 males and including her 2 females.
Like all of us we like to behave like humans but weall have desires and so something took place.

Claudia knew them all and they were friends from the Nags Head.
It is likely that some were already in a relationship but today desire overrules this.

Some have since come out and declared friendship towards her.

Something went wrong.

Claudia was probably asphyxiated (No blood loss DNA) and so the 3 left were all bonded together to resolve what was a very difficult and "Complex" situation.
They were all implicated and so are unlikely to ever individualy come out and admit anything.

They had to dispose of the body.

There was an empty property to the rear of Claudia's house.
There was a car park with cars and a shed in the Nags Head Car Park.
All were all accessible from the alleyway behind her house.

The CCTV images were of the clean up and the Perps were on CCTV.

Watching out for each other they disposed of poor Claudia and then became the grieving friends who are bonded by something they all accidentally did.

If anyone doesn't agree, please read the book "Secret History" by Donna Tarte.

Please forgive me but I am not basing my findings solely on this book.

Sometimes we love people, they are our friends and we have their backs but when it all goes "🤬🤬🤬🤬 Up" We group and protect one another.

I do hope that one day, one of the Perps will get a conscience and come forward. But until then, let's not blame the Police.

They know what happened they will have had the conversations with the Perps but they cant progress the case.

Finally, there was a female not arrested and charged as one of the 4 , I don't know why but she knows who she is and should come forward.

Happy for you all to disagree with me. Let's have a healthy debate and help the Police solve this once and for all.
 
  • #867
So
I am going to go out there and declare my thoughts.
Please forgive me if I am wrong but I have spent 24 hours a day of the last 7 looking into this case. I am not wrong:

CL had some friends around on the night of 18th.
2 males and including her 2 females.
Like all of us we like to behave like humans but weall have desires and so something took place.

Claudia knew them all and they were friends from the Nags Head.
It is likely that some were already in a relationship but today desire overrules this.

Some have since come out and declared friendship towards her.

Something went wrong.

Claudia was probably asphyxiated (No blood loss DNA) and so the 3 left were all bonded together to resolve what was a very difficult and "Complex" situation.
They were all implicated and so are unlikely to ever individualy come out and admit anything.

They had to dispose of the body.

There was an empty property to the rear of Claudia's house.
There was a car park with cars and a shed in the Nags Head Car Park.
All were all accessible from the alleyway behind her house.

The CCTV images were of the clean up and the Perps were on CCTV.

Watching out for each other they disposed of poor Claudia and then became the grieving friends who are bonded by something they all accidentally did.

If anyone doesn't agree, please read the book "Secret History" by Donna Tarte.

Please forgive me but I am not basing my findings solely on this book.

Sometimes we love people, they are our friends and we have their backs but when it all goes "🤬🤬🤬🤬 Up" We group and protect one another.

I do hope that one day, one of the Perps will get a conscience and come forward. But until then, let's not blame the Police.

They know what happened they will have had the conversations with the Perps but they cant progress the case.

Finally, there was a female not arrested and charged as one of the 4 , I don't know why but she knows who she is and should come forward.

Happy for you all to disagree with me. Let's have a healthy debate and help the Police solve this once and for all.
Interesting theory regarding plausible cause of death. Interesting theory regarding the friends group....are you inferring an act went wrong or a woman got angry?
 
  • #868
So
I am going to go out there and declare my thoughts.
Please forgive me if I am wrong but I have spent 24 hours a day of the last 7 looking into this case. I am not wrong:

CL had some friends around on the night of 18th.
2 males and including her 2 females.
Like all of us we like to behave like humans but weall have desires and so something took place.

Claudia knew them all and they were friends from the Nags Head.
It is likely that some were already in a relationship but today desire overrules this.

Some have since come out and declared friendship towards her.

Something went wrong.

Claudia was probably asphyxiated (No blood loss DNA) and so the 3 left were all bonded together to resolve what was a very difficult and "Complex" situation.
They were all implicated and so are unlikely to ever individualy come out and admit anything.

They had to dispose of the body.

There was an empty property to the rear of Claudia's house.
There was a car park with cars and a shed in the Nags Head Car Park.
All were all accessible from the alleyway behind her house.

The CCTV images were of the clean up and the Perps were on CCTV.

Watching out for each other they disposed of poor Claudia and then became the grieving friends who are bonded by something they all accidentally did.

If anyone doesn't agree, please read the book "Secret History" by Donna Tarte.

Please forgive me but I am not basing my findings solely on this book.

Sometimes we love people, they are our friends and we have their backs but when it all goes "🤬🤬🤬🤬 Up" We group and protect one another.

I do hope that one day, one of the Perps will get a conscience and come forward. But until then, let's not blame the Police.

They know what happened they will have had the conversations with the Perps but they cant progress the case.

Finally, there was a female not arrested and charged as one of the 4 , I don't know why but she knows who she is and should come forward.

Happy for you all to disagree with me. Let's have a healthy debate and help the Police solve this once and for all.
Interesting.

What were the two future perps ( esp the Dark Guy) doing on cctv at the 7pm one on the 18th, before any night of entertainment,that they then repeated ( esp DG) as perps at 5am on the 19th?

Eta Spelling corrections
 
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  • #869
Just recalling info from years ago when I looked into the family connections of the suspects who were arrested. PR's brother SR was married to a R..o..b..i..n..s..o..n. I suspect she may be sister of the arrested DR. So there's a connection between 3 of the 4 arrested.
 
  • #870
So
I am going to go out there and declare my thoughts.
Please forgive me if I am wrong but I have spent 24 hours a day of the last 7 looking into this case. I am not wrong:

CL had some friends around on the night of 18th.
2 males and including her 2 females.
Like all of us we like to behave like humans but weall have desires and so something took place.

Claudia knew them all and they were friends from the Nags Head.
It is likely that some were already in a relationship but today desire overrules this.

Some have since come out and declared friendship towards her.

Something went wrong.

Claudia was probably asphyxiated (No blood loss DNA) and so the 3 left were all bonded together to resolve what was a very difficult and "Complex" situation.
They were all implicated and so are unlikely to ever individualy come out and admit anything.

They had to dispose of the body.

There was an empty property to the rear of Claudia's house.
There was a car park with cars and a shed in the Nags Head Car Park.
All were all accessible from the alleyway behind her house.

The CCTV images were of the clean up and the Perps were on CCTV.

Watching out for each other they disposed of poor Claudia and then became the grieving friends who are bonded by something they all accidentally did.

If anyone doesn't agree, please read the book "Secret History" by Donna Tarte.

Please forgive me but I am not basing my findings solely on this book.

Sometimes we love people, they are our friends and we have their backs but when it all goes "🤬🤬🤬🤬 Up" We group and protect one another.

I do hope that one day, one of the Perps will get a conscience and come forward. But until then, let's not blame the Police.

They know what happened they will have had the conversations with the Perps but they cant progress the case.

Finally, there was a female not arrested and charged as one of the 4 , I don't know why but she knows who she is and should come forward.

Happy for you all to disagree with me. Let's have a healthy debate and help the Police solve this once and for all.
I don't agree with your theory.
How can 5 people keep a dark secret for 10 years? The police have ruled out RC so I'm sticking to my key idea. There's something fishy about the Acomb area and I'm sure she's buried under the new uni building or the roundabout near the campus.
 
  • #871
Interesting theory regarding plausible cause of death. Interesting theory regarding the friends group....are you inferring an act went wrong or a woman got angry?
Act went wrong don't know who got angry
 
  • #872
Interesting.

What were the two future perps ( esp the Dark Guy) doing on cctv at the 7pm one on the 18th, before any night of entertainment,that they then repeated ( esp DG) as perps at 5am on the 19th?

Eta Spelling corrections
I don't know
 
  • #873
Th
Just recalling info from years ago when I looked into the family connections of the suspects who were arrested. PR's brother SR was married to a R..o..b..i..n..s..o..n. I suspect she may be sister of the arrested DR. So there's a connection between 3 of the 4 arrested.
Thsnks for this will check out
 
  • #874
They keep a dark
I don't agree with your theory.
How can 5 people keep a dark secret for 10 years? The police have ruled out RC so I'm sticking to my key idea. There's something fishy about the Acomb area and I'm sure she's buried under the new uni building or the roundabout near the campus.
secret because they are all involved and so they have to
 
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  • #876
I
Just recalling info from years ago when I looked into the family connections of the suspects who were arrested. PR's brother SR was married to a R..o..b..i..n..s..o..n. I suspect she may be sister of the arrested DR. So there's a connection between 3 of the 4 arrested.
Interesting...ie family loyalty sort of thing?
 
  • #877
I reckon that RC walked for 25s up Heworth Place to collect a key or something small from a person and chatted with them for a bit (18s). Later at 5am, he walked for 25s and posted the small item through their letterbox
I've always thought it would be something like posting an item through a letterbox. If it was something small like a key, it could have been left in a hiding place for him to collect (under a flower pot or similar) and he returned it later, either to the same place or through the letter box.
 
  • #878
Major Lang. You have certainly put a lot of time and effort into your research, which I applaud you for. Your hypothesis is reasonable and you have piqued my interest in reading Secret History. While it is well within the bounds of possibility, I disagree with some aspects. I do not believe the 2 dark haired males captured walking along HR (one in each video) were involved and think NYP appealed to them to come forward as potential witnesses only. Nor do I think they are the same person as the male in the first (morning) video had a more slender build. Having read about RC, I am not convinced of his involvement either. He was a loner and by all accounts, was very wrapped up in maintaining his properties. Nevertheless, he was a well known local figure in York with a huge number of people attending his funeral so I am intrigued by the sudden nature and timing of his death but won't speculate further on this site other than to wonder if someone had put considerable pressure on him. The Acomb area does appear to have played a part, possibly as a 'safe' place to drink when wishing to avoid the prying eyes of the NH. A lot has been made of men trying to avoid their wives finding out about their extra marital behaviour. This could also apply to men with girlfriends. Perverting the course of justice could apply to those who give a false alibi (remember how Maxine Carr lied that she was with Huntley when she was actually in Hull with her mother?). What if one of the men gave another an alibi to cover up a liaison with CL so a mutual female friend would not discover the truth? The female thinks the version she has been told is 'THE TRUTH' so is outraged by suggestions that her beau has lied. She knows no better ...but does she suspect him?
 
  • #879
With the greatest respect (I hate it when people say that!!!) I think we are all doing a great job of 'interperating' what could/may/have occurred and I hope people are watching our thread. But NYP must have this handled? (One hopes!!!!). I am torn between theories..... an act gone wrong/a jealous partner/a wronged ex wife/husband/boyfriend? So perplexing. This case has really got to me, as I am same age as Claudia and I think many of us girls could identify with Claudia - she was a single care free young women. So not deserving (whatever MSM say) of disappearing like this x
 
  • #880
Major Lang. You have certainly put a lot of time and effort into your research, which I applaud you for. Your hypothesis is reasonable and you have piqued my interest in reading Secret History. While it is well within the bounds of possibility, I disagree with some aspects. I do not believe the 2 dark haired males captured walking along HR (one in each video) were involved and think NYP appealed to them to come forward as potential witnesses only. Nor do I think they are the same person as the male in the first (morning) video had a more slender build. Having read about RC, I am not convinced of his involvement either. He was a loner and by all accounts, was very wrapped up in maintaining his properties. Nevertheless, he was a well known local figure in York with a huge number of people attending his funeral so I am intrigued by the sudden nature and timing of his death but won't speculate further on this site other than to wonder if someone had put considerable pressure on him. The Acomb area does appear to have played a part, possibly as a 'safe' place to drink when wishing to avoid the prying eyes of the NH. A lot has been made of men trying to avoid their wives finding out about their extra marital behaviour. This could also apply to men with girlfriends. Perverting the course of justice could apply to those who give a false alibi (remember how Maxine Carr lied that she was with Huntley when she was actually in Hull with her mother?). What if one of the men gave another an alibi to cover up a liaison with CL so a mutual female friend would not discover the truth? The female thinks the version she has been told is 'THE TRUTH' so is outraged by suggestions that her beau has lied. She knows no better ...but does she suspect him?
I don't believe RC is Dark Man in either of the two CCTV. I believe the Dark Man to be the Perp as I still think that someone put him out there as a suitable explanation for Dark Man. Dark man is as many have said, the same person. Based upon his type off walk, stature and same speed of walk.
 
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